hammertime Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Any gas companies over there..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 The kurds were an ally and we used them to defeat ISIS in Syria. For that I feel we have an obligation to help them but how far do we want to go? Do we want to go to war with Turkey? I read where we only had about 50 troops or so that we pulled out. 50 troops were never going to stop anyone and were just in harms way. I'm tired of these middle east wars where we are hated by those we are trying to help and end up doing more harm than good. We should support our true friend Israel and stay out of other Muslim countries affairs. After looking at all the facts I now think Trump did the right thing in pulling out of Syria even though I was against it at first. Using economic sanctions against Turkey is the better route to take. Also our republican friends drafted up a petition condemning Trump for pulling out of Syria. Why didn't they ever draft condemnations like this on Obama's watch when he pulled our troops out of Iraq and created a vacuum that ISIS filled? Of course the hypocritical dems who would have supported this pull out if Obama had done it have all signed on to this petition. This is just politics where stupid republicans get played for fools by the dems and their media allies. George Bush's idea of bringing democracy to the middle east was a noble gesture but in hindsight it was foolish. We lost too many lives and trillions of dollars this country can't afford and we are worse now than before. The lesson we should learn is stay out of Muslim countries affairs whenever possible because no matter what we do we will always be the infidels to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 the Kurds are not our ally. They were paid handsomely to fight alongside our troops. They are in no way a responsibility of the USA. They didn’t wake one morning and we were gone either, they’ve known we were leaving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, OldBrownsFan said: The kurds were an ally and we used them to defeat ISIS in Syria. For that I feel we have an obligation to help them but how far do we want to go? Do we want to go to war with Turkey? I read where we only had about 50 troops or so that we pulled out. 50 troops were never going to stop anyone and were just in harms way. I'm tired of these middle east wars where we are hated by those we are trying to help and end up doing more harm than good. We should support our true friend Israel and stay out of other Muslim countries affairs. After looking at all the facts I now think Trump did the right thing in pulling out of Syria even though I was against it at first. Using economic sanctions against Turkey is the better route to take. Also our republican friends drafted up a petition condemning Trump for pulling out of Syria. Why didn't they ever draft condemnations like this on Obama's watch when he pulled our troops out of Iraq and created a vacuum that ISIS filled? Of course the hypocritical dems who would have supported this pull out if Obama had done it have all signed on to this petition. This is just politics where stupid republicans get played for fools by the dems and their media allies. George Bush's idea of bringing democracy to the middle east was a noble gesture but in hindsight it was foolish. We lost too many lives and trillions of dollars this country can't afford and we are worse now than before. The lesson we should learn is stay out of Muslim countries affairs whenever possible because no matter what we do we will always be the infidels to them. All of the troops were SPECOPs. But having them there prevented Turkey or Russia from attempting to attack them. Now they are fair game. Without allies we are fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, hammertime said: the Kurds are not our ally. They were paid handsomely to fight alongside our troops. They are in no way a responsibility of the USA. They didn’t wake one morning and we were gone either, they’ve known we were leaving. They were an ally enough in fighting ISIS. They did the heavy lifting in taking out ISIS in Syria. For that I am glad to see Trump threatening economic sanctions against the Turks. We don't owe them enough to stay in Syria but we owe them enough to do what we can to help them against Turkey and Trump has done that with the threat of massive sanctions against Turkey. Trump I believe has it right. Turkey, Syria and Russia all hate ISIS as much as we do and it is in their interest to keep ISIS from re- forming. We did our job. I am old enough to remember when Reagan had a token force of American soldiers in Lebanon and after about 275 of them were killed in a terrorist bombing he was wise enough to get our troops home out of harms way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 https://bigleaguepolitics.com/revealed-kurdish-pkk-terrorists-were-re-branded-by-obama-officials-to-dupe-the-u-s-public/ Syria is another pumped up lie. US CNN / MSM portray our pullout as abandoning and sacrificing the Kurds. Meanwhile, the CNN Middle East spin is that Turkey is liberating dozens of Villages from the above noted PKK. This later view doesn't support the narrative they're pushing, so we get the food for Mushrooms version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: All of the troops were SPECOPs. But having them there prevented Turkey or Russia from attempting to attack them. Now they are fair game. Without allies we are fucked. Leaving a token force of 50 soldiers in harm's way over there is asking for trouble. Reagan was right to pull our troops out of Lebanon after we lost 275 marines with a terrorist bombing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, hammertime said: the Kurds are not our ally. They were paid handsomely to fight alongside our troops. They are in no way a responsibility of the USA. They didn’t wake one morning and we were gone either, they’ve known we were leaving. The House disagrees with you 354-60, 129 of whom were Republicans. What does that tell you? And what does it tell you the vote may end up being when it reaches the Senate for a vote when the two Major Republican voices are condemning the move in public verbally already? And beyond that when he continues to demean at least one of them what does that say about his chances in an impeachment trial in the Senate? Do they finally stand up and rid the country of this ignorant bumpkin? Do they finally say he has no clothes the way they verbalize it behind closed doors? 4 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: All of the troops were SPECOPs. But having them there prevented Turkey or Russia from attempting to attack them. Now they are fair game. Without allies we are fucked. Yes we are, and in the long run we are gang banged when it comes to trustworthiness as an ally. This was by far the worst I could have expected and I was unfortunately correct. The Russians wanted him in for exactly this reason and he fell on his back like a $130,000 porn star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, TexasAg1969 said: The House disagrees with you 354-60, 129 of whom were Republicans. What does that tell you? And what does it tell you the vote may end up being when it reaches the Senate for a vote when the two Major Republican voices are condemning the move in public verbally already? And beyond that when he continues to demean at least one of them what does that say about his chances in an impeachment trial in the Senate? Do they finally stand up and rid the country of this ignorant bumpkin? Do they finally say he has no clothes the way they verbalize it behind closed doors? Yes we are, and in the long run we are gang banged when it comes to trustworthiness as an ally. This was by far the worst I could have expected and I was unfortunately correct. The Russians wanted him in for exactly this reason and he fell on his back like a $130,000 porn star. We should not have gone to war in Iraq yet we voted for it didn't we? What did we accomplish in Iraq? They are more closely aligned with Iran than ever. We lost too many lives and trillions of dollars and for what? We really need to re-think being the world's policeman and our western allies have shown time and time again they will gladly leave it all to us to do the heavy lifting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 We need allies in the middle east whether you like it or not. Now Russia is sending troops and taking advantage. We never had a large force in Syria. But that is the last place known to have ISIS, whom the Kurds were getting rid of. You can't spend years somewhere then abruptly leave without causing a major vaccum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, OldBrownsFan said: We should not have gone to war in Iraq yet we voted for it didn't we? What did we accomplish in Iraq? They are more closely aligned with Iran than ever. We lost too many lives and trillions of dollars and for what? We really need to re-think being the world's policeman and our western allies have shown time and time again they will gladly leave it all to us to do the heavy lifting. And that would amount to a well thought out major change in policy, not a gut instinct decision based on a phone call to Turkey. And the man in position to actually do such a reevaluation never listens to anyone but his own gut instinct and has chased off all his best advisors and demeans them all as well. The Russians had him pegged as a narcissistic personality disorder and played him like the Fiddler of Rome that he is, just another unbalanced emperor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: The House disagrees with you 354-60, 129 of whom were Republicans. What does that tell you? And what does it tell you the vote may end up being when it reaches the Senate for a vote when the two Major Republican voices are condemning the move in public verbally already? And beyond that when he continues to demean at least one of them what does that say about his chances in an impeachment trial in the Senate? Do they finally stand up and rid the country of this ignorant bumpkin? Do they finally say he has no clothes the way they verbalize it behind closed doors? Yes we are, and in the long run we are gang banged when it comes to trustworthiness as an ally. This was by far the worst I could have expected and I was unfortunately correct. The Russians wanted him in for exactly this reason and he fell on his back like a $130,000 porn star. Looks who protests the most about Syria and you’ll see what motives they have, some look noble on the surface. All this impeachment talk is just a distraction to the Dems complete shitshow going on, prepare for at least 4 more years of Trump and be thankful he’s had the courage to stand up to the corruption that nobody else was willing to take on. Baby steps Tex..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: We need allies in the middle east whether you like it or not. Now Russia is sending troops and taking advantage. We never had a large force in Syria. But that is the last place known to have ISIS, whom the Kurds were getting rid of. You can't spend years somewhere then abruptly leave without causing a major vaccum. Even if you are right Diehard why should this all be left to the United States? Why aren't any of the western European countries who have even more at stake than we do not sending soldiers of their own to help us? Why does it always fall on us? I am tired of this country always being taken advantage of. There is no reason that a multi national force of soldiers should not be there but these countries not doing anything are happy to sit things out and leave it all up to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, hammertime said: and be thankful he’s had the courage to stand up to the corruption that nobody else was willing to take on. Baby steps Tex..... Baby steps for you will be to finally recognize what I have known about him from day one, he is the definition of corruption. Always has been. Follow the money trail. "All roads lead from you to Putin"-she's right. Helsinki! Get that through your brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Even if you are right Diehard why should this all be left to the United States? Why aren't any of the western European countries who have even more at stake than we do not sending soldiers of their own to help us? Why does it always fall on us? I am tired of this country always being taken advantage of. There is no reason that a multi national force of soldiers should be there but these countries are happy to sit things out and leave it all up to us. 9/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: 9/11 And what is the answer to 9/11? An endless war in Afghanistan that has gone on almost 20 years with no end in sight. This country would do well to learn from Israel how to fight terrorism. They rarely do it with costly endless wars. There are better ways to fight terrorism and our 20 year war in Afghanistan shows that better than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Baby steps for you will be to finally recognize what I have known about him from day one, he is the definition of corruption. Always has been. Follow the money trail. "All roads lead from you to Putin"-she's right. Helsinki! Get that through your brain. "Tell Vlad after I am elected I will have more flexibility"....you would have had a heart attack if Trump said that but since it came from Obama you don't even take notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 How about a Syrian's view, you know, someone actually living in the area ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, JAFBF said: I absolutely believe the media lies to us. I have heard it from Israel for a long time that what is being reported here is NOT the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 There is also a biblical side to world events today: GOD warns Iran (Persia), being fully directed, commanded, and controlled by Russia (Magog), along with a coalition of allies (including Turkey) WILL go to war and will attack and invade Israel. http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/Warning 6 Russia Iran Invasion.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, OldBrownsFan said: "Tell Vlad after I am elected I will have more flexibility"....you would have had a heart attack if Trump said that but since it came from Obama you don't even take notice. Nope I never heard it. And if I had I would have been incensed. I've said before I thought Obama was nothing more than a Chicago alderman and was very poor in foreign affairs. But right now he is not president, so stay focused on the fool on the hill who has shown himself to be Putin's Pussy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, OldBrownsFan said: "Tell Vlad after I am elected I will have more flexibility"....you would have had a heart attack if Trump said that but since it came from Obama you don't even take notice. and I'll ask Tex for the THIRD TIME (his politically emotion response was ignoring it the first two times)... TEX - IF YOU WERE STATIONED IN SYRIA...WOULD YOU WANT TO STAY THERE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Nope I never heard it. And if I had I would have been incensed. I've said before I thought Obama was nothing more than a Chicago alderman and was very poor in foreign affairs. But right now he is not president, so stay focused on the fool on the hill who has shown himself to be Putin's Pussy. your really HATE to lose that election. goodness. Blinded by emotion. You NEVER HEARD THIS ??? LOL worship you ObaMao commie all you want. I can't believe you never heard about this. Except facts don't matter - to liberals. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nuclear-summit-obama-medvedev-idUSBRE82P0JI20120326 https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/2012-flashback-obama-whispers-message-putin-after-my-election-ill-have-more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: your really HATE to lose that election. goodness. Blinded by emotion. You NEVER HEARD THIS ??? LOL worship you ObaMao commie all you want. I can't believe you never heard about this. Except facts don't matter - to liberals. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nuclear-summit-obama-medvedev-idUSBRE82P0JI20120326 https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/2012-flashback-obama-whispers-message-putin-after-my-election-ill-have-more Did I say I never heard it? Have I said I don't lie? Are you once again trying your best King Donald misdirection? Sure sounds like it. I never heard it. Period. I never worshiped Obama. Period. You however are blinded by your emotional worship of the King. It blinds you. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: and I'll ask Tex for the THIRD TIME (his politically emotion response was ignoring it the first two times)... TEX - IF YOU WERE STATIONED IN SYRIA...WOULD YOU WANT TO STAY THERE? If I thought it was keeping Russia from furthering Putin's overall goals in the middle east and beyond, you bet my ass I would. And since I do think that Trump's blunder has done just that, it's an emphatic Yes! BTW I made that same decision 49 years ago this month when I voluntarily went to Vietnam. So this is not just talking out my ass tough guy BS. Anyone can say that, but few have actually made the choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 yet, when I say FACTS about Pres Trump's JOB PERFORMANCE, you contradict it with raving belligerent generalizations and slurs that aren't proven to ever be worth a grain of salt. PERIOD. You have heard of it now? I just gave you two links, dude. Or somehow, your hatred just made those little linksies go away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, TexasAg1969 said: If I thought it was keeping Russia from furthering Putin's overall goals in the middle east and beyond, you bet my ass I would. And since I do think that Trump's blunder has done just that, it's an emphatic Yes! BTW I made that same decision 49 years ago this month when I voluntarily went to Vietnam. So this is not just talking out my ass tough guy BS. Anyone can say that, but few have actually made the choice. I know, tough guy, but syria is a far, far different situation. As in, nearly completely different maybe. Our 1500 troops there aren't keeping Russia from anything. They already are completely in with Assad, you goofball. And Assad, Russia and Iran rule most of Syria. Go back and listen to what Col. MacGregor had to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: If I thought it was keeping Russia from furthering Putin's overall goals in the middle east and beyond, you bet my ass I would. And since I do think that Trump's blunder has done just that, it's an emphatic Yes! BTW I made that same decision 49 years ago this month when I voluntarily went to Vietnam. So this is not just talking out my ass tough guy BS. Anyone can say that, but few have actually made the choice. You have earned my respect with your service Tex but I cannot understand how your almost blind hatred for Trump prevents you from seeing all the good things he is doing for this country. I was not a Trump supporter in 2016 but he has won me over by all the good things he has done. He built up our military, he is trying to secure the border, under his watch our economy has done great, he has been excellent on religious rights and pro life issues, he is redoing terrible trade deals and I could go on. What the socialist democrats are wanting to do will destroy this country as we know it. We can't let it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: I know, tough guy, but syria is a far, far different situation. As in, nearly completely different maybe. Our 1500 troops there aren't keeping Russia from anything. They already are completely in with Assad, you goofball. And Assad, Russia and Iran rule most of Syria. Go back and listen to what Col. MacGregor had to say. Sorry but one Col does not overrule one 4 Star Marine Mattis for me. He resigned over this very issue. Trump would not listen to him either. He listened to his "emotional" gut instead. You should be chiding him for that, not glorifying him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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