WEEK 12 - BROWNS and NFL injury report and other news in the AFCN and league, MIA +10' at CLE

[mjp28]

WEEK 12 - BROWNS and NFL injury report and other news around the AFCN and league

MONDAY MORNING, picking up where we left off, subject to revisions of course.

Cleveland Browns
NAME	STATUS	DATE
Morgan Burnett, S	Out	Nov 16
Comment: Burnett will miss the rest of the season with a torn Achilles, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
Myles Garrett, DE	Suspension	Nov 15
Comment: Garrett has been suspended indefinitely -- "at a minimum for the remainder of the regular season and postseason," per NFL Senior VP of Football & International Communications Michael Signora.
Larry Ogunjobi, DT	Suspension	Nov 15
Comment: Ogunjobi notched one solo tackle -- his fifth sack of the season -- during Thursday's 21-7 win over the Steelers. Miami Dolphins NAME STATUS DATE Bobby McCain, S Questionable Nov 17 Comment: McCain (shoulder) is questionable to return to Sunday's game against the Bills, Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reports. Gary Jennings, WR Questionable Nov 17 Comment: Jennings (shoulder) is out for the remainder of Sunday's game against the Bills, Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reports. Raekwon McMillan, LB Out Nov 17 Comment: McMillan (knee) is listed as inactive Sunday against the Bills. Taco Charlton, DE Out Nov 17 Comment: Charlton (elbow) is listed as inactive Week 11 against Buffalo. Chris Reed, G Out Nov 17 Comment: inactive Isaiah Prince, OT Out Nov 17 Comment: inactive Shaq Calhoun, G Out Nov 17 Comment: inactive Ken Webster, CB Out Nov 17 Comment: inactive Xavier Crawford, CB Out Nov 17 Comment: inactive

 

[mjp28]

And from the business side of sports......

Perhaps the tide has finally turned for bettors in NFL action after losing most of the first 10 weeks of the season. Sunday’s Week 11 saw favorites go 7-5 against-the-spread with only two underdogs winning outright, but it was the popular favorites that all got there together to produce some formidable parlay risk the books couldn’t escape.

William Hill’s Nick Bogdanovich described their Sunday results as “horrible” while South Point’s Chris Andrews described it as “terrible” if that helps give an indication of how the books did.

“It’s going to be a losing day,” conceded Station Casinos sportsbook director Jason McCormick prior to kickoff of the Sunday night game. “The Patriots were bad with several other games.”
 

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The ongoing trend with bettors during the Tom Brady era is to always bet Bill Belichick to come up with a great game plan to win following a loss and it held true again as the Patriots won 17-10 at Philadelphia, a game that ran from Patriots -3.5 to -5 by kickoff.

We’re stuck to the day,” said CG Technology sportsbook director Tony DiTommaso. “We really needed the Lions and Eagles and didn’t get either of those. The Eagles looked good enough to win, but (Carson) Wentz didn’t have his best game and his receivers dropped a few passes in key moments.”

Part of the reason the Lions didn’t get the cover or push was because of Lions coach Matt Patricia’s choice to go for a two-point conversion after a touchdown late in the game when down by 8-points. He was looking to get to a 6-point deficit and then, I guess, win the game with a TD on their next possession. The Lions did not succeed and the final score was 35-27, a game where most of the wagers were bet on the Cowboys at -7.

“I just don’t understand the move,” DiTommaso said. “And I’m not just saying it because a push would have been better for us, but the 2-point attempt in that situation just doesn’t make any sense.”

The favorites that killed the books included the Cowboys, Patriots, Saints (-5 in 34-17 win at Tampa Bay), and Ravens (-4.5 in 41-7 win vs Texans). That’s a four-team parlay at 10-to-1 odds at most shops (CG books use true odds) is an escalation of odds that books couldn’t make up through any straight bets. And then there were the teasers that cashed on the big favorites that didn’t cover as well.

[mjp28]

Also looking at this WEEK 12 games in the AFCN:

MIAMI in sunny CLEVELAND which is a -10.5 favorite and 40 point O/U.

Pittsburgh in Cincinnati +6.5.   -and-. on MNF.  Baltimore opened a pick game now a -2 point favorite at the LA Rams.   So there you go......

 

[The Gipper]

OK, Mr.  bettor.......what is the line on whether or not Garrett's suspension will get reduced?

[mjp28]

1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

OK, Mr.  bettor.......what is the line on whether or not Garrett's suspension will get reduced?

Odds for Number of Games Myles Garrett Will Be Suspended

Outcome	Odds at Bovada
Over 5.5	-500
Under 5.5	+300

Odds taken on Nov. 15

As Ron Burgundy would say, things escalated rather quickly from there. Garrett ripped the helmet off of Rudolph’s head and then swung and struck the Pittsburgh QB with it.

Rudolph called it “a total coward move.” The NFL quickly called Garrett on the carpet. He was suspended indefinitely, with the minimum length of the suspension to be the remainder of this season (six games) and also to include the playoffs if the Browns were to qualify for postseason play.

[mjp28]

And......  (even though I'm sick of this topic)

The 4-6 Cleveland Browns won their second straight game on Thursday night. However, a massive fight broke out in the dying seconds and star defensive end Myles Garrett wound up ripping the helmet off Pittsburgh QB Mason Rudolph and using it like a mace to hit Rudolph in the head.

To no one’s surprise, Garrett has been suspended for the remainder of the season (including playoffs) for the unprecedented incident.

Now the Browns are seemingly back in playoff and AFC North contention with an easy schedule upcoming, but will have to continue their winning streak without their best defender. Are they worth a look in the AFC North odds?

2019 AFC North Odds

Team	Odds at BetOnline
Baltimore Ravens	-800
Pittsburgh Steelers	+700
Cleveland Browns	+1200

Odds taken November 15.

Browns Beat Steelers But Garrett Suspended

On Thursday, the Browns did something the franchise had never done before: beat the Baltimore Ravens and Pittsburgh Steelers in the same season. But the win was blemished by the aforementioned fight between Garrett and Rudolph.

Garrett actually connected flush on Rudolph’s head and he’s lucky that there was no damage – at least no visible damage. The incident was so ugly that talking heads (and teams) have discussed taking legal action.

 

[mjp28]

And from Vegas insider which I prefer.....

ODDS TO WIN 2019-20 AFC EAST (12/29/19)

Team	Odds
New England Patriots	1/50
Buffalo Bills	15/1
New York Jets	1000/1
Miami Dolphins	2000/1

 

ODDS TO WIN 2019-20 AFC NORTH (12/29/19)

Team	Odds
Baltimore Ravens	1/8
Pittsburgh Steelers	6/1
Cleveland Browns	20/1 <--- the BROWNS have wins over the above

[TexasAg1969]

Browns 10 1/2 point favorites @ Miami is a huge line for an away team with two DL defenders missing.

[mjp28]

10 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Browns 10 1/2 point favorites @ Miami is a huge line for an away team with two DL defenders missing.

Yes and they opened up at 9 point favorites, after the game the line actually went up.

[The Gipper]

1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Browns 10 1/2 point favorites @ Miami is a huge line for an away team with two DL defenders missing.

Except, the Browns play at home. 

[TexasAg1969]

55 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Except, the Browns play at home. 

My bad. That makes about a 3 point difference. Still pretty stout with those players and the starting S and maybe even Vernon missing.

[jiggins7919]

1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said:

My bad. That makes about a 3 point difference. Still pretty stout with those players and the starting S and maybe even Vernon missing.

I can't imagine a double digit victory, but lord knows I'd love to see it! I just don't see us getting pressure without Garrett, and I don't think it looks good for Vernon. Hope I'm wrong! 

I will say that it's past time for an offensive explosion. That would be JUST what the doctor ordered. 

Edit:  Kitchens just said Vernon would be "very close" to returning Sunday. CMON BUDDY! 

[mjp28]

2 hours ago, jiggins7919 said:

I can't imagine a double digit victory, but lord knows I'd love to see it! I just don't see us getting pressure without Garrett, and I don't think it looks good for Vernon. Hope I'm wrong! 

Hey they did whack the birds and the steelrz......just sayin'.  

[Unsympathetic]

Analysis of Kaep's workout - I watch everything this guy puts out because the QB details are more than any other channel I've yet found. I have never in my life learned more about the nuances of QB play: what drops from center should look like, eye/head placement with telestrator corrections and explanations of ideal - etc - than during this vid.

Short summary: There's a few reasons Kaep's last two full seasons in the league were PFF under 60..

[LBC mike]

Don't we get our TE back?

[mjp28]

TUESDAY EARLY AM report, subject to changes.

Cleveland Browns
NAME	STATUS	DATE
David Njoku, TE	Injury Reserve	Nov 18
Comment: Coach Freddie Kitchens said he expects Njoku (wrist) to resume practicing with the team Wednesday, Scott Petrak of the Elyria Chronicle-Telegram reports.
Olivier Vernon, DE	Out	Nov 18
Comment: Vernon (knee) is not present at Monday's practice, Mary Kay Cabot of The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports.
Eric Murray, S	Out	Nov 18
Comment: out
Kendall Lamm, OT	Out	Nov 18
Comment: out
Morgan Burnett, S	Out	Nov 16
Comment: Burnett will miss the rest of the season with a torn Achilles, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
Myles Garrett, DE	Suspension	Nov 15
Comment: Garrett has been suspended indefinitely -- "at a minimum for the remainder of the regular season and postseason," per NFL Senior VP of Football & International Communications Michael Signora.
Larry Ogunjobi, DT	Suspension	Nov 15
Comment: Ogunjobi notched one solo tackle -- his fifth sack of the season -- during Thursday's 21-7 win over the Steelers. Miami Dolphins NAME STATUS DATE Ken Webster, CB Out Nov 18 Comment: out Raekwon McMillan, LB Out Nov 18 Comment: out Taco Charlton, DE Out Nov 18 Comment: out Bobby McCain, S Questionable Nov 17 Comment: McCain (shoulder) is questionable to return to Sunday's game against the Bills, Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reports. Gary Jennings, WR Questionable Nov 17 Comment: Jennings (shoulder) is out for the remainder of Sunday's game against the Bills, Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reports.

[Zombo]

I dont know why we've been carrying Kendall Lamm all year on the active roster, since was injured in the first game and still isnt healthy.

Z

[mjp28]

WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON REPORT hey ESPN changed their screen presentation a bit, easier to read there.

Cleveland Browns

 

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
Joel Bitonio	G	Nov 20	Questionable
Jarvis Landry	WR	Nov 20	Questionable	Landry was limited in Wednesday's practice due to a hip injury, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
Odell Beckham Jr.	WR	Nov 20	Questionable	Beckham was limited in Wednesday's practice due to a groin injury, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
Olivier Vernon	DE	Nov 20	Questionable	Vernon (knee) is not participating in Wednesday's practice, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
Eric Murray	S	Nov 19	Doubtful
Kendall Lamm	OT	Nov 19	Questionable

Miami Dolphins

 

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
Julie'n Davenport	OT	Nov 20	Questionable
Ryan Fitzpatrick	QB	Nov 20	Questionable	Fitzpatrick was limited in Wednesday's practice due to right shoulder and forearm injuries, Adam H. Beasley of the Miami Herald reports.
Reshad Jones	S	Nov 20	Injured Reserve	Jones (undisclosed) was placed on injured reserve Wednesday, Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports.
Bobby McCain	S	Nov 20	Injured Reserve	McCain (shoulder) was placed on injured reserve Wednesday.
Gary Jennings	WR	Nov 20	Injured Reserve	The Dolphins are placing Jennings (shoulder) on injured reserve, Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports.
Ken Webster	CB	Nov 19	Questionable
Raekwon McMillan	LB	Nov 19	Questionable
Taco Charlton	DE	Nov 19	Questionable

 

[mjp28]

THURSDAY MORNING EARLY injury report nothing new on the BROWNS or Dolphins but always lurking on the horizon in the swamp......

Pittsburgh Steelers

 

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
Nick Vannett	TE	Nov 20	Questionable	Vannett (illness) didn't practice Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
James Conner	RB	Nov 20	Questionable	Conner (shoulder) didn't practice Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
Diontae Johnson	WR	Nov 20	Questionable	Johnson (concussion) was listed as a full practice participant Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
Bud Dupree	LB	Nov 20	Questionable
JuJu Smith-Schuster	WR	Nov 20	Questionable	Smith-Schuster (knee/concussion) isn't expected to play Sunday against the Bengals, Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com reports.
Anthony Chickillo	LB	Nov 19	Questionable

[mjp28]

And on November 21, 2019 the big picture, oh Cleveland and Pittsburgh are both 100/1.

ODDS TO WIN 2019-20 SUPER BOWL LIV (2/2/20)

Team	Odds
New England Patriots	14/5
New Orleans Saints	4/1
Baltimore Ravens	9/2
San Francisco 49ers	8/1
Kansas City Chiefs	9/1
Green Bay Packers	12/1
Minnesota Vikings	14/1
Seattle Seahawks	16/1
Dallas Cowboys	20/1

[The Gipper]

8 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

THURSDAY MORNING EARLY injury report nothing new on the BROWNS or Dolphins but always lurking on the horizon in the swamp......

Pittsburgh Steelers

 

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
Nick Vannett	TE	Nov 20	Questionable	Vannett (illness) didn't practice Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
James Conner	RB	Nov 20	Questionable	Conner (shoulder) didn't practice Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
Diontae Johnson	WR	Nov 20	Questionable	Johnson (concussion) was listed as a full practice participant Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
Bud Dupree	LB	Nov 20	Questionable
JuJu Smith-Schuster	WR	Nov 20	Questionable	Smith-Schuster (knee/concussion) isn't expected to play Sunday against the Bengals, Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com reports.
Anthony Chickillo	LB	Nov 19	Questionable

Even without these guys, I would still expect the Steelers to win on the strength of their defense alone.  But, one can always hope. 

[The Gipper]

1 minute ago, mjp28 said:

And on November 21, 2019 the big picture, oh Cleveland and Pittsburgh are both 100/1.

ODDS TO WIN 2019-20 SUPER BOWL LIV (2/2/20)

Team	Odds
New England Patriots	14/5
New Orleans Saints	4/1
Baltimore Ravens	9/2
San Francisco 49ers	8/1
Kansas City Chiefs	9/1
Green Bay Packers	12/1
Minnesota Vikings	14/1
Seattle Seahawks	16/1
Dallas Cowboys	20/1

I will be checking into a resort in Las Vegas the day of the Super Bowl.  I will be driving in from Sedona that day, but expect to be in my condo unit before that game starts.  Don't know that I will be able to plop down a wager on the game, as I am not sure where a sports book may be there near where I will be staying.

So, OK, Kenny Rogers....I will be staying at a place on West Tropicana Ave. (about 3 miles west of I-15)   Where is the nearest sports book I can go to to put like $5.00 down on the game? 

[TexasAg1969]

1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

I will be checking into a resort in Las Vegas the day of the Super Bowl.  I will be driving in from Sedona that day, but expect to be in my condo unit before that game starts.  Don't know that I will be able to plop down a wager on the game, as I am not sure where a sports book may be there near where I will be staying.

So, OK, Kenny Rogers....I will be staying at a place on West Tropicana Ave. (about 3 miles west of I-15)   Where is the nearest sports book I can go to to put like $5.00 down on the game? 

$10 or more is the usual minimum last time I knew. Go up N. to W. Flamingo and take a right going E. You will find the Rio and The Palms across from it. Both have sports books.

[The Gipper]

15 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

$10 or more is the usual minimum last time I knew. Go up N. to W. Flamingo and take a right going E. You will find the Rio and The Palms across from it. Both have sports books.

OK, Ten bucks.  (I didn't have to do that much in either Tahoe or Wendover when I was in those places)

But I did check out a map.....both the Excalibur and the NYNY are just down the road, about equidistant.....but, parking issues with those? As for that it would probably just be a run in, make the bet, run out situation.  

[mjp28]

5 hours ago, The Gipper said:

I will be checking into a resort in Las Vegas the day of the Super Bowl.  I will be driving in from Sedona that day, but expect to be in my condo unit before that game starts.  Don't know that I will be able to plop down a wager on the game, as I am not sure where a sports book may be there near where I will be staying.

So, OK, Kenny Rogers....I will be staying at a place on West Tropicana Ave. (about 3 miles west of I-15)   Where is the nearest sports book I can go to to put like $5.00 down on the game? 

$5.00 the parking attendant.

[mjp28]

3 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

$10 or more is the usual minimum last time I knew. Go up N. to W. Flamingo and take a right going E. You will find the Rio and The Palms across from it. Both have sports books.

Yes and tell Diamond Jim there it is 2019 not 1880.  

[mjp28]

Cleveland Browns. FRIDAY EARLY AM REPORT, WR, DE no mention of the TE?  (t

 

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
Jarvis Landry	WR	Nov 21	Questionable	Landry (hip) was a limited participant in Thursday's practice, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
Odell Beckham Jr.	WR	Nov 21	Questionable	Beckham (groin) was a limited participant in Thursday's practice, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
Joe Schobert	LB	Nov 21	Questionable
Joel Bitonio	G	Nov 20	Questionable
Olivier Vernon	DE	Nov 20	Questionable	Vernon (knee) is not participating in Wednesday's practice, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
Eric Murray	S	Nov 19	Doubtful

[mjp28]

Miami Dolphins

 

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
Ryan Fitzpatrick	QB	Nov 21	Questionable	Fitzpatrick (shoulder/forearm) was a limited participant in Thursday's practice, Safid Deen of the South Florida Sun Sentinel reports.
Ken Webster	CB	Nov 20	Questionable	Webster (ankle) practiced on a limited basis Wednesday, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
Taco Charlton	DE	Nov 19	Questionable

[The Gipper]

36 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

Miami Dolphins

 

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
Ryan Fitzpatrick	QB	Nov 21	Questionable	Fitzpatrick (shoulder/forearm) was a limited participant in Thursday's practice, Safid Deen of the South Florida Sun Sentinel reports.
Ken Webster	CB	Nov 20	Questionable	Webster (ankle) practiced on a limited basis Wednesday, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
Taco Charlton	DE	Nov 19	Questionable

So...Fitzpatrick is questionable.

Who would we rather face with a deplete DL:    A somewhat hurting Fitzpatrick....or Rosen?

[mjp28]

FRIDAY AFTERNOON REPORT,  a little thin on defense?

Cleveland Browns

 

NAME	POS	DATE	STATUS	COMMENT
Eric Murray	S	Nov 22	Out	Murray (knee) was ruled out for Sunday's game against the Dolphins, Mary Kay Cabot of The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports.
Joe Schobert	LB	Nov 22	Questionable	Schobert is questionable for Sunday's game against the Dolphins due to a groin injury, Mary Kay Cabot of The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports.
Olivier Vernon	DE	Nov 22	Out	Vernon (knee) is ruled out for Sunday's game against the Dolphins, Scott Petrak of the Elyria Chronicle-Telegram reports.