Another season as a loss

[BrownsfaninPa]

Year after year the Browns are struggling to have a winning season, yes last year was a much improved season, and now this season is half over and we cant even be a 500 team. Sad, and everyone in the universe was talking so proudly of how good the Browns looked on paper, with this player and the addition of this player. Well how is all that looking now? I will always cheer for the  Browns, but my hopes are not going to happen once again. 2020, i'm in no hurry.

[CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS]

3 minutes ago, BrownsfaninPa said:

Year after year the Browns are struggling to have a winning season, yes last year was a much improved season, and now this season is half over and we cant even be a 500 team. Sad, and everyone in the universe was talking so proudly of how good the Browns looked on paper, with this player and the addition of this player. Well how is all that looking now? I will always cheer for the  Browns, but my hopes are not going to happen once again. 2020, i'm in no hurry.

You are not the only fan who has been “waiting” 
The team is 4-6 with a LEGITIMATE chance of streaking and making wildcard.

Cheer up, the Great Wall wasn’t built overnight.

[bjh2130]

19 minutes ago, BrownsfaninPa said:

Year after year the Browns are struggling to have a winning season, yes last year was a much improved season, and now this season is half over and we cant even be a 500 team. Sad, and everyone in the universe was talking so proudly of how good the Browns looked on paper, with this player and the addition of this player. Well how is all that looking now? I will always cheer for the  Browns, but my hopes are not going to happen once again. 2020, i'm in no hurry.

Dont think you can write this season off as a loss just yet.  Realistically if this team goes 9-7 people should realize that while it's only a 1.5 game improvement this team is young in both age and chemistry (and coaching) . They have to learn to win. Hell of course I wanted to go 12-4 win the division host a playoff game and all that, but honestly going into the season i said as long as we have a better record than last year (so even 8-8) I was not going to be circling the team like a buzzard waiting to pick little chunks off

[Zombo]

Curious timing with your disgruntled post during a winning streak over two consecutive AFC Playoff contenders.

Z

[The Gipper]

2 hours ago, BrownsfaninPa said:

Year after year the Browns are struggling to have a winning season, yes last year was a much improved season, and now this season is half over and we cant even be a 500 team. Sad, and everyone in the universe was talking so proudly of how good the Browns looked on paper, with this player and the addition of this player. Well how is all that looking now? I will always cheer for the  Browns, but my hopes are not going to happen once again. 2020, i'm in no hurry.

So, the year is over?  This says the Browns still have a 20% chance.....and those chances go up with every game they play and win.

AFC Playoff Standings

		Record			Divisional Winners				Wildcard		No Playoffs
Team	Division	W	L	T	1*	2*	3**	4**	5	6	7
Patriots	East	9	1	0	74%	18%	4%	1%	2%	<1%	<1%
Ravens	North	8	2	0	20%	47%	17%	8%	2%	3%	4%
Chiefs	West	7	4	0	2%	13%	22%	32%	5%	9%	16%
Colts	South	6	4	0	<1%	2%	12%	20%	3%	9%	55%
Bills	East	7	3	0	2%	1%	<1%	<1%	48%	19%	30%
Texans	South	6	4	0	2%	10%	25%	21%	7%	10%	26%
Raiders	West	6	4	0	1%	7%	13%	10%	12%	17%	42%
Steelers	North	5	5	0	<1%	2%	2%	1%	14%	14%	68%
Titans	South	5	5	0	<1%	<1%	3%	4%	1%	5%	86%
Browns	North	4	6	0	<1%	<1%	1%	2%	5%	11%	80%
Jaguars	South	4	6	0	<1%	<1%	<1%	1%	1%	3%	95%
Chargers	West	4	7	0	<1%	<1%	<1%	<1%	<1%	<1%	>99%
Broncos	West	3	7	0	<1%	<1%	<1%	<1%	<1%	<1%	99%
Jets	East	3	7	0	X	X	X	X	<1%	<1%	>99%
Dolphins	East	2	8	0	X	X	X	X	<1%	<1%	>99%
Bengals	North	0	10	0	X	X	X	X	X	X	100%

[The Gipper]

And here is the rest of their schedule with the records of their opponents:

Dolphins  2-8

Steelers 5-5

Bengals 0-10

Cards  3-7-1

Ravens 8-2

Bengals  0-10

The teams with the best records....Ravens/Steelers, the Browns have already proven they can beat those teams. 

3 games are at home and 3 are on the road.  

Can we assume your pessimism is based on the fact that Garrett likely will be out?  Understandable, but then you disparage the talent and character of the rest of that defense....which, admittedly has to prove that they can come through without their likely best player.  But it seems that you are assuming that they just can't do that.   We shall see.

[The Gipper]

Lets look at the Browns competitors schedules.  First:  Steelers.  At 5-5 they are one of the teams in that mix for a possible WC spot:

12	Sun	November 24	1:00PM ET	preview			5-5	@	Cincinnati Bengals
13	Sun	December 1	1:00PM ET	preview			5-5		Cleveland Browns
14	Sun	December 8	4:25PM ET	preview			5-5	@	Arizona Cardinals
15	Sun	December 15	1:00PM ET	preview			5-5		Buffalo Bills
16	Sun	December 22	1:00PM ET	preview			5-5	@	New York Jets
17	Sun	December 29	1:00PM ET	preview			5-5	@	Baltimore Ravens

Seems like a 50/50 schedule to me.    I mean, face it....the Steeler's offense really is pretty much crap, isn't it?  Will anyone be surprised if they go with the other guy and bench Rudolph...like real soon.  And maybe this next week will be the breakout game for the Bengals.

Prediction for the rest of the way:  

2-4.  Maybe even 1-5 if their defense does not hold up the way they have. 

Final record:  7-9

[The Gipper]

Oakland Raiders.    Currently sitting at 6-4, just outside of a WC spot:

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12	Sun	November 24	1:00PM ET	preview			6-4	@	New York Jets
13	Sun	December 1	4:25PM ET	preview			6-4	@	Kansas City Chiefs
14	Sun	December 8	4:25PM ET	preview			6-4		Tennessee Titans
15	Sun	December 15	4:05PM ET	preview			6-4		Jacksonville Jaguars
16	Sun	December 22	4:05PM ET	preview			6-4	@	Los Angeles Chargers
17	Sun	December 29	4:25PM ET	preview			6-4	@	Denver Broncos

 

I see all of these as fairly tough games for them.  Prediction for the rest of the way:

2-4.

Final record:  8-8

[The Gipper]

Tennesse Titans:  Currently at 5-5

								Bye Week
12	Sun	November 24	4:05PM ET	preview			5-5		Jacksonville Jaguars
13	Sun	December 1	1:00PM ET	preview			5-5	@	Indianapolis Colts
14	Sun	December 8	4:25PM ET	preview			5-5	@	Oakland Raiders
15	Sun	December 15	1:00PM ET	preview			5-5		Houston Texans
16	Sun	December 22	1:00PM ET	preview			5-5		New Orleans Saints
17	Sun	December 29	1:00PM ET	preview			5-5	@	Houston Texans

 

Every single game  is against  another playoff contender.  

I say they go 3-3. 

Final Record:   8-8

However, the Browns are in a bad way vs. Titans because of that week 1 loss. 

 

[The Gipper]

Jacksonville Jaguars.  Currently at 4-6. Same as Browns

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12	Sun	November 24	4:05PM ET	preview			4-6	@	Tennessee Titans
13	Sun	December 1	1:00PM ET	preview			4-6		Tampa Bay Buccaneers
14	Sun	December 8	4:05PM ET	preview			4-6		Los Angeles Chargers
15	Sun	December 15	4:05PM ET	preview			4-6	@	Oakland Raiders
16	Sun	December 22	1:00PM ET	preview			4-6	@	Atlanta Falcons
17	Sun	December 29	1:00PM ET	preview			4-6		Indianapolis Colts

 

Appears to be a relatively easy schedule.  

They go  4-2 the rest of the way.

Final record:   8-8

[The Gipper]

Houston Texans.   Currently sit at  6-4 and in the 6th seed for a WC. 

12	Thu	November 21	8:20PM ET	preview			6-4		Indianapolis Colts
13	Sun	December 1	8:20PM ET	preview			6-4		New England Patriots
14	Sun	December 8	1:00PM ET	preview			6-4		Denver Broncos
15	Sun	December 15	1:00PM ET	preview			6-4	@	Tennessee Titans
16	Sun	December 22	1:00PM ET	preview			6-4	@	Tampa Bay Buccaneers
17	Sun	December 29	1:00PM ET	preview			6-4		Tennessee Titans

 

I see another 3-3 finish here.

Final record:   9-7

 

 

[TypicalBrowns50]

One thing that is really a big bummer is we still don’t know what we have in Freddie kitchens. Through 10 games, there has been far more bad than good. I think the head coach is a big reason I’d count it as a loss. Still 6 games to go and they may turn it around, you never know. But not knowing what you have in your head coach is not good. The things we do know about him are mostly not good

 

[The Gipper]

Indianapolis Colts  Currently at 6-4    holding the AFCW lead:

12	Thu	November 21	8:20PM ET	preview			6-4	@	Houston Texans
13	Sun	December 1	1:00PM ET	preview			6-4		Tennessee Titans
14	Sun	December 8	1:00PM ET	preview			6-4	@	Tampa Bay Buccaneers
15	Mon	December 16	8:15PM ET	preview			6-4	@	New Orleans Saints
16	Sun	December 22	1:00PM ET	preview			6-4		Carolina Panthers
17	Sun	December 29	1:00PM ET	preview			6-4	@	Jacksonville Jaguars

 

Hard to know what to think about this schedule......3 games against their AFCS opponents.  3 games vs. the NFCS opponents. 

I say this too becomes a split

3-3 rest of the year

Final record:  9-7.

[The Gipper]

So, based on the above, I am giving the Browns competitors the following records:

Colts 9-7

Houston 9-7

Jags 8-8

Tennessee 8-8

Oakland 8-8

Steelers 7-9 at best

 I am giving the Bills, at 7-3 the in at one WC, so I am not including them

As I see it also, the Chiefs are in in the AFCW , as well as the Pats...and lets face it, at 8-2 so are the Ratfuckers.   So the Browns have to get a WC.

ONE of these 4 teams will win the AFCS.  What the Browns really need is an advantage over the other 3.  Which means that my prediction of 8-8 for the Titans must at minimal come true, as they are the one team that has that  head to head edge on  us. 

The other critical factor for the other 4,  Raiders, Jags, Texans, Colts would be Conference record.

Right now these are the Conf. records:

Raiders 4-2

Jags  4-4

Texans 5-2

Colts  5-4

Browns are at 4-3 in the AFC.  

So, as I see it, based on their conf. records....I think we need the Texans to prevail in the AFCS...and for the other 3 teams to cannibalize each other (and of course, lose to their non-division opponents).  

The Browns need to get to the 9-7 record, with AFC wins over the Fins, Spermsuckers, twice over the Bitchy Pussies.  Really build up that conf. record...and most importantly have the Tits fall behind us. 

Longshot?  Yes.  Possible? Certainly.   Of course....the Browns MUST win all but one of the rest of their games.

[jiggins7919]

I get it, many of us aren't thrilled with how this season is turning out, but there's also some football left to play.  I think the absolute cherry on top was losing our best player to something so stupid as using a helmet to hit someone else with 8 freaking seconds left to go.  That definitely soured me pretty good.  

We can play the "schedule game" and try to see which teams we'll beat and which ones we'll lose to, but one thing I know from watching the NFL is you never really know who is going to win any game.  We can certainly lose this Dolphins game, although I don't think we will.  I do know we're not going to win every game we're favored to win because that's not how it usually works.  If I had to guess, we'll finish with 8 wins.  

Is that great?  No, it certainly isn't.  And it comes down to the Broncos game, and the Seahawks game.  Two games we drastically choked away, and that's probably the difference between 8-8 and 10-6.  But hey, if we do finish at 8-8, that's still a pretty fun year, even if we had some severe bullshit to fight through.  

[The Gipper]

1 hour ago, jiggins7919 said:

I get it, many of us aren't thrilled with how this season is turning out, but there's also some football left to play.  I think the absolute cherry on top was losing our best player to something so stupid as using a helmet to hit someone else with 8 freaking seconds left to go.  That definitely soured me pretty good.  

We can play the "schedule game" and try to see which teams we'll beat and which ones we'll lose to, but one thing I know from watching the NFL is you never really know who is going to win any game.  We can certainly lose this Dolphins game, although I don't think we will.  I do know we're not going to win every game we're favored to win because that's not how it usually works.  If I had to guess, we'll finish with 8 wins.  

Is that great?  No, it certainly isn't.  And it comes down to the Broncos game, and the Seahawks game.  Two games we drastically choked away, and that's probably the difference between 8-8 and 10-6.  But hey, if we do finish at 8-8, that's still a pretty fun year, even if we had some severe bullshit to fight through.  

Well, the OP is Mr. Pessimist, you are Mr. Milktoast. But I think I was Mr. "Lets see how we can get this done". 

[Icecube]

4 hours ago, BrownsfaninPa said:

Year after year the Browns are struggling to have a winning season, yes last year was a much improved season, and now this season is half over and we cant even be a 500 team. Sad, and everyone in the universe was talking so proudly of how good the Browns looked on paper, with this player and the addition of this player. Well how is all that looking now? I will always cheer for the  Browns, but my hopes are not going to happen once again. 2020, i'm in no hurry.

And this season of underachievement can be squarely set at the feet of the head coach. As nothing more than a positional coach his entire career, Freddie wasn't up to be head coach, ESPECIALLY to a very young, immature team WHILE also calling the plays. Bad idea. Zero head coach experience on ANY level PLUS was never even as high up as a coordinator job. What did they expect to happen? Freddie is clearly over his head. 

There are signs that Baker is learning and growing up, so that's a plus. But the team could have desperately used an OC who did the play calling, as it's just too much for FK to be HC and call the plays. 

 

[hoorta]

1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

Well, the OP is Mr. Pessimist, you are Mr. Milktoast. But I think I was Mr. "Lets see how we can get this done". 

I think you're over rating the Browns chances, and hoping the teams ahead of us fall flat. Not likely. 

1) I'll buy the Steelers at 8-8, maybe worse if Ju-Ju and Connor miss significant time.  

2)  Sorry Gip Raiders could easily go 4-2

3) Jags, yeah 4-2 or 3-3 is realistic, but they have big problems just like the Browns  

4)  Texans\ Colts? the TNF game coming up is an elimination game.  

So the Browns only faint chance of making the playoffs is to run the table- and get a lot of help.  9-7 isn't going to do it this year. 

 

[The Gipper]

Just now, hoorta said:

I think you're over rating the Browns chances, and hoping the teams ahead of us fall flat. Not likely. 

I don't think I indicated that anyone would fall flat...except for maybe the Steelers.

1) I'll buy the Steelers at 8-8, maybe worse if Ju-Ju and Connor miss significant time.  (and here is the reason why it is highly possible that they may. 

2)  Sorry Gip Raiders could easily go 4-2.  And, they could easily go 2-4. 

3) Jags, yeah 4-2 or 3-3 is realistic, but they have big problems just like the Browns  

4)  Texans\ Colts? the TNF game coming up is an elimination game.  Either one losing helps the Browns...but I think the Colts losing is perhaps better because of that conference record. 

So the Browns only faint chance of making the playoffs is to run the table- and get a lot of help.  9-7 isn't going to do it this year. 

I think it very well could....  It would only happen if one of the teams above exceeds expectations....like the Raiders going 4-2. It may not be the Browns, but it could be someone. 

 

So, I don't know that I am overrating them so much as trying to figure how it could be done.  Note I said it was very much  a longshot..but not impossible. 

Browns need  to help themselves, but also need a lot of  other help.   Especially from the teams in the NFCS...which plays those AFCS teams.  The Jets could be helpful with 2 games vs. those AFCS teams.

[gumby73]

4 hours ago, The Gipper said:

 I am giving the Bills, at 7-3 the in at one WC, so I am not including them

we own the head to head win with Bills.. how many more games do you see the Bills winning?

Denver

@ Dallas

Ravens

@ Pitt

@Pats

Jets

the game on our schedule that bothers me is at Zona..if we win there? were kicking that Ravens as$ again the following week

[jiggins7919]

4 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Well, the OP is Mr. Pessimist, you are Mr. Milktoast. But I think I was Mr. "Lets see how we can get this done". 

Meh, been called worse. 😂

The thing I can't get out of my mind is how we're on the verge of trying to turn our season around, we finally beat the Steelers, we've got the Fins coming up at home, and our embattled young QB is turning the corner and WHAMMO. The most absurd shit ever happens. You just can't make this stuff up. 

There's a chance, maybe even a good chance, that this incident galvanizes our team. We're going to be playing with several guys who don't usually play too much, perhaps some guys that just got signed. The good news is that offensively we come into the game unscathed. Not only that, but we're about as healthy as any offense in the league. We've now got virtually every starting position back to full strength PLUS Kareem Hunt. Yeah, we're depleted like a mofo on defense. But maybe it's time for the offense to carry the load a while. 

[The Gipper]

8 hours ago, gumby73 said:

we own the head to head win with Bills.. how many more games do you see the Bills winning?

Denver

@ Dallas

Ravens

@ Pitt

@Pats

Jets

the game on our schedule that bothers me is at Zona..if we win there? were kicking that Ravens as$ again the following week

They could go 4 and two or three and three. Which would still give them 10 wins at minimum 

[jiggins7919]

13 hours ago, hoorta said:

I think you're over rating the Browns chances, and hoping the teams ahead of us fall flat. Not likely. 

1) I'll buy the Steelers at 8-8, maybe worse if Ju-Ju and Connor miss significant time.  

2)  Sorry Gip Raiders could easily go 4-2

3) Jags, yeah 4-2 or 3-3 is realistic, but they have big problems just like the Browns  

4)  Texans\ Colts? the TNF game coming up is an elimination game.  

So the Browns only faint chance of making the playoffs is to run the table- and get a lot of help.  9-7 isn't going to do it this year. 

 

Hoorta totally nails it, per usual.  Unfortunately this isn't the year to start out slowly, and it's next to impossible for us to make the playoffs.  The focus now needs to be on finishing strong, which I know isn't what people want to hear.  

But think about what "finishing strong" does for our team.  If we finish 8-8, do we get to keep our coach?  I think we do.  Can we build around a defensive coordinator and draft people specifically fit for his system?  Can we improve on our already solid special teams?  Can we ride some offensive momentum into next season where the receivers have some time to gel with each other?

And let's be honest, maybe we just need a little luck next year.  We started out with a brutal schedule, and when we dropped the early close ones, that was the end of our year.  Three games sealed our fate early.  Titans, Rams, Seahawks.  In all three of those games, for different reasons, we beat ourselves.  That made it so we had to be almost perfect in the second half of the year, and when we lost to the Brandon Allen lead Broncos, well...that was that.  (as far as playoffs)

We can still have some fun the last six games, and we can still learn a lot about our team.  One thing I learned (hopefully) was that we're going to keep Jarvis Landry.  Before the season I said Landry would likely be gone next year unless he reworked his massive contract.  As good as he is, his production didn't match his salary, and with the arrival of stud WR OBJ, Landry's production would likely fall a little bit and we wouldn't want to invest $30 a million a year to WR's.  

WRONG.  Jarvis Landry is the freaking SOUL of our team, and I don't see a way in HELL we let him go anywhere.  You guys remember that 40 yard catch by Hodge last week?  You know what I remember the most?  Seeing Landry sprinting down the field to catapult his ass into 3 Steelers in hopes of springing Hodge for just a few more yards.  Landry didn't end up helping the play and he missed the diving block, but I loved seeing it.  

We get to see how Hunt plays with our team for 6 more games, and we can fine tune our offensive strategy to better incorporate the two stud RB's we have.  I feel like Hunt is going to blow up on the field soon, and it might be against a poor defensive team like the Fins.  This could be a very fun offense to watch for several years, and although I'm as frustrated as anyone about the lack of productivity THIS year, we still get 6 more games to watch us hopefully come together and get some more wins.  

[The Gipper]

15 minutes ago, jiggins7919 said:

Hoorta totally nails it, per usual.  Unfortunately this isn't the year to start out slowly, and it's next to impossible for us to make the playoffs.  The focus now needs to be on finishing strong, which I know isn't what people want to hear.  

But think about what "finishing strong" does for our team.  If we finish 8-8, do we get to keep our coach?  I think we do.  Can we build around a defensive coordinator and draft people specifically fit for his system?  Can we improve on our already solid special teams?  Can we ride some offensive momentum into next season where the receivers have some time to gel with each other?

And let's be honest, maybe we just need a little luck next year.  We started out with a brutal schedule, and when we dropped the early close ones, that was the end of our year.  Three games sealed our fate early.  Titans, Rams, Seahawks.  In all three of those games, for different reasons, we beat ourselves.  That made it so we had to be almost perfect in the second half of the year, and when we lost to the Brandon Allen lead Broncos, well...that was that.  (as far as playoffs)

We can still have some fun the last six games, and we can still learn a lot about our team.  One thing I learned (hopefully) was that we're going to keep Jarvis Landry.  Before the season I said Landry would likely be gone next year unless he reworked his massive contract.  As good as he is, his production didn't match his salary, and with the arrival of stud WR OBJ, Landry's production would likely fall a little bit and we wouldn't want to invest $30 a million a year to WR's.  

WRONG.  Jarvis Landry is the freaking SOUL of our team, and I don't see a way in HELL we let him go anywhere.  You guys remember that 40 yard catch by Hodge last week?  You know what I remember the most?  Seeing Landry sprinting down the field to catapult his ass into 3 Steelers in hopes of springing Hodge for just a few more yards.  Landry didn't end up helping the play and he missed the diving block, but I loved seeing it.  

We get to see how Hunt plays with our team for 6 more games, and we can fine tune our offensive strategy to better incorporate the two stud RB's we have.  I feel like Hunt is going to blow up on the field soon, and it might be against a poor defensive team like the Fins.  This could be a very fun offense to watch for several years, and although I'm as frustrated as anyone about the lack of productivity THIS year, we still get 6 more games to watch us hopefully come together and get some more wins.  

So? You have switched from Mr. Milktoast to either Mr. Negative or to Mr. Wishy Washy?  

I get that it is a longshot.....but it is by no means impossible.  

Tonight's game can be a start.   While either losing helps,  the Colts losing, I think, helps more....with the whole  comparative conference record thing. The Browns will be only a game behind the loser. (If they win on Sunday...of course we can never assume).  They would have an edge on the Colts in Conf. record (they do now):  5-3 to 5-5.

They are right now even with the Jags in the W/L column...but ahead in the  Conf. record.  (current 4-3 vs. 4-4).   

We can really only look to leapfrogging one of these competitors at a time, it seems.   We actually are ahead on leaps over the Jags. I think the Colts losing tonight makes a leap over them a lot shorter.  

Titans, who we definitely cannot be tied with, play the Jags.  Guess we gotta root for the Jags.  Raiders play Jets..then Titans.   Yes, it will take a lot because a lot of the teams we need to beat, play each other,   so while we gain something on the one hand, we lose on the other. 

[hoorta]

31 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

So? You have switched from Mr. Milktoast to either Mr. Negative or to Mr. Wishy Washy?  

I get that it is a longshot.....but it is by no means impossible.  

Tonight's game can be a start.   While either losing helps,  the Colts losing, I think, helps more....with the whole  comparative conference record thing. The Browns will be only a game behind the loser. (If they win on Sunday...of course we can never assume).  They would have an edge on the Colts in Conf. record (they do now):  5-3 to 5-5.

They are right now even with the Jags in the W/L column...but ahead in the  Conf. record.  (current 4-3 vs. 4-4).   

We can really only look to leapfrogging one of these competitors at a time, it seems.   We actually are ahead on leaps over the Jags. I think the Colts losing tonight makes a leap over them a lot shorter.  

Titans, who we definitely cannot be tied with, play the Jags.  Guess we gotta root for the Jags.  Raiders play Jets..then Titans.   Yes, it will take a lot because a lot of the teams we need to beat, play each other,   so while we gain something on the one hand, we lose on the other. 

Gip the team that could  help the  Browns  out the most  is the Jets. They still have to play the  Raiders, Steelers,  Ravens, and Bills.  Sorry  if I  think  they're not  good enough to  beat any of them. 

[The Gipper]

4 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Gip the team that could  help the  Browns  out the most  is the Jets. They still have to play the  Raiders, Steelers,  Ravens, and Bills.  Sorry  if I  think  they're not  good enough to  beat any of them. 

Right....see the new Z thread.   We both conceded that they need to pull of a couple of upsets....particularly the Raiders.   But, even if they are no help....the NFCS  has to come through for us.

[The Gipper]

Colts win tonight.   That helps the Browns cause....a bit.   One chip in the ante for us.

Texans win makes them  7-4 and in control in AFCS.    Their conference record is 6-2

Colts are now  6-5.   Conference record is  5-5

And to remind you:    Browns are 4-6, but 4-3 in conference. 

Also, technically, for now, Colts loss takes them out of playoff position....and puts the Raiders in at  6-4, currently.

[Icecube]

On 11/20/2019 at 3:53 PM, The Gipper said:

And here is the rest of their schedule with the records of their opponents:

Dolphins  2-8

Steelers 5-5

Bengals 0-10

Cards  3-7-1

Ravens 8-2

Bengals  0-10

The teams with the best records....Ravens/Steelers, the Browns have already proven they can beat those teams. 

3 games are at home and 3 are on the road.  

Can we assume your pessimism is based on the fact that Garrett likely will be out?  Understandable, but then you disparage the talent and character of the rest of that defense....which, admittedly has to prove that they can come through without their likely best player.  But it seems that you are assuming that they just can't do that.   We shall see.

I see 2 more loses, at least. 

[Icecube]

On 11/21/2019 at 11:27 PM, The Gipper said:

Colts win tonight.   That helps the Browns cause....a bit.   One chip in the ante for us.

Texans win makes them  7-4 and in control in AFCS.    Their conference record is 6-2

Colts are now  6-5.   Conference record is  5-5

And to remind you:    Browns are 4-6, but 4-3 in conference. 

Also, technically, for now, Colts loss takes them out of playoff position....and puts the Raiders in at  6-4, currently.

And one more loss...

[The Gipper]

36 minutes ago, Icecube said:

And one more loss probably dooms postseason hopes. The whooping by TN is the game that caused the most damage. Freddie didn't have the team prepared. 

You have not been paying one bit of attention, have you.