MLD Woody Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Vambo said: At the same time you don't get to make something legal just because YOU personally like it. You don't get to make laws regulating morality like that. I'll tell you what ask Tulsi if she think it's OK for her husband to use prostitutes if she's OK with that then maybe I'll change my mind. You're banning something because you don't like it. You're forcing govt regulation, the thing you're supposed to be against. I'm for allowing individuals to have a choice. They can either partake, or they don't. I don't care. I also never said I like it. I'm not basing whether something should or shouldn't be legal based on if I like it. THAT is using emotions to govern and exactly what you and others are doing. Ironically enough those are the same people complaining about others being too emotional. There are positives to making it legal. It makes the whole business safer to get it out of the shadows. There also aren't victims here from prostitution being legal.The "home wrecking" is easy enough now. Again, even in your hypothetical with Tulsi you're not getting it. She can think it is wrong for her husband to get a prostitute and still be for getting it legalized. Are you really not comprehending the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Prostitution is a byproduct, not the cause. It's a cycle just like everything else. https://www.businessinsider.com/why-america-should-legalize-prostitution-2013-11 I personally feel it should be legalized. And if I'm in control of my body per the 14th amendment, this should be almost a non-conversation. Developed countries have not experienced some grand societal fracture upon legalizing sex work. So your fears are rather unfounded. I'm not saying it will fix all the problems behind such a line of work, but it will certainly help to curb some of the more seedy "shadow" type activities that accompany it. The minority view or opinion rarely becomes the law of the land .The laws we have are the laws that the majority of society wants to have. And laws change as society changes. I don't believe legalizing prostitution is a good thing for our society so if it ever came to a vote I would vote against it. Laws we have though today against prostitution were originally put into place because a majority of society wanted it to be law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: The minority view or opinion rarely becomes the law of the land .The laws we have are the laws that the majority of society wants to have. And laws change as society changes. I don't believe legalizing prostitution is a good thing for our society so if it ever came to a vote I would vote against it. Laws we have though today against prostitution were originally put into place because a majority of society wanted it to be law. you sure that is the hill you want to die on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, Vambo said: At the same time you don't get to make something legal just because YOU personally like it. You don't get to make laws regulating morality like that. I'll tell you what ask Tulsi if she think it's OK for her husband to use prostitutes if she's OK with that then maybe I'll change my mind. I bet she is OK with alcohol being legal but wouldn’t want her husband boozing it up. It is a matter of choice. I am sure she wants people to make that decision for themselves and not have the police deciding what two consenting adults decide to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: I bet she is OK with alcohol being legal but wouldn’t want her husband boozing it up. It is a matter of choice. I am sure she wants people to make that decision for themselves and not have the police deciding what two consenting adults decide to do. So that's a no on prostitute with her husband? Why is that? Why wouldn’t she want her husband boozing it up? Consenting adult right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 50 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: this entire post is insane You post about child porn as if someone else mentioned it first You act like this somehow "advocates" for abuse You equate this to rape, murder, etc You somehow think that legal prostitution would result in more sex trafficking the fact that OBF read your post and thought "Yeah, I agree with what he said! I'm going to like this post!" but my favorite part is in bold do you honestly fucking believe that alcoholism hasn't ruined lives and families? Are you that fucking dumb or is your head just so far up your party's ass you refuse to have coherent thoughts? My god Cal you're a fucking moron. The absolute emotional nonsense that spewed onto the screen as you typed this could only come from someone with legitimate mental issues. I know I haven't laid into you in a while as I hadn't been posting here as much but ... fuck... your post is batshit insane. That's the post that people read and go "well, I'm just putting him on ignore." It is the type of post that makes me concerned your vote counts as much as everyone else. It is the type of post that makes me wonder if you have any actual grasp on reality. What I believe Cal is saying in that post is what will happen in a society where everyone does what is right in their own eyes. I don't have to guess what will happen, I can look back into history and see what happened to societies like that. America was not founded as a Christian nation but our country has always been moored to Judea Christian roots and as we drift further and further away from these roots I have real concerns about the future of our country. https://nccs.net/blogs/articles/judeo-christian-roots-of-americas-founding-ideals-and-documents 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: you sure that is the hill you want to die on? I will stand on what I said that the laws we have in place are the laws the majority of the country want to have in place. Prohibition is but one example. The majority of the country was in favor of prohibition and we got prohibition but when the majority of the country was against prohibition it got repealed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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calfoxwc Posted February 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 hours ago, MLD Woody said: but my favorite part is in bold do you honestly fucking believe that alcoholism hasn't ruined lives and families? Are you that fucking dumb or is your head just so far up your party's ass you refuse to have coherent thoughts? ha. You ARE an ass. Go back and have somebody read my post to you. I said: "Legitimizing drinking to excess - I understand prohibition didn't work - but how many children and maybe one parent, have had their lives ruined over alcoholism? " I suppose this is another attempt to get me to respond inappropriately, so you can complain to the mods. ahahahaha. nope. My Wife and I helped out a family who suffered terribly because of alcohol and drug addiction - the father was gone for months...got divorced.. Those kids, three years later, still adore us. We ended up being "adopted grandparents". We know full well the destructive nature of families broken up by addiction. You are right back to your hateful spewing of crap at people. Stop misreading posts, you are making yourself look like a woodpecker's butt more and more. I figured the nice woody with a legitimate question about the electoral college was a setup, that I would respond unkindly. You lost again, and I won that argument. Now, out of frustration, you are going psychotic birdbrain on the forum you hate so much. Go molt somewhere and grow the heck up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said: What I believe Cal is saying in that post is what will happen in a society where everyone does what is right in their own eyes. I don't have to guess what will happen, I can look back into history and see what happened to societies like that. America was not founded as a Christian nation but our country has always been moored to Judea Christian roots and as we drift further and further away from these roots I have real concerns about the future of our country. https://nccs.net/blogs/articles/judeo-christian-roots-of-americas-founding-ideals-and-documents Yep, you nailed it - you are far more eloquent than I am. I think it's an edge on my posts because of being attacked for so long back in the day with the likes of mz the pussy and sheply, and a few others. Being conservative gets you attacked, it's getting pretty out of hand, and has ruined more and more legit discussions on issues as time has gone on. Most notably, after obaMao set the stage for ground roots, harassment, and brown shirt belligerence at any political opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 7 hours ago, tiamat63 said: I was decent enough to uncover your post because I felt that this was at least a decent conversation. Then you have to interject with that of all things!??! you said it was legal. I explained part of it that is NOT. If you can't be honest about anything, fakenuts, then go nest with woodpecker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 10 hours ago, Vambo said: At the same time you don't get to make something legal just because YOU personally like it. You don't get to make laws regulating morality like that. I'll tell you what ask Tulsi if she think it's OK for her husband to use prostitutes if she's OK with that then maybe I'll change my mind. Feeling it should be legal has nothing to do with "personally liking it". I don't like it in the least. Do you think Tulsi likes it?...keeping prostitution illegal however may have lot to do with people simply not liking it. If Tulsi's husband knows he is seeing prostitutes then the problem is not with prostitution...the problem is with Tulsi and her husband. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Vambo said: So that's a no on prostitute with her husband? Why is that? Why wouldn’t she want her husband boozing it up? Consenting adult right? Because married people care about the behavior of their loved ones but don’t want cops having to do it for them. My wife wouldn’t like if I quit brushing my teeth but I don’t think she wants the police involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 Wanting the government not involved =\= liking something. I think people with stretched ears look like idiots and wreck their ears permanently but I don’t want cops stopping you from making that decision for yourself. Any other mundane things you guys want the government using potential violence to enforce? We already have a call for banning alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 9 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said: What I believe Cal is saying in that post is what will happen in a society where everyone does what is right in their own eyes. I don't have to guess what will happen, I can look back into history and see what happened to societies like that. America was not founded as a Christian nation but our country has always been moored to Judea Christian roots and as we drift further and further away from these roots I have real concerns about the future of our country. https://nccs.net/blogs/articles/judeo-christian-roots-of-americas-founding-ideals-and-documents If you need religion to understand right from wrong then I feel bad for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 8 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said: I will stand on what I said that the laws we have in place are the laws the majority of the country want to have in place. Prohibition is but one example. The majority of the country was in favor of prohibition and we got prohibition but when the majority of the country was against prohibition it got repealed. And if I show you a poll where the majority disagree with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 6 hours ago, calfoxwc said: ha. You ARE an ass. Go back and have somebody read my post to you. I said: "Legitimizing drinking to excess - I understand prohibition didn't work - but how many children and maybe one parent, have had their lives ruined over alcoholism? " I suppose this is another attempt to get me to respond inappropriately, so you can complain to the mods. ahahahaha. nope. My Wife and I helped out a family who suffered terribly because of alcohol and drug addiction - the father was gone for months...got divorced.. Those kids, three years later, still adore us. We ended up being "adopted grandparents". We know full well the destructive nature of families broken up by addiction. You are right back to your hateful spewing of crap at people. Stop misreading posts, you are making yourself look like a woodpecker's butt more and more. I figured the nice woody with a legitimate question about the electoral college was a setup, that I would respond unkindly. You lost again, and I won that argument. Now, out of frustration, you are going psychotic birdbrain on the forum you hate so much. Go molt somewhere and grow the heck up. No sane is reading your posts in this thread and thinking "yeah, that guy won the debate." Even your post above doesn't really explain the original post of yours I quoted, which clearly comes off as talking down the negative consequences of alcoholism. I've never once complained to the mods here about anything. I'm not your buddy Mr T. No matter how much racist or homophobic nonsense you've spewed as you've trashed this board, I haven't said anything. Finally, I'm not sure what "question" I asked in the electoral college thread. I was proposing my version of the EC, and then explaining to you how mathematically someone can win the presidency now with less than a quarter of the popular vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 57 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: If you need religion to understand right from wrong then I feel bad for you The gospel is all about a relationship not a religion. Religion never saved anyone. I need a Savior and Mediator. So do you but I recognize that need and you don't. I feel bad for you when you take your last breath on earth (and I mean that sincerely). Here is the gospel The first book written in the bible is not Genesis but Job. Job knew right from wrong and he was a very righteous person as compared to the rest of the crowd in his day. Likely better than either of us. Yet when he lay dying he knew in his heart he was not prepared to meet God. He said no matter what he did he could never make himself right in God's sight because God's standards were so much higher. Job said there was no mediator to bridge that gap. One who could identify with mortal man and yet have standing with God. That need for man to have a Savior and a mediator is what the bible is all about from Genesis to Revelation. Jesus came as our Savior and Mediator as one who could identify with mortal man yet also had standing with God. He was the One who could bridge that gap.He was the One that Job knew he needed. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. There is no other way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 7:13 AM, Westside Steve said: So far if I vote D, she gets my vote. Same here, but to pull a quote from the cinematic masterpiece Over The Top, Tulsi "ain't got a prayer in Vegas". Tulsi isn't a communist, so she's not going to get support from the Bernie bros side of the Democrats, she's not super woke like Warren and her ilk, and she doesn't have a big enough pocket book to buy influence like Bloomberg or Biden. Frankly, I'm considering voting for Trump in November just to flip the Democratic Party the bird. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: And if I show you a poll where the majority disagree with you? The laws are written by our legislators and our legislators are elected officials. We don't have a king making royal decrees that are law but elected officials and the laws they make are the laws their constituents want. That is why elections have consequences and Virginia is enacting a host of new gun laws because the people in Virginia elected enough democrats to enact their gun control measures. Who knows, the next election cycle many (hopefully) of these newly elected democrats will get voted out of office and you could see a repeal of those new gun control laws. The people elect their legislators though and the legislators make the laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, MLD Woody said: If you need religion to understand right from wrong then I feel bad for you Can't you ever once participate in a thread without trying to be cute? That is not even remotely what OBF was saying. Even criminals understand right from wrong. It has been said that the demise of all great nations had 3 things in common with each other...cultural decay, social decay, and moral decay, within them issues that the government can't nor should stick their their nose into. Enter religion. Even if there really is no God, you cannot deny that if Americans lived their lives by Christianitys guiding principles that this would be a much better place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said: Same here, but to pull a quote from the cinematic masterpiece Over The Top, Tulsi "ain't got a prayer in Vegas". Tulsi isn't a communist, so she's not going to get support from the Bernie bros side of the Democrats, she's not super woke like Warren and her ilk, and she doesn't have a big enough pocket book to buy influence like Bloomberg or Biden. Frankly, I'm considering voting for Trump in November just to flip the Democratic Party the bird. You and many many others. Although it would be nice if your vote was for reasons other than just flipping off the Dems...but it's a start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Because married people care about the behavior of their loved ones but don’t want cops having to do it for them. My wife wouldn’t like if I quit brushing my teeth but I don’t think she wants the police involved. you really think you could be blackmailed about not brushing your teeth? lol I mean, come on, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 I think you guys are missing the point and still haven't really provided a reason for why it should be ILLEGAL. Saying you think it's bad, or that it could be something that leads to a divorce or blackmail doesn't really support making it illegal. It isn't the prostituting itself that's causing those issues, it's the adultery, which can happen without a prostitute. As with other arguments on here (like those against gay marriage) it's really just feelings and emotion. And, like, actually feelings and emotions... not just right wing posters replying to every poster they disagree with and yelling about feelings and emotions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Wanting the government not involved =\= liking something. I think people with stretched ears look like idiots and wreck their ears permanently but I don’t want cops stopping you from making that decision for yourself. Any other mundane things you guys want the government using potential violence to enforce? We already have a call for banning alcohol. Comrade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: I think you guys are missing the point and still haven't really provided a reason for why it should be ILLEGAL. Saying you think it's bad, or that it could be something that leads to a divorce or blackmail doesn't really support making it illegal. It isn't the prostituting itself that's causing those issues, it's the adultery, which can happen without a prostitute. As with other arguments on here (like those against gay marriage) it's really just feelings and emotion. And, like, actually feelings and emotions... not just right wing posters replying to every poster they disagree with and yelling about feelings and emotions. A. Adultery is also illegal. good grief. B. Why is prostitution illegal? Generally, prostitution is illegal because of the collateral consequences; when prostitution is legal, the evidence is clear that illegal human trafficking increases. Girls are kidnapped and basically forced into this lifestyle, even in locations which regulate and attempt to protect the industry. C. Why illegal drugs are bad? Illegal drugs aren't good for anyone, but they are particularly bad for a kid or teen whose body is still growing. Illegal drugs can damage the brain, heart, and other important organs. Cocaine, for instance, can cause a heart attack — even in a kid or teen. D. https://tfpstudentaction.org/blog/10-reasons-why-homosexual-marriage-is-harmful-and-must-be-opposed 1. It Is Not Marriage Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses. The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children. Two entirely different things cannot be considered the same thing. 1. It Is Not Marriage Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses. The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children. Two entirely different things cannot be considered the same thing. 2. It Violates Natural Law Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law. Natural law’s most elementary precept is that “good is to be done and pursued, and evil is to be avoided.” By his natural reason, man can perceive what is morally good or bad for him. Thus, he can know the end or purpose of each of his acts and how it is morally wrong to transform the means that help him accomplish an act into the act’s purpose. Any situation which institutionalizes the circumvention of the purpose of the sexual act violates natural law and the objective norm of morality. Being rooted in human nature, natural law is universal and immutable. It applies to the entire human race, equally. It commands and forbids consistently, everywhere and always. Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man. (Rom. 2:14-15) 3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent. The unfortunate situation of these children will be the norm for all children of a same-sex “marriage.” A child of a same-sex “marriage” will always be deprived of either his natural mother or father. He will necessarily be raised by one party who has no blood relationship with him. He will always be deprived of either a mother or a father role model. Same-sex “marriage” ignores a child’s best interests. 4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle In the name of the “family,” same-sex “marriage” serves to validate not only such unions but the whole homosexual lifestyle in all its bisexual and transgender variants. Civil laws are structuring principles of man's life in society. As such, they play a very important and sometimes decisive role in influencing patterns of thought and behavior. They externally shape the life of society, but also profoundly modify everyone’s perception and evaluation of forms of behavior. Legal recognition of same-sex “marriage” would necessarily obscure certain basic moral values, devalue traditional marriage, and weaken public morality. 5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right Homosexual activists argue that same-sex “marriage” is a civil rights issue similar to the struggle for racial equality in the 1960s. This is false. First of all, sexual behavior and race are essentially different realities. A man and a woman wanting to marry may be different in their characteristics: one may be black, the other white; one rich, the other poor; or one tall, the other short. None of these differences are insurmountable obstacles to marriage. The two individuals are still man and woman, and thus the requirements of nature are respected. Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature. Two individuals of the same sex, regardless of their race, wealth, stature, erudition or fame, will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility. Secondly, inherited and unchangeable racial traits cannot be compared with non-genetic and changeable behavior. There is simply no analogy between the interracial marriage of a man and a woman and the “marriage” between two individuals of the same sex. 6. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union Traditional marriage is usually so fecund that those who would frustrate its end must do violence to nature to prevent the birth of children by using contraception. It naturally tends to create families. On the contrary, same-sex “marriage” is intrinsically sterile. If the “spouses” want a child, they must circumvent nature by costly and artificial means or employ surrogates. The natural tendency of such a union is not to create families.Therefore, we cannot call a same-sex union marriage and give it the benefits of true marriage. 7. It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage One of the main reasons why the State bestows numerous benefits on marriage is that by its very nature and design, marriage provides the normal conditions for a stable, affectionate, and moral atmosphere that is beneficial to the upbringing of children—all fruit of the mutual affection of the parents. This aids in perpetuating the nation and strengthening society, an evident interest of the State. Homosexual “marriage” does not provide such conditions. Its primary purpose, objectively speaking, is the personal gratification of two individuals whose union is sterile by nature. It is not entitled, therefore, to the protection the State extends to true marriage. 8. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society By legalizing same-sex “marriage,” the State becomes its official and active promoter. The State calls on public officials to officiate at the new civil ceremony, orders public schools to teach its acceptability to children, and punishes any state employee who expresses disapproval. In the private sphere, objecting parents will see their children exposed more than ever to this new “morality,” businesses offering wedding services will be forced to provide them for same-sex unions, and rental property owners will have to agree to accept same-sex couples as tenants. In every situation where marriage affects society, the State will expect Christians and all people of good will to betray their consciences by condoning, through silence or act, an attack on the natural order and Christian morality. 9. It Is the Cutting Edge of the Sexual Revolution In the 1960s, society was pressured to accept all kinds of immoral sexual relationships between men and women. Today we are seeing a new sexual revolution where society is being asked to accept sodomy and same-sex “marriage.” If homosexual “marriage” is universally accepted as the present step in sexual “freedom,” what logical arguments can be used to stop the next steps of incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and other forms of unnatural behavior? Indeed, radical elements of certain “avant garde” subcultures are already advocating such aberrations. The railroading of same-sex “marriage” on the American people makes increasingly clear what homosexual activist Paul Varnell wrote in the Chicago Free Press:"The gay movement, whether we acknowledge it or not, is not a civil rights movement, not even a sexual liberation movement, but a moral revolution aimed at changing people's view of homosexuality." 10. It Offends God This is the most important reason. Whenever one violates the natural moral order established by God, one sins and offends God. Same-sex “marriage” does just this. Accordingly, anyone who professes to love God must be opposed to it. Marriage is not the creature of any State. Rather, it was established by God in Paradise for our first parents, Adam and Eve. As we read in the Book of Genesis: “God created man in His image; in the Divine image he created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them, saying: ‘Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it.’” (Gen. 1:28-29) The same was taught by Our Savior Jesus Christ: “From the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife.” (Mark 10:6-7). Genesis also teaches how God punished Sodom and Gomorrah for the sin of homosexuality: “The Lord rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah. He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil.” (Gen. 19:24-25) Taking a Principled not a Personal Stand In writing this statement, we have no intention to defame or disparage anyone. We are not moved by personal hatred against any individual. In intellectually opposing individuals or organizations promoting the homosexual agenda, our only intent is the defense of traditional marriage, the family, and the precious remnants of Christian civilization. As practicing Catholics, we are filled with compassion and pray for those who struggle against unrelenting and violent temptation to homosexual sin. We pray for those who fall into homosexual sin out of human weakness, that God may assist them with His grace. We are conscious of the enormous difference between these individuals who struggle with their weakness and strive to overcome it and others who transform their sin into a reason for pride and try to impose their lifestyle on society as a whole, in flagrant opposition to traditional Christian morality and natural law. However, we pray for these too. We pray also for the judges, legislators and government officials who in one way or another take steps that favor homosexuality and same-sex “marriage.” We do not judge their intentions, interior dispositions, or personal motivations. We reject and condemn any violence. We simply exercise our liberty as children of God (Rom. 8:21) and our constitutional rights to free speech and the candid, unapologetic and unashamed public display of our Catholic faith. We oppose arguments with arguments. To the arguments in favor of homosexuality and same-sex “marriage” we respond with arguments based on right reason, natural law and Divine Revelation. In a polemical statement like this, it is possible that one or another formulation may be perceived as excessive or ironic. Such is not our intention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 Hahahaha... You're doing this on purpose. You're picking these websites as "sources" on purpose just to get a rise out of me. You have to be. No one is that dumb to think a site like that constitutes a legitimate, viable source in this discussion. "10. It Offends God" Hahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 Well the good news is, you guys are on the losing end of the gay marriage debate and probably sex work in the next decade. So there's that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Well the good news is, you guys are on the losing end of the gay marriage debate and probably sex work in the next decade. So there's that. Maybe, but God is still there, and inevitably, hopefully before our society gets too damaged.... it will get reversed. Now that Pres Trump isn't putting gay socialist activists who disregard our Constitution and Bill of Rights completely in their politically advantage decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: Maybe, but God is still there, and inevitably, hopefully before our society gets too damaged.... it will get reversed. Yeaaaaah... That won't happen. I'll even be happy to place a wager that will stand throughout your lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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