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Something that has been brought up here before in various threads.

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Haslams, please sell the Browns

Posted Jan 02, 2020
 
Jimmy and Dee Haslam, please sell the Browns! You have shown and continue to show that you are not capable of running an NFL franchise, one that myself and many other fans support with unwavering loyalty. You can’t or won’t get out of your own way. I can’t believe that you were minority owners of the Steelers and didn’t learn a darn thing. Please sell the team for the sake of the fans.
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MHO? This is their  last chance to  "get it right". 

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  1. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

The Browns should fire Jimmy Haslam

Updated Jan 08, 2020;Posted Jan 08, 2020
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The guy the Cleveland Browns should fire is team owner Jimmy Haslam. He has shown he has no clue about running a franchise. Every decision he makes quickly ends up wrong. And you’ll notice that the best coaching hires have already happened without the Browns getting any of them (“Can the Browns afford to be patient with their head coach search when the Redskins and Cowboys moved quickly?" cleveland.com, Jan. 6).

This is partly because the owner doesn’t know what he’s doing and can’t make up his mind, and partly because he has made Cleveland an undesirable place to be a coach or general manager. No one wants to be a one-and-done hire by a know-nothing owner.

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Once I started digging into Jim Haslam's business dealings I became more unsure of his ability to run an NFL franchise.

He's had enough time to try and get it right  -but- how do you get him to sell before the reluctant NFL owners have to step in and act before he totally ruins the BROWNS franchise ?

 

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33 minutes ago, hoorta said:

MHO? This is their  last chance to  "get it right". 

I wish, but that is by NO means the case.   Certainly the fans can't force him to sell.   The league certainly will not.  This is not like Modell who was about to have his franchised foreclosed on, even after being bailed out once by the Baltimore Bribe.    JH still operates in a fiscally profitable manner.  And the league does not care that he does not win.  The league always wants a few patsy teams as long as they make money.  The Bidwills have owned the Cardinals for generations.   Now that he has reduced duties at Pilot after selling,  Jimmy and Dee will be spending their time dealing with their sports franchises,  Browns, Columbus Crew.    And it seems clear that they want this team for posterity....to hand down to their kids:

They have three adult children, James Bagwell Haslam (adopted 2016), Whitney Haslam Johnson, and Cynthia Haslam Arnholt and five grandchildren.

Further evidenced by this list of their front office on their website:

 

Curious about this adoption of James....an adult? 

And notice who is the first person listed right after the family

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2 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

Once I started digging into Jim Haslam's business dealings I became more unsure of his ability to run an NFL franchise.

He's had enough time to try and get it right  -but- how do you get him to sell before the reluctant NFL owners have to step in and act before he totally ruins the BROWNS franchise ?

 

Dream on....see my post above.  As long as things are fiscally responsible that will never happen.   The only people they have ditched caused ruinous financial consequences to their team:   Kiam and Modell.    The NFL does NOT consider continual  on field losing to be a detriment to franchise operation.   50% of each game involves someone who lost that game.  So they figure, someone has to lose, why not the Browns.  

If this league does not care about franchises moving out of St. Louis, Oakland..and any number of any other cities that have had loyal fan bases for more money....why would  they give a rats ass about a fan base that the worst thing that happens to them is that they lose a lot. 

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5 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

 

Further evidenced by this list of their front office on their website:

 

Curious about this adoption of James....an adult? 

And notice who is the first person listed right after the family

Oh God l. No way to run a McDonald's burger joint much less a huge NFL professional football team.    :o

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Haslam’s “poor ownership decisions” has set this roster up full of young and talented players. 
It is now a matter of filling in the missing pieces and having a coach that knows how to win some football games. 
Baker, Chubb, Landry, OBJ, Myles, Ward, etc.

The future is bright. We’re just taking the scenic route with some detours on it..

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2 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Dream on....see my post above.  As long as things are fiscally responsible that will never happen.   The only people they have ditched caused ruinous financial consequences to their team:   Kiam and Modell.    The NFL does NOT consider continual  on field losing to be a detriment to franchise operation.   50% of each game involves someone who lost that game.  So they figure, someone has to lose, why not the Browns.  

If this league does not care about franchises moving out of St. Louis, Oakland..and any number of any other cities that have had loyal fan bases for more money....why would  they give a rats ass about a fan base that the worst thing that happens to them is that they lose a lot. 

It's just a big mess and the BROWNS team, fans and anyone else who is concerned is going to suffer from it.

No easy outs or answers.

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2 minutes ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said:

Haslam’s “poor ownership decisions” has set this roster up full of young and talented players. 
It is now a matter of filling in the missing pieces and having a coach that knows how to win some football games. 
Baker, Chubb, Landry, OBJ, Myles, Ward, etc.

The future is bright. We’re just taking the scenic route with some detours on it..

That's the ironic part they had a real shot in 2019 for a winning season -but- the ownership and management of the team is "strange".

Hopefully they can get football people to run the team and pull out before another losing season.

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1 hour ago, mjp28 said:

 how do you get him to sell before the reluctant NFL owners have to step in and act before he totally ruins the BROWNS franchise ?

1-31. Too late.

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And to think only 6 short years ago Haslam was a genius in certain eyes for picking Manziel.... 🤣

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1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

And to think only 6 short years ago Haslam was a genius in certain eyes for picking Manziel.... 🤣

GUILTY as charged Your Honor!

 

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4 hours ago, mjp28 said:
  1. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

The Browns should fire Jimmy Haslam

Updated Jan 08, 2020;Posted Jan 08, 2020
189.   284 shares 
 
 

The guy the Cleveland Browns should fire is team owner Jimmy Haslam. He has shown he has no clue about running a franchise. Every decision he makes quickly ends up wrong. And you’ll notice that the best coaching hires have already happened without the Browns getting any of them (“Can the Browns afford to be patient with their head coach search when the Redskins and Cowboys moved quickly?" cleveland.com, Jan. 6).

This is partly because the owner doesn’t know what he’s doing and can’t make up his mind, and partly because he has made Cleveland an undesirable place to be a coach or general manager. No one wants to be a one-and-done hire by a know-nothing owner.

Don Lannoch,

Solon

yip, we are fucked once again...didn't we have another coach a few yrs back with ski at the end of his last name...i don't know,,,,its all a fucking blur....think it was smazranski or something like that....he sucked also....oh well.....team is a cesspool.....i don't care what kind of roster we have....like you say....it never works out....

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3 hours ago, browns52 said:

yip, we are fucked once again...didn't we have another coach a few yrs back with ski at the end of his last name...i don't know,,,,its all a fucking blur....think it was smazranski or something like that....he sucked also....oh well.....team is a cesspool.....i don't care what kind of roster we have....like you say....it never works out....

Chudzinski is a quality coach.. He wasn't given a fair chance..

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4 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Certainly the fans can't force him to sell

They absolutely can.  But won't.

They can NOT buy tickets and NOT go to the games.   They could peacefully protest, stating sell the team Jimmy, or watch the games by yourself.  (well, actually with the opponent's fans)

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6 hours ago, hoorta said:

MHO? This is their  last chance to  "get it right". 

I know I can't wait to see what "THE PROCESS PART DEUX" does this time!

Should be another riveting Browns draft by DePodesta and Co.! 

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3 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

I know I can't wait to see what "THE PROCESS PART DEUX" does this time!

Should be another riveting Browns draft by DePodesta and Co.! 

All full of crappy SPARQ players..

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4 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

1-31. Too late.

And the other 31 multimillionaire and billionaire members would be very reluctant to take action to kick one of the owners out and sell the team but they can !

In reference to the Jerry Jones case in 2017 (no action taken)......

A league source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that multiple owners already have been discussing the possibility, which flows from Article VIII of the NFL’s Constitution & Bylaws. Specifically, Section 8.13 authorizes the Commissioner to determine that an owner “has been or is guilty of conduct detrimental to the welfare of the League or professional football.” If the Commissioner believes the available sanction (a $500,000 fine) is “not adequate or sufficient,” the Commissioner may refer the issue to the NFL’s Executive Committee, which has the power to compel “[c]ancellation or forfeiture of the franchise in the League of any member club involved or implicated,” with a directive to sell the team.

Now I'm not sure on some of the other details like stadium deals and other matters.

Hopefully this goes the simple way and soon ...... without any more 1-31 fiascos.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, browns52 said:

yip, we are fucked once again...didn't we have another coach a few yrs back with ski at the end of his last name...i don't know,,,,its all a fucking blur....think it was smazranski or something like that....he sucked also....oh well.....team is a cesspool.....i don't care what kind of roster we have....like you say....it never works out....

Yeah,  the name was Terry Robiski, interim coach. Then Chudzinski.  A couple of polocks.

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1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said:

Should be another riveting Browns draft by DePodesta and Co.! 

Depo... the guy whose role is not being expanded by Haslam... is in charge of the Draft now???

Remember folks... you read it here first.

 

Going to have to start calling you "Scoop"...

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3 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Depo... the guy whose role is not being expanded by Haslam... is in charge of the Draft now???

Remember folks... you read it here first.

 

Going to have to start calling you "Scoop"...

Tour gets so testy when his precious THE PROCESS BOYS aren't fawned over. 

When it gets blown up in 2, maybe 3 years tops, I promise not to gloat... that much. 

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22 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

Tour gets so testy when his precious THE PROCESS BOYS aren't fawned over. 

When it gets blown up in 2, maybe 3 years tops, I promise not to gloat... that much. 

Gloat as much as you like if and when.

In the meantime there's no fawning required... just quit making shit up.

I'm tired of cleaning up after you... even though you provided the Scoop to use.

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From Monday Morning Quarterback/Sports Illustrated

"Finally, on the (Cleveland Browns head coach) search itself - some of the candidates going through Berea found the place to have more red flags than Tiananmen Square. One big one was the, yes, level of involvement of DePodesta's analytics team. Both Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens were basically told to have senior analyst Dave Giuliani on headsets on gameday, over the last four years, with Giuliani serving as a sort of game management specialist. What alarmed candidates was the Giuliani, who worked with Chip Kelly in Philly, would not be reporting to the head coach. He'd be reporting to DePodesta directly. Another was that the head coach would have twice-weekly meetings with ownership and analytics people. In the past, the Monday meetings would have taken up to half a day, and proposed Friday meetings would be for reviewing game plans. 

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... and the part about Depo running the draft?

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14 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

... and the part about Depo running the draft?

...not to gang up on ya Tour, but does it sound out of the realm of possibilities in HaslamLand? 

Wouldn't surprise me.

This is the first time I've ever actually wanted a Browns owner to sell the team.  

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19 minutes ago, Orion said:

...not to gang up on ya Tour, but does it sound out of the realm of possibilities in HaslamLand? 

Wouldn't surprise me.

This is the first time I've ever actually wanted a Browns owner to sell the team.  

Is it possible that Depo ends up being the man? Sure, but right now there's zero evidence to support that is the plan, O.

I'm just trying to hold Dutch accountable for what he has been posting lately... most of which is unsubstantiated garbage in place of his usual funny garbage. :)

 

I mean he just had some poor schmuck believing that The Process wanted to draft Trubs over Myles... oh, wait... that was you... ;)

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12 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

some poor schmuck believing that The Process wanted to draft Trubs over Myles...

That's MY process.  To me, a decent QB is more valuable to a football team than a good DE.

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5 hours ago, Orion said:

They absolutely can.  But won't.

They can NOT buy tickets and NOT go to the games.   They could peacefully protest, stating sell the team Jimmy, or watch the games by yourself.  (well, actually with the opponent's fans)

No, they can't.   You again are living a pipe dream.   Then Jimmy, when his lease is up just says:  " the town no longer supports this team......Where can we move to?  Sacremento, St. Louis, Portland, or San Antonio look good to me."

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4 hours ago, mjp28 said:

And the other 31 multimillionaire and billionaire members would be very reluctant to take action to kick one of the owners out and sell the team but they can !

In reference to the Jerry Jones case in 2017 (no action taken)......

A league source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that multiple owners already have been discussing the possibility, which flows from Article VIII of the NFL’s Constitution & Bylaws. Specifically, Section 8.13 authorizes the Commissioner to determine that an owner “has been or is guilty of conduct detrimental to the welfare of the League or professional football.” If the Commissioner believes the available sanction (a $500,000 fine) is “not adequate or sufficient,” the Commissioner may refer the issue to the NFL’s Executive Committee, which has the power to compel “[c]ancellation or forfeiture of the franchise in the League of any member club involved or implicated,” with a directive to sell the team.

Now I'm not sure on some of the other details like stadium deals and other matters.

Hopefully this goes the simple way and soon ...... without any more 1-31 fiascos.

Just No

"Conduct detrimental to the welfare of the league"  does not including losing to the other 31 teams.  Those teams are happy to have the Browns lose to them.

Now, if JH had been indicted in the Pilot fraud scheme and had to go and wear a nice orange suit....then maybe.   But, even then,  were that to happen now at this juncture, he could just turn ownership over to his  daughter and son in Law, and let them run the Browns.

(of course, could that have been a good thing?)

 

 

 

 

Again.....losing games does not fit the criteria.  

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