The Gipper Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 A little historical perspective: In the era leading up to the Civil War, the United States had a series of Presidents that, lets just say, history has not looked kindly upon. You have the likes of John Tyler, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, and James Buchanan. Each one of these routinely rank among the worst Presidents that we have had in our history. A couple had some moments, but all were deemed failures for one reason or another. But then, along came Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln is routinely rated as among the Top 1-3 President's we have ever had. Compare this to the Brown coaching situation: We have been and are going through our version of Lincoln's predecessors. Freddie, Hue Jackson, Pat Shurmur, Pettine, Chud, Mangini, Crennel, Davis, Palmer. A couple have had a few moments, but all deemed absolute failures. So, when do we get our Abraham Lincoln. A person who came into his job amid strife and acrimony, yet, who, in the end has proven one of the greatest ever. I mean, early in the Browns existence the Browns had their George Washington (PB), their Thomas Jefferson (Collier), their Madison and Monroe (Marty)....and even their Andrew Jackson...a guy that brought on a lot of strife at the time, yet who through historical perspective was actually seen to be a pretty good, if controversial POTUS (Belichick). But now we are in the midst of the doldrums of bad leadership, just like the US pre Abe. Browns fans need an Emancipator to free us from the drudgery that we are undergoing. (and here I know I am mixing my historical figures....by 100 years); when can we have a coach about whom we can proclaim that we are: Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty We are Free at Last. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 To go with our Bobby and our John??? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alporcini Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Where do you rankPolk? An interesting (polarizing) cat- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 We need our FDR ... Stay for 12 years and win 4 championships. Zombo 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 47 minutes ago, alporcini said: Where do you rankPolk? An interesting (polarizing) cat- He generally ranks top 10-12. As much as anyone, beside Jefferson and the Louisiana Purchase, he was responsible for "Manifest Destiny". During his term the US acquired (or you can say "gained by conquest) Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, Utah, California, most of Nevada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, Zombo said: We need our FDR ... Stay for 12 years and win 4 championships. Zombo And he was preceded by a fairly below average group of guys: Harding, Coolidge, Hoover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 14 hours ago, The Gipper said: He generally ranks top 10-12. As much as anyone, beside Jefferson and the Louisiana Purchase, he was responsible for "Manifest Destiny". During his term the US acquired (or you can say "gained by conquest) Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, Utah, California, most of Nevada. I think Mexico might argue that he was our first president to steal land with a fake war. They would rate him as our worst neighboring president ever. Verdad!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 46 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: I think Mexico might argue that he was our first president to steal land with a fake war. They would rate him as our worst neighboring president ever. Verdad!? Well, when you lose, you lose, bitches. Mexico had already lost Texas and California to internal revolutions....even if they did not accept those situations. Both were independent republics when they elected to join the USA. The US could have actually acquired more if they had a mind to....all the way down to Mexico City. We could have annexed practically the entire east coast of Mexico down to Veracruz if we had wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 With the title l thought this was going in a biblical direction. I’m pretty sure we’ve had no shortage of leaders to lead us through the wilderness for 40 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 40 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said: With the title l thought this was going in a biblical direction. I’m pretty sure we’ve had no shortage of leaders to lead us through the wilderness for 40 years. That was Moses. But maybe we do need a Moses to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 hours ago, The Gipper said: That was Moses. But maybe we do need a Moses to If we are talking about fictional historical people to lead the Browns out of this nightmare, I'll go with Gandalf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: If we are talking about fictional historical people to lead the Browns out of this nightmare, I'll go with Gandalf. Well.....even though you have used an oxymoron....I don't think that Gandalf fits the bill "fictional historical" character. I don't thing anyone has ever claimed that he was anything but fictional. Moses....maybe, King Arthur maybe; Robin Hood maybe; Homer maybe; Sun Tzu; And lots of other biblical characters from Adam to Moses to King David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Well.....even though you have used an oxymoron....I don't think that Gandalf fits the bill "fictional historical" character. I don't thing anyone has ever claimed that he was anything but fictional. Moses....maybe, King Arthur maybe; Robin Hood maybe; Homer maybe; Sun Tzu; And lots of other biblical characters from Adam to Moses to King David. A fictional character from a past age, ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 51 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: A fictional character from a past age, ok? Well, of course, when you are dealing with a purely fictional universe, you don't know if it is a past age or not, right? I mean, who knows when epics like The Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones take place in terms of Earth times? They could be far, far into our future, for all we know, fair to say? Of course Star Wars says it takes place long, long ago in a galaxy far away. But it obviously seems futuristic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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