Vambo Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Browns WR Odell Beckham Jr. has core surgery to repair hip and groin injury https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28530873/browns-wr-odell-beckham-jr-core-surgery-repair-hip-groin-injury 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001098238/article/odell-beckham-underwent-core-muscle-surgery That could explain his lack of production (28th) while being a top 5 paid WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 The walking wounded BROWNS which no doubt did impact their 2019 season. .......Beckham's recovery timeline figures to be similar to that of Browns running back Kareem Hunt, who underwent sports hernia surgery in training camp but was ready to play after serving an eight-game suspension. Beckham had 74 receptions, 1,035 receiving yards and four touchdowns this season playing through the injury. The Browns also said Pro Bowl receiver Jarvis Landry will not have surgery on a hip injury that slowed him during Cleveland's 6-10 season. Landry recently underwent an MRI and consulted with a specialist. He's been cleared to play in the Pro Bowl....... But cleared to play in the flag football semi-pro bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Icecube said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001098238/article/odell-beckham-underwent-core-muscle-surgery That could explain his lack of production (28th) while being a top 5 paid WR. Nick Bosa lost most of his final year at OSU to a similar injury, no? Maybe we are lucky to have gotten out of him what we did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Showing up to all of the voluntary OTAs in the spring would've gone a long way to preventing a soft tissue injury in August once he finally did get to camp and obviously out of prime football shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 I remember reading where Jaleen Strong, who had a good camp and preseason said that TC was over the top. They were in pads hitting a LOT. A REAL lot. And that it wore out player's bodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, D Bone said: Showing up to all of the voluntary OTAs in the spring would've gone a long way to preventing a soft tissue injury in August once he finally did get to camp and obviously out of prime football shape. That is wholly speculative...like saying had a player been at June OTAs that he would have avoided a knee injury in September. Pure poppycock. And I can tell you for certain that if someone is going for surgery, it is certainly NOT considered a soft tissue injury. I have dealt with soft tissue injuries in my career with some personal injury cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 36 minutes ago, The Gipper said: That is wholly speculative...like saying had a player been at June OTAs that he would have avoided a knee injury in September. Pure poppycock. And I can tell you for certain that if someone is going for surgery, it is certainly NOT considered a soft tissue injury. I have dealt with soft tissue injuries in my career with some personal injury cases. If he needed surgery on "core" that's no joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Icecube said: If he needed surgery on "core" that's no joke. I've had to rehab many times and it starts with the core! And yes you can play through some core issues if you can take the pain. I had surgery on my left pelvis in 2019 they went through the hip joint area to get to that. After the hospital stay was over it was back to rehab starting with those core exercises. That's also where your power comes from in a lot of sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: That is wholly speculative...like saying had a player been at June OTAs that he would have avoided a knee injury in September. Pure poppycock. And I can tell you for certain that if someone is going for surgery, it is certainly NOT considered a soft tissue injury. I have dealt with soft tissue injuries in my career with some personal injury cases. It is soft tissue. It's not structural or skeletal. It's soft tissue. ...... and to compare a core soft tissue injury to a knee injury is poppycock. Even for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 56 minutes ago, D Bone said: It is soft tissue. It's not structural or skeletal. It's soft tissue. ...... and to compare a core soft tissue injury to a knee injury is poppycock. Even for you. Well....every muscle in your body is soft tissue then If you tear a muscle it ain't no soft tissue injury. And I can tell you right now....from experience.....a soft tissue injury is often more painful and harder to heal from than a broken bone. Fact. The only people that argue that "soft tissue" injuries are minor is anyone who has never had one, or insurance company adjusters. That's not what you do, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 9 hours ago, The Gipper said: .......And I can tell you right now....from experience.....a soft tissue injury is often more painful and harder to heal from than a broken bone. Fact. True. You can put most bone recoveries on a time table. Some soft tissue injuries can linger forever. Same with nerve damage, been there. Nice discussing other people's injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 I hope they fixed the screws in his head while they were done there... But , I'm not holdin' my breath! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, nickers said: I hope they fixed the screws in his head while they were done there... But , I'm not holdin' my breath! In his head, or in his neck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 3 hours ago, The Gipper said: In his head, or in his neck? Dude.. I would trust Frankenstein before I ever trusted OBJ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 15 hours ago, The Gipper said: And I can tell you for certain that if someone is going for surgery, it is certainly NOT considered a soft tissue injury. I have dealt with soft tissue injuries in my career with some personal injury cases. 12 hours ago, The Gipper said: Well....every muscle in your body is soft tissue then If you tear a muscle it ain't no soft tissue injury. And I can tell you right now....from experience.....a soft tissue injury is often more painful and harder to heal from than a broken bone. Fact. The only people that argue that "soft tissue" injuries are minor is anyone who has never had one, or insurance company adjusters. That's not what you do, is it? So in your first statement you make it sound like there's no way hes going for surgery if it's a soft tissue injury essentially degrading a soft tissue injury. Then follow it up with saying how they hurt more than bone injuries and a statement about "soft tissue" injuries are not minor. Where exactly did dbone say a soft tissue injury is a minor injury? The only person that appears to even hint at soft tissue injuries being minor is yourself with the if you have surgery it's not soft tissue injury remark. Also tearing a muscle would be considered a soft tissue injury as muscles tendons and ligaments are soft tissues. Whether you chip, fracture, break, or shatter a bone it's a skeletal injury. Just have whether to sprain, strain, tear, or shred a muscle it is still an injury to a soft tissue (therefore a soft tissue injury?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 14 hours ago, D Bone said: It is soft tissue. It's not structural or skeletal. It's soft tissue. ...... and to compare a core soft tissue injury to a knee injury is poppycock. Even for you. Is a groin injury a soft tissue injury? I had a few of those and one last for over 6 months, not a joke, no way could I have played with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Icecube said: Is a groin injury a soft tissue injury? I had a few of those and one last for over 6 months, not a joke, no way could I have played with it. I had a groin pull in high school from training and running steps and it was a real bitch! Took forever before it went away. Remember too you can have different degrees and tears of muscles.....no fun. Pulled an arch once too not as bad as the groin pull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Icecube said: Is a groin injury a soft tissue injury? I had a few of those and one last for over 6 months, not a joke, no way could I have played with it. Yes. Many non contact soft tissue injuries in professional athletes are attributed to lack of specific sport conditioning...... ever hear of a player holding out for more money, missing all of camp, signing the week before opening day and then missing significant time with a pulled hamstring or groin? I sure have. I don't like OBJ. Never have. Probably never will - even if he wears Brown and Orange...... I don't have Brown and Orange blinders like a vast majority of people on this forum do. All I'm saying is maybe if his Highness would've shown up to all team activities, then maybe he would've avoided a non contact, soft tissue injury resulting in a season of lack luster play, ultimately hurting the other 52 dudes on the field. He'll never wear a C on his chest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecube Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 47 minutes ago, D Bone said: Yes. Many non contact soft tissue injuries in professional athletes are attributed to lack of specific sport conditioning...... ever hear of a player holding out for more money, missing all of camp, signing the week before opening day and then missing significant time with a pulled hamstring or groin? I sure have. I don't like OBJ. Never have. Probably never will - even if he wears Brown and Orange...... I don't have Brown and Orange blinders like a vast majority of people on this forum do. All I'm saying is maybe if his Highness would've shown up to all team activities, then maybe he would've avoided a non contact, soft tissue injury resulting in a season of lack luster play, ultimately hurting the other 52 dudes on the field. He'll never wear a C on his chest. I don't disagree with anything you said. I actually think Browns would be better off without him. Enough already. Last I checked, one hand catches in pre-game don't win games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 59 minutes ago, D Bone said: Yes. Many non contact soft tissue injuries in professional athletes are attributed to lack of specific sport conditioning...... ever hear of a player holding out for more money, missing all of camp, signing the week before opening day and then missing significant time with a pulled hamstring or groin? I sure have. Football game shape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Icecube said: I don't disagree with anything you said. I actually think Browns would be better off without him. Enough already. Last I checked, one hand catches in pre-game don't win games. Right on! One handed catches and hot dogging during pre game isn’t needed, especially when your dropping passes and not winning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 All I'm saying is maybe if his Highness would've shown up to all team activities, then maybe he would've avoided a non contact, soft tissue injury resulting in a season of lack luster play, ultimately hurting the other 52 dudes on the field. Or...probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 14 hours ago, D Bone said: ... ever hear of a player holding out for more money, missing all of camp, signing the week before opening day and then missing significant time with a pulled hamstring or groin? I sure have. I've also heard of players pulling muscles in OTAs... in camp... in season.... even in the postseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: I've also heard of players pulling muscles in OTAs... in camp... in season.... even in the postseason. Well duh. Ask any heath care professional with a Doctorate degree or higher, and every single one of them will tell you the percentages of non contact injury decreases with increased flexibility combined with sport specific strength, but it's never eliminated. Obviously non contact soft tissue injuries happen to even the most fit athletes in the world and many times for no apparent reason, but to argue that a professional athlete that misses significant training time, under the most advanced supervision that money can buy is simply raising his or her's odds of injury, is just a Gipper like thing to do...... Up? no down. Black? no white. Round? no square. etc... etc...fucking etc.... Fuck it!! Fire all of the trainers, cut out the flexibility portion of practices and everyone just do what you think is best on your own time..... Yea, Super Bowl 241 here we come!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 I was expecting a response... but got more than I bargained for... Here's my point... Athletes have worked with trainers for years thru college and the Pros, and while not all were likely "the most advanced" through it all the athletes have to have learned what has worked best for them. From this point it's a matter of dedicated adherence to that recipe. Today's athletes train year around. Most with trainers of their own choosing in groups of their own choosing. If they choose to continue to do this rather than attend OTAs, I seriously doubt they are any more prone to "soft tissue injuries". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 56 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: I was expecting a response... but got more than I bargained for... Here's my point... Athletes have worked with trainers for years thru college and the Pros, and while not all were likely "the most advanced" through it all the athletes have to have learned what has worked best for them. From this point it's a matter of dedicated adherence to that recipe. Today's athletes train year around. Most with trainers of their own choosing in groups of their own choosing. If they choose to continue to do this rather than attend OTAs, I seriously doubt they are any more prone to "soft tissue injuries". You should know me better than that... 😉 I'm sure Odell did train on his own, but based on his lack of effort in attending critical - and I do mean critical team building activities, I have serious doubts on the effort he put out when no one was looking. Again, I simply don't like the dude and I think he's nothing more than a distraction for a team that can't get out of its own way. If he goes out and tears it up this season, I'll be happy with each and every TD catch..... but I still won't like the man under the orange helmet. Hopefully he heals up quickly, puts in the work on rehab and shows up to every possible team activity, because if last year's activities were "critical" to building a winning team, then this year they're absolutely dire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 For the record I, too, hope every player attends every team activity that they are eligible to attend... ... but if OBJ and/or others don't, then I don't think it's the end of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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