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This must have gotten by us, but I believe this list was announced on January 2d.    Here are the Finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Class of 2020:

The full list of finalists include:

Steve Atwater, S – 1989-1998 Denver Broncos, 1999 New York Jets (Times as a Finalist: 3)

Tony Boselli, T – 1995-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2002 Houston Texans (injured reserve) (Times as a Finalist: 4 – 2016-2020)

Isaac Bruce, WR – 1994-2007 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 2008-09 San Francisco 49ers (Times as a Finalist: 4)

LeRoy Butler, S – 1990-2001 Green Bay Packers (Times as a Finalist: 1)

Alan Faneca, G – 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets, 2010 Arizona Cardinals(Times as a Finalist: 4)

Torry Holt, WR – 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars (Times as a Finalist: 1)

Steve Hutchinson, G – 2001-05 Seattle Seahawks, 2006-2011 Minnesota Vikings, 2012Tennessee Titans (Times as a Finalist: 3)

Edgerrin James, RB – 1999-2005 Indianapolis Colts, 2006-08 Arizona Cardinals, 2009 Seattle Seahawks (Times as a Finalist: 4)

John Lynch, FS – 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos (Times as a Finalist: 7)

Sam Mills, LB – 1986-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-97 Carolina Panthers (Times as a Finalist: 1)

Troy Polamalu*, S – 2003-2014 Pittsburgh Steelers (Times as a Finalist: 1)

Richard Seymour, DE/DT – 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders (Times as a Finalist: 1)

Zach Thomas, LB – 1996-2007 Miami Dolphins, 2008 Dallas Cowboys (Times as a Finalist: 1)

Reggie Wayne, WR* – 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts (Times as a Finalist: 1)

Bryant Young, DT – 1994-2007 San Francisco 49ers (Times as a Finalist: 1)

*First year of eligibility

These, I believe are just the  current players.  There also would be a separate list from the Senior Committee, plus the Coaches/Contributors list

I think that like maybe 5 guys from this list will be named.   Who are your 5? 

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Either or both Atwater and Lynch,  Reggie Wayne and Alan Faneca.

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In addition to the regular HOF  process,  the PFHOF is also doing a "Centenniel Class" of 15 people that they are going to induct into the Hall of Fame. 

At least one of those names has been announced.  A semi-surprise:

Bill Cowher.       

Now a member of the PFHOF

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001095936/article/bill-cowher-inducted-into-pro-football-hall-of-fame

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My own view:

john Lynch

Isaac Bruce

Tony Boselli

Steve Hutchinson

Edge James

Alan Faneca. 

But note:  None of the Finalists spent any time with the Browns.   Clay Matthews did not make the cut to the Finalists.

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The following are the Coaches that are under consideration for the Centennial Class.  While Cowher has been announced he may not be the only one.

COACHES (8 FINALISTS) - Coaches who last coached more than five seasons ago

Don Coryell - 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers

Bill Cowher - 1992-2006 Pittsburgh Steelers.....already announced as selected. 

Tom Flores - 1979-1987 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-94 Seattle Seahawks

Mike Holmgren - 1992-98 Green Bay Packers, 1999-2008 Seattle Seahawks

Jimmy Johnson - 1989-1993 Dallas Cowboys, 1996-99 Miami Dolphins

Buddy Parker - 1949 Chicago Cardinals, 1951-56 Detroit Lions, 1957-1964 Pittsburgh Steelers

Dan Reeves - 1981-1992 Denver Broncos, 1993-96 New York Giants, 1997-2003 Atlanta Falcons

Dick Vermeil - 1976-1982 Philadelphia Eagles, 1997-99 St. Louis Rams, 2001-05 Kansas City Chiefs

Besides Cowher, who else should make it?  If any

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The NFL HOF President and CEO came on CBS live in the pregame and told Bill Cowher he was in.

His wife and daughter were there, quite a moving moment.

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The following are the list of Contributors that are the Finalists for the Centennial HOF class:

CONTRIBUTORS (10 FINALISTS) - An individual other than a player or coach

Bud Adams, Owner - 1960-2013 Houston Oilers/Tennessee Oilers/Titans

Ralph Hay, Owner - 1918-1922 Canton Bulldogs

Frank "Bucko" Kilroy, Scout/General Manager/Executive - 1960-61 Philadelphia Eagles, 1962-64 Washington

Redskins, 1965-1970 Dallas Cowboys, 1971-2006 New England Patriots

Art McNally, Official/Administrator - 1959-2015 National Football League

Art Modell, Owner - 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2011 Baltimore Ravens

Clint Murchison, Founder/Owner - 1960-1983 Dallas Cowboys

Steve Sabol, Administrator/President - 1964-2012 NFL Films

Seymour Siwoff, Owner/President - 1952-2019 Elias Sports Bureau

Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner - 1989-2006 National Football League

George Young, Contributor/General Manager - 1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League

Who do you think? 

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Here are the Senior players nominated.   Anyone whose career ended more than 25 years ago

SENIORS (20 FINALISTS) - A player who last played more than 25 seasons ago

Cliff Branch, WR - 1972-1985 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders

Harold Carmichael, WR - 1971-1983 Philadelphia Eagles, 1984 Dallas Cowboys

Jim Covert, T - 1983-1990 Chicago Bears

Roger Craig, RB - 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings

Bobby Dillon, S - 1952-59 Green Bay Packers

LaVern Dilweg, E - 1926 Milwaukee Badgers, 1927-1934 Green Bay Packers

Ox Emerson, G/LB/C - 1931-37 Portsmouth Spartans/Detroit Lions, 1938 Brooklyn Dodgers

Randy Gradishar, LB - 1974-1983 Denver Broncos

Cliff Harris, S - 1970-79 Dallas Cowboys

Winston Hill, T - 1963-1976 New York Jets, 1977 Los Angeles Rams

Cecil Isbell, TB/DB/HB - 1938-1942 Green Bay Packers

Alex Karras, DT - 1958-1962, 1964-1970 Detroit Lions

Verne Lewellen, HB - 1924-27, 1928-1932 Green Bay Packers, 1927 New York Yankees

Tommy Nobis, LB - 1966-1976 Atlanta Falcons

Drew Pearson, WR - 1973-1983 Dallas Cowboys

Donnie Shell, S - 1974-1987 Pittsburgh Steelers

Duke Slater, T - 1922 Milwaukee Badgers, 1922-25 Rock Island Independents, 1926-1931 Chicago Cardinals

Mac Speedie, E - 1946-1952 Cleveland Browns [AAFC/NFL]

Ed Sprinkle, DE/LB/E - 1944-1955 Chicago Bears

Al Wistert, OT/DT/G - 1943 Phil-Pitt, 1944-1951 Philadelphia Eagles

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OK,   so apparently  the 20 members of the Centennial Class will include the 5 Modern Players to be inducted from the list in the  OP above.

So, in essence, the "special class"  is only 15 people.    This is good in this sense:   it reduces the chances that fucking Art Modell would be selected.  Why they keep bringing his name up in this process, I don't know. 

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9 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

The NFL HOF President and CEO came on CBS live in the pregame and told Bill Cowher he was in.

His wife and daughter were there, quite a moving moment.

Props to CBS on that moment..that was a very cool way of doing it right.. Congrats Coach Cowher & the thanks to Marty gave me those old day chills..Well Done all around 👍     

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3 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

Props to CBS on that moment..that was a very cool way of doing it right.. Congrats Coach Cowher & the thanks to Marty gave me those old day chills..Well Done all around 👍     

I guess we should ask:  why isn't Marty on that list?   Every other one of the Top Ten winningest coaches are in the HOF or are on that list, except Belichick and Reid, who are still active and not eligible:

 

 
 
Rk Coach Yrs Yr-Yr G W L T W-L% G > .500 Yr plyf G plyf W plyf L plyf W-L% AvRk BstRk Chmp SBwl Conf
1 Don Shula+ 33 1963-1995 490 328 156 6 .677 172 19 36 19 17 .528 1.8 1 2 2 6
2 George Halas+ 40 1920-1967 497 318 148 31 .682 170 8 9 6 3 .667 2.7 1 6 0 0
3 Bill Belichick 25 1991-2019 400 273 127 0 .683 146 18 43 31 12 .721 1.6 1 6 6 9
4 Tom Landry+ 29 1960-1988 418 250 162 6 .607 88 18 36 20 16 .556 2.4 1 2 2 5
5 Curly Lambeau+ 33 1921-1953 380 226 132 22 .631 94 5 5 3 2 .600 3.2 1 6 0 0
6 Paul Brown+ 25 1946-1975 326 213 104 9 .672 109 15 17 9 8 .529 2.0 1 7 0 0
7 Andy Reid 21 1999-2019 336 207 128 1 .618 79 14 26 12 14 .462 2.0 1 0 0 1
8 Marty Schottenheimer 21 1984-2006 327 200 126 1 .613 74 13 18 5 13 .278 2.0 1 0 0 0
9

Chuck Noll+

9 Chuck Noll+ 23 1969-1991 342 193 148 1 .566 45 12 24 16 8 .667 2.1 1 4 4 4
10 Dan Reeves 23 1981-2003 357 190 165 2 .535 25 9
23 1969
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That's a very fair question Gip...and I had forgotten Marty coached just has many games as the great Paul Brown..but Marty's playoff percentage may have a lot to do with it though?

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28 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

That's a very fair question Gip...and I had forgotten Marty coached just has many games as the great Paul Brown..but Marty's playoff percentage may have a lot to do with it though?

Remember too a lot of the old-timers only had 12 or 14 game seasons and where measured fewer playoff games.

And Halas had 31 ties? Wow different era of football.

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2 hours ago, mjp28 said:

The NFL HOF President and CEO came on CBS live in the pregame and told Bill Cowher he was in.

His wife and daughter were there, quite a moving moment.

VIDEO:

 

 

Even though he is a Steeler, you still got to tip you cap to the guy. Well done, Coach.

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7 hours ago, mjp28 said:

The NFL HOF President and CEO came on CBS live in the pregame and told Bill Cowher he was in.

His wife and daughter were there, quite a moving moment.

Fuck him... He doesn't deserve it..

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23 hours ago, The Gipper said:

The following are the Coaches that are under consideration for the Centennial Class.  While Cowher has been announced he may not be the only one.

COACHES (8 FINALISTS) - Coaches who last coached more than five seasons ago

Don Coryell - 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers

Bill Cowher - 1992-2006 Pittsburgh Steelers.....already announced as selected. 

Tom Flores - 1979-1987 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-94 Seattle Seahawks

Mike Holmgren - 1992-98 Green Bay Packers, 1999-2008 Seattle Seahawks

Jimmy Johnson - 1989-1993 Dallas Cowboys, 1996-99 Miami Dolphins

Buddy Parker - 1949 Chicago Cardinals, 1951-56 Detroit Lions, 1957-1964 Pittsburgh Steelers

Dan Reeves - 1981-1992 Denver Broncos, 1993-96 New York Giants, 1997-2003 Atlanta Falcons

Dick Vermeil - 1976-1982 Philadelphia Eagles, 1997-99 St. Louis Rams, 2001-05 Kansas City Chiefs

Besides Cowher, who else should make it?  If any

Jimmy Johnson just named to the HOF.    Did he and Cowher really deserve it over  Coryell, Flores, Holmgren, Parker, Reeves, Vermeil?

Or did those two get it because they are personalities  on the Gameday shows on CBS and Fox respectively.  Seems like that, a bit.

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28 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Jimmy Johnson just named to the HOF.    Did he and Cowher really deserve it over  Coryell, Flores, Holmgren, Parker, Reeves, Vermeil?

Or did those two get it because they are personalities  on the Gameday shows on CBS and Fox respectively.  Seems like that, a bit.

Just saw it live on FOX at halftime.  Jimmy was very moved and choked up he did mention his former assistant coaches and players he could barely talk.

But still you hope that the on air exposure wasn't any kind of a factor getting into the NFL HOF.

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3 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

Just saw it live on FOX at halftime.  Jimmy was very moved and choked up he did mention his former assistant coaches and players he could barely talk.

But still you hope that the on air exposure was any kind of a factor getting into the NFL HOF.

I assume you meant to put a NOT in there somewhere.

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18 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

I assume you meant to put a NOT in there somewhere.

Yeah it does sound better that way.

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20 hours ago, nickers said:

Fuck him... He doesn't deserve it..

I tend to agree. He lost several AFC Title games in his own stadium.

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On ‎1‎/‎12‎/‎2020 at 8:20 PM, The Gipper said:

Jimmy Johnson just named to the HOF.    Did he and Cowher really deserve it over  Coryell, Flores, Holmgren, Parker, Reeves, Vermeil?

Or did those two get it because they are personalities  on the Gameday shows on CBS and Fox respectively.  Seems like that, a bit.

Cowher probably. But Johnson???

Most of the coaches you  listed including Johnson didn't even make this list. But Marty did.

Cowher won a lot. Won the division 8 out the 15 yrs he coached.

A tad better resume than HOF'er Tony Dungy. So yeah he deserves it if Dungy does.

17. Bill Cowher

Pittsburgh 1992-2006

149-90-1 (15 years), 12-9 in playoffs

8 division titles

2 Super Bowl appearances (XXX, XL)

Super Bowl XL champion

15. Tony Dungy

Tampa Bay 1996-2001; Indianapolis 2002-08

139-69 (13 years), 9-10 in playoffs

6 division titles

Super Bowl XLI champion

Pro Football Hall of Fame, Class of 2016

Apparently the criteria for Marty making this list has nothing to do with Super Bowls or playoff wins.

21. Marty Schottenheimer

Cleveland 1984-88; Kansas City 1989-98; Washington 2001; San Diego 2002-06

200-126-1 (21 years), 5-13 in playoffs

8 division titles

Schottenheimer coached four different teams and had only two losing seasons. That tells you how good he was.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-head-coaches-nfl-history

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Shottenheimer was a great regular season head coach.

Awful in the playoffs. Not middling, not mediocre, but awful.

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12 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

Shottenheimer was a great regular season head coach.

Awful in the playoffs. Not middling, not mediocre, but awful.

To be nice he just wasn't "opportunistic".    :lol:

No trophies will be named after him.

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Tom Flores should’ve been in before Cowher. He won 2 Super Bowls 

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12 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

To be nice he just wasn't "opportunistic".    :lol:

No trophies will be named after him.

Great guy too. Hard not to like Marty. 

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3 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

Great guy too. Hard not to like Marty. 

Marty's problem was he never learned from his mistakes.. He was a professional circle jerk as far as coaching goes

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On 1/13/2020 at 10:23 PM, Dutch Oven said:

Great guy too. Hard not to like Marty. 

Same with Marv Levy, great coaches, great guys -but- didn't get the big one.

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2 hours ago, Gorka said:

Cowher probably. But Johnson???

Most of the coaches you  listed including Johnson didn't even make this list. But Marty did.

Cowher won a lot. Won the division 8 out the 15 yrs he coached.

A tad better resume than HOF'er Tony Dungy. So yeah he deserves it if Dungy does.

17. Bill Cowher

Pittsburgh 1992-2006

149-90-1 (15 years), 12-9 in playoffs

8 division titles

2 Super Bowl appearances (XXX, XL)

Super Bowl XL champion

15. Tony Dungy

Tampa Bay 1996-2001; Indianapolis 2002-08

139-69 (13 years), 9-10 in playoffs

6 division titles

Super Bowl XLI champion

Pro Football Hall of Fame, Class of 2016

Apparently the criteria for Marty making this list has nothing to do with Super Bowls or playoff wins.

21. Marty Schottenheimer

Cleveland 1984-88; Kansas City 1989-98; Washington 2001; San Diego 2002-06

200-126-1 (21 years), 5-13 in playoffs

8 division titles

Schottenheimer coached four different teams and had only two losing seasons. That tells you how good he was.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-head-coaches-nfl-history

OK...well, these lists are subjective. 

Dan Reeves went to the SB  4 times with 2 different teams, and lost them all.   Would one win have made a difference?   It didn't for Marv Levy and Bud Grant.....each 4 time SB losers.......but inducted. 

Flores?   With the Rooney rule discussion, maybe we should say that the HOF should have their own Rooney Rule...His background is Hispanic/Native American.    If they have Dungy in there for just one SB win, why not Flores with 2?

Marty had more wins and a better win pct. than Cowher....in the regular season.   So, obviously winning in the Postseason is a substantial requirement for induction......as Marty and Reeves are not in, even with substantially better regular season records. 

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On 1/12/2020 at 9:06 PM, Bob806 said:

I tend to agree. He lost several AFC Title games in his own stadium.

Marty?    Browns 1986, yes.  What others?  

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