LBC mike Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2020/2/11/21132919/list-of-the-cleveland-browns-free-agents Only a couple I would like to keep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Definitely don’t want to see Hunt, Randall or Shobert walk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, LBC mike said: https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2020/2/11/21132919/list-of-the-cleveland-browns-free-agents Only a couple I would like to keep. Be interesting if the Browns want to keep Schobert- he's on record he wants to stay. Tour may not agree, but I say put a second round tender on Hunt, instead of original round (3rd) costs an extra million if no one else is interested. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Unrestricted Free Agent These are players who the Browns have no roster control over, other than exclusive negotiating rights up until a few days before free agency. QB Drew Stanton WR Rashard Higgins LT Greg Robinson MLB Joe Schobert S Damarious Randall S Juston Burris S Eric Murray Let them all hit the market. Restricted Free Agent These are for players who have at least three years of accrued service in the NFL (i.e. 6 games or more on the roster or IR). The Browns can choose to place a 1st round tender, 2nd round tender, or original round tender on each player. Over the Cap estimates the 2020 tenders to be $4.667 million for the 1st round tender, $3.278 million for the 2nd round tender, and $2.144 million for original round tenders. Another team can sign a player with a tender, but they would owe that team the corresponding draft pick if the team opts not to match the offer. If these players are not tendered by the start of free agency, they revert to unrestricted free agents. RB Kareem Hunt TE Ricky Seals-Jones OT Justin McCray DE Bryan Cox Put a First Round tender on Hunt. Re-sign Jones and Cox. Justin can walk. Exclusive-Rights Free Agent The ERFA label applies to players who have less than three accrued seasons in the NFL (i.e. 6 games or more on the roster or IR). Under the ERFA rules, the Browns could offer these players a one-year, minimum salary tender for $510,000, $585,000, or $660,000 based on credited seasons (i.e. 3 games or more on the roster, but not including IR) (i.e. in the league. If the Browns make an offer to an ERFA, no other team would be able to sign the player. RB Dontrell Hilliard WR KhaDarel Hodge TE Pharaoh Brown Bring back all three 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Comeonman said: Definitely don’t want to see Hunt, Randall or Shobert walk Beat me to it- Hunt will definitely be tendered, only question is at what level, and if other teams offer him a contract- will the Browns match, or just be happy to take the draft pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 MLB Joe SchobertS Damarious Randall Let them all hit the market. So, what is it about those two where you say they can come or go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 I’d rather see what’s out there then overpaying or even getting a discount for Randall. Joe Show flashed big time in some games played pretty average in others. I believe we will now have to seriously compete with other offers. Anything crazy or Top 3 type money for that position and I let him walk. Kareem Hunt should be kept. Seals Jones is more reliable than Njoku he stays Cox is good depth piece. He should be more productive second go round than a rookie or any other FA at his level. I give Burris and Hollywood fair offers too ....all else time to move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 I'd like to see what Stefanski's mob could do with Higgins. He showed some promise until Freddie got a hold of him. I'd like to keep Hunt until he gets himself kicked out-a the league again. He was good and a real team player last year. Schobert is pretty good. He's a good pass defender for a MLB. (I'm not a fan of creating needs during the offseason) Randall is fairly good...but he's not fast. Ricky Lee Jones showed a flash or two but I bet Njoku gets new life. (Njoku's another guy that Freddie refused to use. He and Higgins could make Freddie look pretty dumb if they were to go on and have good seasons for us. I think the first rounder gets a good look by the new coaches but I fear that Higgins could be allowed to walk. - when ya threw the ball at Higgins, he usually caught it. I like guys that catch the ball) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Orion said: I'd like to see what Stefanski's mob could do with Higgins. He showed some promise until Freddie got a hold of him. I'd like to keep Hunt until he gets himself kicked out-a the league again. He was good and a real team player last year. Schobert is pretty good. He's a good pass defender for a MLB. (I'm not a fan of creating needs during the offseason) Randall is fairly good...but he's not fast. Ricky Lee Jones showed a flash or two but I bet Njoku gets new life. (Njoku's another guy that Freddie refused to use. He and Higgins could make Freddie look pretty dumb if they were to go on and have good seasons for us. I think the first rounder gets a good look by the new coaches but I fear that Higgins could be allowed to walk. - when ya threw the ball at Higgins, he usually caught it. I like guys that catch the ball) Ricky Lee Jones? Do we have a Tight End named Chuck E. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 Start fresh. Dump Hunt and OBJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 15 hours ago, hoorta said: Beat me to it- Hunt will definitely be tendered, only question is at what level, and if other teams offer him a contract- will the Browns match, or just be happy to take the draft pick? I would put a 2nd on him to help make it easy for a team to bite. I take the pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 16 hours ago, The Gipper said: MLB Joe SchobertS Damarious Randall Let them all hit the market. So, what is it about those two where you say they can come or go? I'm OK with letting them hit the market. The damage is done, they should have been re-signed last year. Now you gotta overpay for them pre-free agency compared to what you may find in free agency or the draft. Let them free, and if we don't replace them right away, or the market softens on them, we can re-sign them. I expect to be thin at both positions heading into free agency, doesn't mean we need to keep these guys at all cost. We may find MLB that Woods really wants, or a safety that can do Randall's job as good or better. Another position of need will be OLB if Woods actually uses a third linebacker, Wilks rarely did. I think Wilson is one starter, and we'll see how high these guys are on Taki Taki, not everyone was as much as our last front office. Zombo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Zombo said: The damage is done, they should have been re-signed last year. Now you gotta overpay for them Yes. Well said. But then, that's free agency....overpaying. ie, if you sell your house in a seller's market that's good....if you don't have to buy another one. If you do, then it's a wash. If the decision is that these guys are NOT worth the money, then so be it. But if we replace them with guys that are cheaper AND not as good then where is the value? Again, I do not like creating needs in the offseason. There's gotta be GOOD reasoning behind it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 We are starting to see a whole new crew from top to bottam at work, so we'll just have to learn how they handle things as far as signings, cuts, free agency, & the draft go. Here are my thoughts.... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 2/11/2020 at 3:02 PM, Zombo said: Unrestricted Free Agent These are players who the Browns have no roster control over, other than exclusive negotiating rights up until a few days before free agency. QB Drew Stanton WR Rashard Higgins LT Greg Robinson MLB Joe Schobert S Damarious Randall S Juston Burris S Eric Murray Let them all hit the market. Man.... they traded a number 33 pick in the 2nd round in Ogbah for Eric Murray and they don't even have control over him. WTF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 8:41 AM, Zombo said: I'm OK with letting them hit the market. The damage is done, they should have been re-signed last year. Now you gotta overpay for them pre-free agency compared to what you may find in free agency or the draft. Let them free, and if we don't replace them right away, or the market softens on them, we can re-sign them. I expect to be thin at both positions heading into free agency, doesn't mean we need to keep these guys at all cost. We may find MLB that Woods really wants, or a safety that can do Randall's job as good or better. Another position of need will be OLB if Woods actually uses a third linebacker, Wilks rarely did. I think Wilson is one starter, and we'll see how high these guys are on Taki Taki, not everyone was as much as our last front office. Zombo I'll agree with Orion about Schobert. If we can retain him on a reasonable contract, I'm all for it. Ticky-taki hasn't shown much, and Kirksey is always hurt. Why create another hole in a position that's already below league average? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Cut Vernon and Kirskey saving $20 million. Pay Schobert. My work here is done. Lol Edge rushers aren't fun to find, but we can't pay Vernon $15 mill. Maybe he'll restructure, but doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 9:18 AM, jiggins7919 said: Cut Vernon and Kirskey saving $20 million. Pay Schobert. My work here is done. Lol Edge rushers aren't fun to find, but we can't pay Vernon $15 mill. Maybe he'll restructure, but doubtful. Vernon and Kirksey will be gone. As will OT Hubbard, G Kush, S Burnett and CB Carrie. They all make more than they are worth. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Zombo said: Vernon and Kirksey will be gone. As will OT Hubbard, G Kush, S Burnett and CB Carrie. They all make more than they are worth. Z Well, how about that ... Carrie and Kush released today. Along with TE Demerrius Harris and LB Adarius Taylor. Z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Zombo said: Well, how about that ... Carrie and Kush released today. Along with TE Demerrius Harris and LB Adarius Taylor. Z We saw the last incomplete skinny post inside the red zone to a double covered Harris with OBJ singled up and Chubb uncovered in the flat. Although I’m not too thrilled that we lost a corner that dressed each Sunday and had the best hammies of the group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, SdBacker80 said: We saw the last incomplete skinny post inside the red zone to a double covered Harris with OBJ singled up and Chubb uncovered in the flat. Although I’m not too thrilled that we lost a corner that dressed each Sunday and had the best hammies of the group Best hammies, worst contract. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Zombo said: Well, how about that ... Carrie and Kush released today. Along with TE Demerrius Harris and LB Adarius Taylor. Z http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102223/article/browns-new-gm-cuts-cb-tj-carrie-three-others Z, I think we need a roster moves thread - and pin it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Zombo said: Best hammies, worst contract. Z But what do you do...go with another rookie back there? or sign a vet and hope he’s available 16 games? What’s the market rate for a serviceable vet CB? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, SdBacker80 said: But what do you do...go with another rookie back there? or sign a vet and hope he’s available 16 games? What’s the market rate for a serviceable vet CB? There's better vets out there that can be had for the 6 mil plus we saved on Carrie. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, Zombo said: There's better vets out there that can be had for the 6 mil plus we saved on Carrie. Z Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 42 minutes ago, Zombo said: There's better vets out there that can be had for the 6 mil plus we saved on Carrie. Z Carrie was available 32 of 32 games. Started almost half of those because guys who were preferred and some better were not available. It has historically been a tough buyers market for free agent CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 ...and so the blood letting begins. We've been through this before. Looks like our new OL coach said, "I know a couple guys you can dump". And our DC (DB coach last year) said, "Here's some DB's I don't want". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 All the players cut don’t rank in the top 20 of available free agents, more cuts coming. Hopefully the money saved can be spent on players who produce at a higher level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 12 hours ago, SdBacker80 said: Carrie was available 32 of 32 games. Started almost half of those because guys who were preferred and some better were not available. It has historically been a tough buyers market for free agent CB. His cap number this year was way too high, You gotta shed guys like this before free agency, that's just the way it is. You can pay two good players with what you save. Or one better player. Being healthy two years in a row doesn't mean you grossly overpay in hopes that he is healthy third year in a row. Zombo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 2/13/2020 at 12:26 PM, hoorta said: I'll agree with Orion about Schobert. If we can retain him on a reasonable contract, I'm all for it. Ticky-taki hasn't shown much, and Kirksey is always hurt. Why create another hole in a position that's already below league average? I was listening to NFL Radio on the way to play RB yesterday and the two most knowledgeable guys "Movin' the Chains" listed Shobert as their second best FA LB out there and that someone would reap the benefits if they signed him away from the Browns. The implication being the Browns would be crazy to not get him signed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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