Mac Speedie enters HOF, Modell OUT

[Bob806]

13 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Marty?    Browns 1986, yes.  What others?  

No Gipper, I was writing about Bill Cowher in a response to Nickers. 

Cowher was 2-4 in AFC Title games, losing all 4 in his own stadium. 

Was Cowher a great coach? The answer would be yes. He certainly was a great motivator for his players.

Is he a Hall of Fame coach? Well, now he is but I say NO. 

[The Gipper]

1 hour ago, Bob806 said:

No Gipper, I was writing about Bill Cowher in a response to Nickers. 

Cowher was 2-4 in AFC Title games, losing all 4 in his own stadium. 

Was Cowher a great coach? The answer would be yes. He certainly was a great motivator for his players.

Is he a Hall of Fame coach? Well, now he is but I say NO. 

OK, but saying no is superfluous.   But I think perhaps the analysis is:   If Cowher is someone that belongs in the HOF, then so do X,Y, Z who are not yet in.   I sort of did that above, with Flores, Reeves, Marty, others.  Chuck Knox 

[Bob806]

17 hours ago, The Gipper said:

OK, but saying no is superfluous.   But I think perhaps the analysis is:   If Cowher is someone that belongs in the HOF, then so do X,Y, Z who are not yet in.   I sort of did that above, with Flores, Reeves, Marty, others.  Chuck Knox 

I see. Well little folks like the fans will never have a say-so.

Admitting I have some anger issues, jealousy issues with Pittsburgh and Denver, if you compare apples-to-apples, it's pretty obvious Reeves had a far better coaching career. 

There's a definite Steelers bias with the HOF. Lots of great NFL players played in Pittsburgh, but they are over represented as a whole in Canton IMHO. I use Kevin Greene and Lynn Swan as examples. 

Denver....who's in? Off the top of my head it's Elway, Floyd Little, & Terrell Davis. Where's Randy Gradishar, Rick Upchurch, Steve Atwater, Carl Mecklenburg?They've had similar success as a franchise as Pittsburgh over about the same time frame (1970-present). It's plain wrong.

[Zombo]

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-legend-mac-speedie-selected-for-pro-football-hall-of-fame-s-centennial-cl

[Zombo]

Modell didnt make it, pop the champagne.

Z

[Vagitron]

Not listing Polamalu is only showing the bias of some of you. He's going in and if he doesn't it will be because he doesnt care about accolades and the hall has an ego to floss. 

[calfoxwc]

2 minutes ago, Vagitron said:

Not listing Polamalu is only showing the bias of some of you. He's going in and if he doesn't it will be because he doesnt care about accolades and the hall has an ego to floss. 

if he doesn't, it's because he is a girly-man who was a cheap shot artist even before the NFL.....

[The Gipper]

The rest of the list was revealed this morning.  Here are the names that got in:

Jimbo Covert OT  80s Bears

Winston Hill OT Jets

Harold Carmichael  WR Eagles

Duke Slater   OT....several teams from the 20s

Ed Sprinkle  dE/LB  40s Bears

Steve Sabol  NFL Films

Alex Karras DT  Lions   "Mongo"

Bobby Dillon  S   50s Packers   (not to be confused with Bobby Dylan)

Donnie Shell DB  70s Steelers

George Young.    GM for the Colts in 60s,  Dolphins Dynasty, and Giants in 80s

Cliff Harris  S   Cowboys

Paul Tagliabue    Commish

Mac Speedie  WR   40s/50s Browns.

[mjp28]

There's a name you don't hear too often started in the defunct AAFC and with the new current NFL Browns.

Speedie will become the Browns' 17th Hall of Famer and first inducted since Gene Hickerson in 2007.

[The Gipper]

6 minutes ago, Vagitron said:

Not listing Polamalu is only showing the bias of some of you. He's going in and if he doesn't it will be because he doesnt care about accolades and the hall has an ego to floss. 

Or, maybe, like in my opinion, he is up against a couple of other  Safeties who have waited longer and who were likely better,  in John Lynch and Steve Atwater. 

But you are right....he will go in someday....maybe even this year,  whether he deserves it or not. 

[mjp28]

14 minutes ago, Zombo said:

Modell didnt make it, pop the champagne.

Z

Hard to make any HOF when on one side you had some contributions to the game -but- on the other you're a shady operator.

May he just fade away.........

[Pavo Joe]

Thank God no modell

[The Gipper]

If you were to go by  career production,  the finalist for induction this year,  (the regular class) should be in this order, per PFR's career production average:

1. Reggie Wayne  155

2.  Zach Thomas  149

3. Alan Faneca  146

4. Isaac Bruce 137

5. Edgerrin James 136

6. Sam Mills  126

7. Tori Holt  123

8. Steve Hutchinson  119

9. Bryant Young 117

10. John Lynch  115

11. Troy Polamalu  115

Of course, those just apply to the guys that are up for finalists this year.   They left off Clay Matthews, and he had a 137 CA.  As for Vag's whining about Polamalu.....there are even other Steelers that had better carees who are not on this list:  Hardy Nickerson had a 129.  Hines Ward had a better CA.   And Poly, with his paltry 115  production?   The following guys have a right to complain:   Jim Marshall  164 not in.  Ken Anderson 161 not in. 

He should/could get his Steeler representative in the form of Alan Faneca....not Polly. 

And don't forget, Donnie Shell got in with the Centennial Class

[Browns149]

23 minutes ago, Pavo Joe said:

Thank God no modell

🙏 

[The Gipper]

 

[Unsympathetic]

Modern players -- 5 is the max, I can't support anyone other than these

Atwater

Boselli

Seymour

 

[The Gipper]

They did put in 3 OTs with the Centennial Class......but not Dick Shafrath who was better than all of them likely. 

[Gunz41]

4 hours ago, Bob806 said:

I see. Well little folks like the fans will never have a say-so.

Admitting I have some anger issues, jealousy issues with Pittsburgh and Denver, if you compare apples-to-apples, it's pretty obvious Reeves had a far better coaching career. 

There's a definite Steelers bias with the HOF. Lots of great NFL players played in Pittsburgh, but they are over represented as a whole in Canton IMHO. I use Kevin Greene and Lynn Swan as examples. 

Denver....who's in? Off the top of my head it's Elway, Floyd Little, & Terrell Davis. Where's Randy Gradishar, Rick Upchurch, Steve Atwater, Carl Mecklenburg?They've had similar success as a franchise as Pittsburgh over about the same time frame (1970-present). It's plain wrong.

Shannon Sharpe

[hoorta]

On 1/11/2020 at 8:42 PM, The Gipper said:

I guess we should ask:  why isn't Marty on that list?   Every other one of the Top Ten winningest coaches are in the HOF or are on that list, except Belichick and Reid, who are still active and not eligible:

 

Rk	Coach	Yrs	Yr-Yr	G	W	L	T	W-L%	G > .500	Yr plyf	G plyf	W plyf	L plyf	W-L%	AvRk	BstRk	Chmp	SBwl	Conf
1	Don Shula+	33	1963-1995	490	328	156	6	.677	172	19	36	19	17	.528	1.8	1	2	2	6
2	George Halas+	40	1920-1967	497	318	148	31	.682	170	8	9	6	3	.667	2.7	1	6	0	0
3	Bill Belichick	25	1991-2019	400	273	127	0	.683	146	18	43	31	12	.721	1.6	1	6	6	9
4	Tom Landry+	29	1960-1988	418	250	162	6	.607	88	18	36	20	16	.556	2.4	1	2	2	5
5	Curly Lambeau+	33	1921-1953	380	226	132	22	.631	94	5	5	3	2	.600	3.2	1	6	0	0
6	Paul Brown+	25	1946-1975	326	213	104	9	.672	109	15	17	9	8	.529	2.0	1	7	0	0
7	Andy Reid	21	1999-2019	336	207	128	1	.618	79	14	26	12	14	.462	2.0	1	0	0	1
8	Marty Schottenheimer	21	1984-2006	327	200	126	1	.613	74	13	18	5	13	.278	2.0	1	0	0	0
9	Chuck Noll+ 9 Chuck Noll+ 23 1969-1991 342 193 148 1 .566 45 12 24 16 8 .667 2.1 1 4 4 4 10 Dan Reeves 23 1981-2003 357 190 165 2 .535 25 9	23	1969

For the same reason 1\2 the Steel Curtain got in, and Marty and Clay Matthews aren't- the Steelers won Super Bowls, the Browns didn't. They'd both be in if they had won rings. I still feel Matthews was every bit as good as Jack Ham- who got in a long time ago. 

[DieHardBrownsFan]

On 1/12/2020 at 9:06 PM, Bob806 said:

I tend to agree. He lost several AFC Title games in his own stadium.

He got it for the publicity.