TexasAg1969 Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Oh, sorry then. I guess I should never have put you and Poe together as cheerleaders? Poor Poe, all alone: You were right the first time. See my post above. Put 'em back in the same pea pod.🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: You were right the first time. See my post above. Put 'em back in the same pea pod.🤣 If you say so: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzz2 Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 I'll take Stef over McD, and with that, all we can do is wait and see..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 First staff tidbits I've seen... Browns to part with OC Todd Monken, retain special teams coordinator Mike Priefer, per report Kevin Stefanski is already lining up his first coaching staff despite lack of official announcement https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/browns-to-part-with-oc-todd-monken-retain-special-teams-coordinator-mike-priefer-per-report/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Coulda fooled me. Here is a "fact" from page 3 of this very thread. If that is not an endorsement then I don't know what is. I read yours first and then PoG's and exactly what did you expect me to say other than "We're fucked"? cal said on Sept 14 right here in this thread on page 3: "well, I bought into the hype with the last two failure hc's...so third time is the charm. Personally, I put a lot of stock in who said also, it's a "fantastic" hire in the video. that means serious stuff, imho. This time, I'm seeing that they learned their lesson. Stephanski is no "nice guy fuddy duddy nincampoop gonna fail" guy. you betcha. and that is with a UDFA at ROG and a terrific RT that got hurt in the playoff game." Next time try to remember your "facts" for at least two days after you post them. "Writing comprehension" IS a thing you know.😂 You are just a stupid-ass. Read your own post. Sept 14? It's JANUARY you ignorant butthole. I'm supporting their choice as hopefully a GREAT choice. But he wasn't MY choice. So, who would you pick as the next HC ? calfoxwc replied to tinythinker's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD ...I'd pickKris Richard as my next head coach. I don't get why he didn't get aninterview with the Browns. Did with the Giants... at least, hope he ends up with the Browns as an assistant coach. Yesterday at 09:05 AM 132 replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 Pros and Cons on head coach candidates calfoxwc posted a topic in THE BROWNS BOARD Interesting list. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2869050-mike-freemans-10-point-stance-pros-and-cons-on-nfl-coach-candidates I am leaning big towardsKris Richard . Looking at all the candidates a bit... yep. January 1 39 replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 so, it's now well established that you, Texie, don't know a fact if it bit you in ass, making you...an ass. Browns tointerview McCarthy calfoxwc replied to Neo's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD I'm allin onKris Richard , new head coach. Not keen on McCarthy. January 1 191 replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 I was wrong. But Kris Richard was my choice to be the next head coach. 2020 Predictions for the Browns!! calfoxwc replied to Kvoethe's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD Kris Richard - should be the next head coach of the Browns. It's his time. January 1 20 replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigalow80 Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 I'm not saying stefanski is the right or wrong guy. I'm pretty numb to the whole situation. But I think Jimmy may have gotten the memo... -Depo has now wanted to make 2 hires (McDermott and Stefanski) and was overridden on both by Haslam and his crew..epic fail -His "analytics" team when Hue was the coach was not as much of an absolute failure as we may have perceived. Sashi told EVERYONE he was burning it to the ground multiple times and rebuilding with cap space and draft picks. Exactly what he did. Baby Huey was a terrible coach and didn't understand the concepts of how analytics worked. Dorsey was the right guy for talent evaluation to bring in but Sashi gave him a gold mine. -Dorsey utilized everything that the "analtyics team" had built to acquire more talent (which is what he was supposed to do) but instead of evolving and utilizing modern techniques he went old school with Freddie and it fell apart. Neither were on-board for learning new things and examining how the league was changing and adapting to last years tapes. I find it interesting that Dorsey has now been fired twice by organizations for basically being difficult to work with and not being on the same page as the rest of the organization. He's a hell of an evaluator of talent but I'm not sure he knows how to put a "team" of players together -Baltimore and Phily are known to have an analytics person on a headset during the game giving advice to Harbaugh and Pederson...this is not something new or innovative -Finally, for the first time, the entire organization is going to be on the same page. Stefanski is basically picking his GM (Probably the guy from the Vikings), they embrace modern ideas and Haslam wants to see organization in unison -I think McDaniels wanted scorched earth with the entire organization and Haslam got scared. He's done this so many times that he can't afford (maybe literally-over $150 million in dead money) to get such a major thing wrong. Also interesting is to see what the contract is that they give Stefanski. McDaniels agents are the same guys who got Rhule is $70 million deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 Looks like the Cavs found a solid way to dump that "Kevin Love" fellow's contract. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bigalow80 said: I'm not saying stefanski is the right or wrong guy. I'm pretty numb to the whole situation. But I think Jimmy may have gotten the memo... Really good stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 Hearing that there were stipulations placed on candidates such as giving Haslam the weekly game plan and using analytics in decision making just makes me laugh https://www.google.com/amp/s/boston.cbslocal.com/2020/01/13/details-emerge-josh-mcdaniels-cleveland-browns-interview-wasnt-great-fit-head-coach/amp/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 I have to say, for all the fans who have paid so much for season tickets,... that this is very much a make or break hire, I think..... Fail this time, and I can see where the old Saints "shopping bag over the head" would be in order. One more failure, I can see where the Haslams should just sell the team. Putting an outstanding staff together, new hc works out... now is the time, Haslams, to put up or shut up. Failure is not an option. Most fans should EXPECT a playoff run. I've made a few excuses "first year hc, etc. takes time". well, it seems time has run out for 3 yr plans that never come to success. The time is now. But no pressure on Stephanowski. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, BaconHound said: Hearing that there were stipulations placed on candidates such as giving Haslam the weekly game plan and using analytics in decision making just makes me laugh https://www.google.com/amp/s/boston.cbslocal.com/2020/01/13/details-emerge-josh-mcdaniels-cleveland-browns-interview-wasnt-great-fit-head-coach/amp/ What a fucking joke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 15 hours ago, Canton Mike said: I DO NOT like this hire! Keep in mind, I applauded the drafting of Manziel, the hiring of Hue, & the promotion of Freddie. I've gotta reply to this...even before I read pages 7 & 8. Mike, I have you pegged as sort of a Homer. You always try to find something to root for in just about everything that the Browns do. So man, I've gotta give ya some credit for taking this stance. - And it's not because I like people being negative about the Browns.....it's because I don't think it was easy for you to say. Me personally, I don't hate the hire. Is it like hiring a Harvard Freddie Kitchens? Yup. But I'm going to give the guy the clean slate that he deserves. (as I know you will) He's supposedly a smart guy. He's not a loud mouthed yeller. I like smart, under control guys. We'll see how it works out. What I don't like is the process. Jimmy and his family running things. Husband, wife and son-in-law. They've proven that they're football dopes. I hope Stefanski can succeed in spite of The Family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 hours ago, calfoxwc said: Stephanski wasn't "my guy". Try to get at least ONE fact straight this month, okay? I wanted Kris Richard, who wasn't interviewed. "Reading comprehension" IS a thing, you know. From the guy who thought Ben Roethlisberger played college football at the University of Miami Hurricanes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 17 hours ago, Tour2ma said: At least you've got some "word is" in your post... and it's saying that that McD overstepped his bounds. At least that's consistent with what we know about the guy. The big question is what did McD propose in place of the reduction in Depo's role? As for telling an owner not to meddle... how arrogant can an employee be? Kraft meddled... got right in the middle of the Jimmy G/ TB12 thing... and Jimmy G went to SF. Bill did well to get a 2nd considering the circumstances. Like it or not, it's Jimmah's pie... As for the weekly game plan reviews... I made fun of them earlier, but they could be much about nothing. For starters I have to believe they're very high-level, broad-brush talks, if for no other reason but that Depo and Jimmah don't know enough to get into the weeds. The plan should already have considered input from the analytics boys, so it's not like Depo's going to bring anything new to the meeting. Feels to me like more of a... wait for it... process check to see how well their young HC is delegating responsibility for developing the plan for the week and how he assembles the pieces... the tactics, if you like... into an overall, winning strategy. Bottom line... I don't think the weekly meet has to be a bad thing... and so long as it's not enough to drive off every candidate that's good enough for now. Next check for me will be reports of when it occurs on Monday and how long the meetings last. If they are not end of the day and/or last more than 30 minutes... 45 tops... then I'll get worried. Until then I'll just watch the hair-on-fire, chinese-fire-drill that is the Browns Board... For most organizations I’d agree that McD perhaps overstepped his bounds. Keep in mind however he was not an employee but one interviewing to be one. Anyone well versed in interviewing is not just also interviewing the prospective employer. With Haslams track record of meddling and forcing bad decisions it entirely reasonable to want that changed prior to accepting the job. I will give you that perhaps the weekly meeting is a bit overblown, that said of the 32 teams how many owners do you think are reviewing game plans on Mondays?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 15 hours ago, Canton Mike said: I DO NOT like this hire! Keep in mind, I applauded the drafting of Manziel, the hiring of Hue, & the promotion of Freddie. After analyzing the situation, I don't know Jack Shit! GO BROWNS! Canton Mike One of the best posts ever! I resemble those remarks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 I'm just curious, but what other team(s) interviewed Stefanski last year and this one for a head coaching job? Besides the Browns, of course... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-kevin-stefanski-not-robert-saleh-or-josh-mcdaniels-was-the-right-fit-to-be-browns-head-coach/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 hours ago, calfoxwc said: You are just a stupid-ass. Read your own post. Sept 14? It's JANUARY you ignorant butthole. I'm supporting their choice as hopefully a GREAT choice. But he wasn't MY choice. So, who would you pick as the next HC ? calfoxwc replied to tinythinker's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD ...I'd pickKris Richard as my next head coach. I don't get why he didn't get aninterview with the Browns. Did with the Giants... at least, hope he ends up with the Browns as an assistant coach. Yesterday at 09:05 AM 132 replies So I misstyped it. No big deal. And he was my choice only if Kubiac came with the deal. That still does not negate what you said in this thread prior to PoG, hence my little barb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/photos/photos-kevin-stefanski-arrives-in-berea#096468dd-f133-4752-a767-c45fbe336a37 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 hours ago, BaconHound said: Hearing that there were stipulations placed on candidates such as giving Haslam the weekly game plan and using analytics in decision making just makes me laugh https://www.google.com/amp/s/boston.cbslocal.com/2020/01/13/details-emerge-josh-mcdaniels-cleveland-browns-interview-wasnt-great-fit-head-coach/amp/ People who don't understand what is actually going on make me laugh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 And it's now official... Browns officially hire Kevin Stefanski as head coach Stefanski becomes team’s 18th full-time head coach, sixth since the Haslams bought the franchise in 2012. By Thomas Moore@Tom_RedRight88 Jan 13, 2020, 8:10pm EST https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2020/1/13/21064730/cleveland-browns-officially-hire-kevin-stefanski-as-head-coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 hours ago, jcam222 said: For most organizations I’d agree that McD perhaps overstepped his bounds. Keep in mind however he was not an employee but one interviewing to be one. Anyone well versed in interviewing is not just also interviewing the prospective employer. With Haslams track record of meddling and forcing bad decisions it entirely reasonable to want that changed prior to accepting the job. I will give you that perhaps the weekly meeting is a bit overblown, that said of the 32 teams how many owners do you think are reviewing game plans on Mondays?? Not many, but then we now have word that the Monday meeting will be a post mortem of the game just played.... and I am sure those are fairly common. If there's a game plan meeting, it would appear it will be on Friday which basically eliminates any "meddling" concerns since the plan is locked in by then. A si article I posted earlier around here somewhere explained how this is all a good thing ensuring that the Analytics boys are ready to support the HC and staff come Sunday. As for Haslam's meddling... how many instances have there really been? He... went with a glorified scout who talked out of turn in the War room and gave us Manziel; decided on Hue Jackson after getting schmoozed by the snake, and bailed on a 5-year commitment to a new way of doing things when Dorsey, the other snake, got in his ear. I grant you these were doozies, but the count I keep coming up with is these three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Speaking of new hires.. The Pats have been busy 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Axe said: Speaking of new hires.. The Pats have been busy That's good. The Bill Belichick School of trying hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 5 hours ago, calfoxwc said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-kevin-stefanski-not-robert-saleh-or-josh-mcdaniels-was-the-right-fit-to-be-browns-head-coach/ The point I came away with from that article is the fact that it was NOT just the Browns interviewing McDaniels to be their HC, but it was also McDaniels interviewing the Browns to be the organization that he would want to work for in the ensuing years. And while it seems that it was the Browns that turned down McD for the job....it is more accurate perhaps to say that McD turned down the Browns. It seemed clear that JH and Depo told a bunch of "Thou shalts" to McD. and McD said, basically "I shalt not". Stinky and Saleh seemed to be more pliable to the ways that Depo wanted things to go, ergo, while to some extent it seemed like a foregone conclusion, it was still a process after which Depo concluded: this is still the coach that I think fits in most with what I want; and while I came to that conclusion last year, I confirm it this time around. And, so be it. I don't care who is here, I just don't want this to be a fucking disaster like some much of what has come before with this FO crew, including the departed. Bring a winner, and shut the fuck up otherwise. We don't want to hear any of your BS, any of your double talk, any of your excuses...Win games now. Just because you have a 5 year contract with the owner means nothing to us. You have about a 5 game contract with the Fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Not many, but then we now have word that the Monday meeting will be a post mortem of the game just played.... and I am sure those are fairly common. True...As I related earlier, Modell would have them do it at his house, the night of the game, over pasta. If there's a game plan meeting, it would appear it will be on Friday which basically eliminates any "meddling" concerns since the plan is locked in by then. A si article I posted earlier around here somewhere explained how this is all a good thing ensuring that the Analytics boys are ready to support the HC and staff come Sunday. What, if after seeing the game plan, they are NOT ready to support the HC and staff with that plan? Unless this is just a pro forma skull session where the coach says: THIS is MY game plane.....You...You nerds you. Come up with some of the microdetails I will need to support this plan. As for Haslam's meddling... how many instances have there really been? He... went with a glorified scout who talked out of turn in the War room and gave us Manziel; You mean the homeless guy? decided on Hue Jackson after getting schmoozed by the snake, and Was Jimmy wearing his fig leaf when he got schmoozed by the snake? bailed on a 5-year commitment to a new way of doing things when Dorsey, the other snake, got in his ear. How did Dorsey get in his ear? JH invited him into his head. Don't blame Dorsey. I grant you these were doozies, but the count I keep coming up with is these three. Well...your way got us 1-31...but NOW that we are back to that, its all going to be good. Right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Axe said: Speaking of new hires.. The Pats have been busy They don't need those guys to be his OC anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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