The Gipper Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 We just lost 2 safeties. Murray and Burris https://sports.yahoo.com/texans-agree-terms-eric-murray-002425672.html Do we still have Randall? (Maybe, but I think he is also a FA). Only other guy is Redwine. We are really hurting at that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 Free agent safeties still out there the Browns could pick up: Jimmie Ward.....49ers HaHa Dix.....Bears Rodney McCleod ....Eagles Vonn Bell.....Saints Adrian Phillips....Chargers Karl Joseph.....Raiders Sean Davis....Steelers Out of this group, could we get back better than we lost....if we sign a couple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 Ward seems logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 Lol. Or not. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28914354/49ers-re-signing-safety-jimmie-ward-3-years-source-says%3fplatform=amp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 I've always liked HaHa. But the price may be too high when we are coming up on a new Garrett contract soon. God forbid they use him for trade/money value instead of retaining him. But who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigalow80 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 Bold prediction...they will trade a 3rd round pick for Anthony Harris from MN... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Bigalow80 said: Bold prediction...they will trade a 3rd round pick for Anthony Harris from MN... Harris was just franchise tagged by MN, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigalow80 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 Exactly why they would have to trade for him..I saw that MN would be willing to let him go for a mid-round pick...Not so sure now that they traded Diggs and got some draft picks back but they are still in salary cap hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 Draft one like every other team does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, One Post said: Draft one like every other team does. One? We need like 3. In addition to that LT...and those few LBs we need. Do you expect a 5th/6th/7th rounder to start? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, Bigalow80 said: Exactly why they would have to trade for him..I saw that MN would be willing to let him go for a mid-round pick...Not so sure now that they traded Diggs and got some draft picks back but they are still in salary cap hell. Yes, I guess they just wanted to assure that they got something back for Harris instead of losing him for nothing: https://sports.yahoo.com/vikings-tagged-anthony-harris-available-104659577.html The issue there is that with the tag....comes an 11.5 million salary. OR...question: If a player is given the franchise tag.....and then the team that tags him trades him....is the team that trades for him still obligated to pay him the Franchise Tag salary? Or, are they free to negotiate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigalow80 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Yes, I guess they just wanted to assure that they got something back for Harris instead of losing him for nothing: https://sports.yahoo.com/vikings-tagged-anthony-harris-available-104659577.html The issue there is that with the tag....comes an 11.5 million salary. OR...question: If a player is given the franchise tag.....and then the team that tags him trades him....is the team that trades for him still obligated to pay him the Franchise Tag salary? Or, are they free to negotiate? The team acquiring the player is still obligated to the franchise tag salary. However, they are able to negotiate a deal with them up until the July Franchise deadline. The seahawks traded for clowney last year and were unable to negotiate a long term deal but still paid him under the franchise tender. The 49ers traded for Clark last year and were able to sign him long term. Most of the time when a team is trading for a franchise player they have already had conversations with the agent so they have a general idea of what it is going to take to sign the player long term. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 31 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Yes, I guess they just wanted to assure that they got something back for Harris instead of losing him for nothing: https://sports.yahoo.com/vikings-tagged-anthony-harris-available-104659577.html The issue there is that with the tag....comes an 11.5 million salary. OR...question: If a player is given the franchise tag.....and then the team that tags him trades him....is the team that trades for him still obligated to pay him the Franchise Tag salary? Or, are they free to negotiate? IIRC, they can renegotiate a deal, then trade him. We aren't giving up a first round pick for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 hours ago, hoorta said: IIRC, they can renegotiate a deal, then trade him. We aren't giving up a first round pick for him. Oh, hell no. It was reported that they would take a mid round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, The Gipper said: Oh, hell no. It was reported that they would take a mid round pick. We have an extra third courtesy of the Patriots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, hoorta said: We have an extra third courtesy of the Patriots. That could work....if the money also works. And while I simply hate having to worry about the money....it is a major factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 15 hours ago, MLD Woody said: LMAO.... Funniest post of the YTD... ... but I had no reactions left for the day so I owe you one... at least one... Remind me tomorrow? =========================================================== Edit: Well it's tomorrow on the East Coast, so just paid the debt... Still funny as hell... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 8 hours ago, The Gipper said: One? We need like 3. New Defense you've invented? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 8 hours ago, Bigalow80 said: Exactly why they would have to trade for him..I saw that MN would be willing to let him go for a mid-round pick...Not so sure now that they traded Diggs and got some draft picks back but they are still in salary cap hell. 7 hours ago, Bigalow80 said: The team acquiring the player is still obligated to the franchise tag salary. However, they are able to negotiate a deal with them up until the July Franchise deadline. The seahawks traded for clowney last year and were unable to negotiate a long term deal but still paid him under the franchise tender. The 49ers traded for Clark last year and were able to sign him long term. Most of the time when a team is trading for a franchise player they have already had conversations with the agent so they have a general idea of what it is going to take to sign the player long term. Upvote worthy stuff... owe you one as well. A lot of times contract length plus guaranteed money bring that annual salary down. That said... we have some big paydays just 'round the corner. Whatever we are paying our cap-master... he's going to be earning it these next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 46 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: New Defense you've invented? Starters and backups. Early onset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Redwine and Hassell... Cranial-rectumnitis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Redwine and Hassell... Cranial-rectumnitis? Yea, right....those two are really going to do it for us. Ya think? Here are the facts: if Randall leaves, we will need two NFL quality starting safeties. Not sure if Redwine qualifies at this point. He could be a sufficient backup. Hassell was third string last year, basically filling out a roster spot. But...if you believe that the Browns are in good shape with those two as our starting safeties this coming season....by all means, please expound as to why. It would be a more than pleasant surprise if you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 There you go again... I never said "starters". On the other hand you did say "starters and backups". Catching on yet? Or do I need to slow down more for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: There you go again... I never said "starters". On the other hand you did say "starters and backups". Catching on yet? Or do I need to slow down more for you? I don't care what you said. Before you even imposed yourself into this conversation I said that we need 3 safeties. We need 3 safeties (assuming we lose Randall) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Again.... I accept your surrender. Now onto something more productive... so for everyone except Gipper... Looking through the FAs left I noticed Ravens' once great CB, Jimmy Smith is still out there. At 31 he's lost a step, but at 6'2, 210 he has SS size to play in the box. OTC puts his 2020 contract potential in the $2mm - 3mm area.... so maybe $2 + incentives. Only downside is his injury history in recent years. SportsInjuryPredictor.com puts his 2020 chances of injury that requires he miss at least 2 quarters at 44%. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Again.... I accept your surrender. Just like the Greeks surrendered to the Trojans. If you were a civilization, you would be Troy or Carthage. Now onto something more productive... so for everyone except Gipper... You still never answered the question: were those two Cinci signings a big splash in your mind...or not. Looking through the FAs left I noticed Ravens' once great CB, Jimmy Smith is still out there. At 31 he's lost a step, but at 6'2, 210 he has SS size to play in the box. OTC puts his 2020 contract potential in the $2mm - 3mm area.... so maybe $2 + incentives. Only downside is his injury history in recent years. SportsInjuryPredictor.com puts his 2020 chances of injury that requires he miss at least 2 quarters at 44%. Thoughts? With his lost step...could he play safety? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Wrong thread to talk splash Gipper... And what part of "except Gipper" was unclear? I knew you'd have nothing to add. You're losing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Tour2ma said: LMAO.... Funniest post of the YTD... ... but I had no reactions left for the day so I owe you one... at least one... Remind me tomorrow? Hahaha thanks. I appreciate someone getting it (and understanding my annoyance here haha) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Tour2ma said: I’m losing it? you’re the one that’s worried about every damn word I say. Why don’t you put me back on ignore for your own mental health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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