mjp28 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 WEEK 5 - One man's opinion on the BROWNS in San Francisco in primetime on MNF! The 49ers haven’t adjusted well since moving to Levi’s Stadium in Santa Clara five years ago. The last time San Francisco covered as a home favorite was back in 2014 under Jim Harbaugh. The 49ers are 7-17 ATS in their past 24 home games. The 49ers were idle last week. They are 9-2 with Jimmy Garoppolo under center with the two losses coming on the road to the Vikings and Chiefs. Garoppolo may get to face a Browns secondary that didn’t have starting injured cornerbacks Denzel Ward and Greedy Williams last Sunday. Cleveland regained some of its preseason swagger and got a needed confidence boost with an impressive road victory against the Ravens this past Sunday. Is 3-0 San Francisco just ripe enough to be knocked off like undefeated Baltimore -or- is Cleveland tired and dinged up enough and in another underdog road game and drop below .500? SO what to do? Easy, the BROWNS overdue offensive machine is ready again to test the West Coast niners. Take CLE + 3.5 and the OVER 46 and enjoy Monday Night Football! Are you ready? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 According to Niners Nation there are 6 reasons why SF will beat CLE, here's one....... https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/10/3/20897165/49ers-browns-six-stats-monday-night-football-breida-coleman-deebo The 49ers are 3-0 and are in first place in the NFC West. They’re facing another division leader on Monday Night Football in the Cleveland Browns. Both teams have plenty of talent, but to paraphrase Browns head coach Freddie Kitchens, talent doesn’t mean squat. Numbers never tell the entire story, but let’s take a look at some stats that could let us know more about both teams. 29.94 That’s the average yards per drive for the Browns offense. A Browns offense that features arguably the best wide receiver in the NFL, Jarvis Landry, David Njoku, who is not injured, and a No. 1 overall selection. That’s good for 21st in the NFL. For reference, the 49ers are averaging just under 36 yards per drive, and are seventh in the NFL. The Browns have not been consistent moving the ball against the 14th, 12th, 10th, and 29th ranked defenses per DVOA. So above average defenses, save the Ravens, but neither of those defenses has game-changers. The 49ers have game-changers. The other 5 in link....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 This isn't a must-win game, but it would be a huge win for the Browns. Winning again, on the road on the West Coast against a good team, a week after beating your division rival to move into first place, is the way you start to roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: This isn't a must-win game, but it would be a huge win for the Browns. Winning again, on the road on the West Coast against a good team, a week after beating your division rival to move into first place, is the way you start to roll. Yes last week was pretty much a must win or chase Baltimore all year game. This is a big test on are the BROWNS for real and deserving of all of the preseason playoff and even Superbowl hype. We will find out on Monday Night Football! I think we're ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 And for a cleveland.com view on the matchup they go down memory lane, interesting read. https://www.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/10/3e78cc623b919/cleveland-browns-san-francisco-49ers-history-greatest-players-success-more-by-the-numbers.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 When you compare the history of these two teams one big difference Cleveland hasn't had a HOF player in a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hish747 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 12 hours ago, mjp28 said: When you compare the history of these two teams one big difference Cleveland hasn't had a HOF player in a long time. Unless you count Joe Thomas of course, but I get what you're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, hish747 said: Unless you count Joe Thomas of course, but I get what you're saying. Yeah ol' Joe should be a first ballot guy like Jim Thome for the Tribe. And then there's some very overlooked guys from the 70s and 80s BROWNS teams in the senior picks.....we know who they are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 When you compare the history of these two teams one big difference Cleveland hasn't had a HOF player in a long time. What recent players for the 49ers would be HOFers? 1 or 2 guys...maybe, post Steve Young/Jerry Rice era. And the one that I can think of is Terrell Owens....as undeserving as he may have been. Maybe...Patrick Willis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 minute ago, The Gipper said: When you compare the history of these two teams one big difference Cleveland hasn't had a HOF player in a long time. What recent players for the 49ers would be HOFers? 1 or 2 guys...maybe, post Steve Young/Jerry Rice era. And the one that I can think of is Terrell Owens....as undeserving as he may have been. Maybe...Patrick Willis. I'm comparing the 1980s to the 2000s from their criteria of long or short term 49ers there are several including coach Walsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 2 hours ago, mjp28 said: I'm comparing the 1980s to the 2000s from their criteria of long or short term 49ers there are several including coach Walsh. I know....that is NOT what I asked. Sure, several 49ers from the 80s to mid 90s are worthy...and are in. I am asking about anyone since then. Besides Owens and maybe Patrick Willis.....anyone else from the more recent era qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Gipper said: I know....that is NOT what I asked. Sure, several 49ers from the 80s to mid 90s are worthy...and are in. I am asking about anyone since then. Besides Owens and maybe Patrick Willis.....anyone else from the more recent era qualify. If comparing the two teams from day 1 the closest thing the BROWNS have to the 49ers that didn't play in the BROWNS golden era is only Ozzie Newsome 1990. The niners naturally tailed off some after the Superbowl years with HOF candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 35 minutes ago, mjp28 said: If comparing the two teams from day 1 the closest thing the BROWNS have to the 49ers that didn't play in the BROWNS golden era is only Ozzie Newsome 1990. The niners naturally tailed off some after the Superbowl years with HOF candidates. So....in other words...you have no answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin49 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: I know....that is NOT what I asked. Sure, several 49ers from the 80s to mid 90s are worthy...and are in. I am asking about anyone since then. Besides Owens and maybe Patrick Willis.....anyone else from the more recent era qualify. Frank Gore...if he ever stops playing. 1 Emmitt Smith+ 18,355 1990-2004 2TM 2 Walter Payton+ 16,726 1975-1987 chi 3 Barry Sanders+ 15,269 1989-1998 det 4 Frank Gore 15,021 2005-2019 4TM 5 Curtis Martin+ 14,101 1995-2005 2TM 6 LaDainian Tomlinson+ 13,684 2001-2011 2TM 7 Jerome Bettis+ 13,662 1993-2005 2TM 8 Adrian Peterson 13,408 2007-2019 4TM 9 Eric Dickerson+ 13,259 1983-1993 4TM 10 Tony Dorsett+ 12,739 1977-1988 2TM 11 Jim Brown+ 12,312 1957-1965 cle 12 Marshall Faulk+ 12,279 1994-2005 2TM Only 2 of those guys aren't in the Hall...and that's because they are still playing. Case can be made for Justin Smith or Bryant Young. Of older guys, Roger Craig. He keeps getting on the list every year, but never makes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 Frank Gore good one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 5 hours ago, The Gipper said: So....in other words...you have no answer? I've been hashing this one over, the mentioned ones already T.O. in now, Gore the ageless one for a RB should be, Willis maybe how about Vernon Davis? Had him on a few FL teams put up good numbers. In the post Young/Rice era they hit a dry spell except for a few years and of course the 2012 SB loss amazing how that works losing teams generally don't scream out the great players. Do they have the nucleus now to generate HOF caliber players? We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 Interesting read on Monday's game, it's long the rest in the link....... http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/scoreboard/previews/browns-@-49ers.cfm/date/10-07-19 Preview: Browns (2-2) at 49ers (3-0) Date: October 07, 2019 8:15 PM EDT SANTA CLARA, Calif. (AP) Three straight wins to open the season haven't erased all the doubts that four years of losing created for the San Francisco 49ers. Advertisement There was an ugly win over a perceived also-run in Tampa Bay, a blowout against overmatched Cincinnati and then a mistake-filled victory over Pittsburgh and backup quarterback Mason Rudolph. Now the degree of difficulty starts to get much more difficult, starting with Monday night's home game against a Cleveland Browns team that has shown early signs of being a legitimate contender in the AFC North. 'A lot of people on this team don't get credit they deserve, so Monday we're going to showcase that,' 49ers receiver Marquise Goodwin said. Skepticism surrounding the 49ers (3-0) and Browns (2-2) is warranted based on the recent history. The two franchises were the bottom two in the league over the previous four seasons, with Cleveland winning a league-low 11 games in that span and San Francisco not far ahead with only 17. While a healthy Jimmy Garoppolo at quarterback and a vastly improved defense have transformed the 49ers, the Browns have been a bit more inconsistent this season alternating losses with wins. But they are hoping last week's 40-25 win at Baltimore is a sign of how a star-studded roster led by second-year quarterback Baker Mayfield, dynamic playmakers Odell Beckham Jr. and Nick Chubb, and dominant force Myles Garrett can be different than past Browns teams. 'We came out with a big win this past weekend, and I feel that just the energy is different,' defensive tackle Larry Ogunjobi said. 'You can tell the guys are really fully buying into what we have going on in here and know that everything we want is in front of us. We just have to keep working.' Here are some other things to watch:……….... CONTINUED IN LINK,.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 Things they are a changing well in the NFL that's every week with injuries and suspensions and how about people coming off injuries and suspensions? Well the main issue discusses how the 49ers have been a bad home favorite for a long time. Let’s let them prove they can perform in the role against a stranger that has lots of offensive firepower. The Browns return speedy WR Antonio Callaway to the lineup for the first time this season. He had a four-game suspension. The 49ers suddenly have to account for a guy who caught 43 balls, 5 for TDs, last season, when there was already Odell Beckham, Jr. and Jarvis Landry. Whoa. Look out, now. The 49ers have a nice running game that Cleveland should have problems defending against, but they’ve had their red-zone issues and Cleveland’s offense is certainly more explosive than it already was with Callaway on the field. Nick Chubb is one of the fastest running backs around. Wouldn’t want to be sweating out an Under with all the offensive talent on hand here. SO now what to do? Well take advantage of the new line and take CLE +5 and of course the OVER 46 and enjoy the shootout! Are you ready for some primetime football? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 I'm really curious to know how the Vegas books made out on this game. Did they win lose or break even? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 5 hours ago, mjp28 said: I'm really curious to know how the Vegas books made out on this game. Did they win lose or break even? Well, obviously there was a ton of money on the 49ers to cover. I should have bet the ranch on the Seahawks +2.5, its probably about -2.5 now after that MNF debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 hours ago, hoorta said: Well, obviously there was a ton of money on the 49ers to cover. I should have bet the ranch on the Seahawks +2.5, its probably about -2.5 now after that MNF debacle. Run and make your bet. You can still get the Seahawks in a decent bet here. http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 On 10/4/2019 at 1:38 PM, The Gipper said: When you compare the history of these two teams one big difference Cleveland hasn't had a HOF player in a long time. What recent players for the 49ers would be HOFers? 1 or 2 guys...maybe, post Steve Young/Jerry Rice era. And the one that I can think of is Terrell Owens....as undeserving as he may have been. Maybe...Patrick Willis. Terrell Owens is hardly undeserving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 On 10/3/2019 at 8:52 PM, mjp28 said: When you compare the history of these two teams one big difference Cleveland hasn't had a HOF player in a long time. Not to mention that at least 6... and as many as 8... of these "Browns' HOFers" made their case predominantly with other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Not to mention that at least 6... and as many as 8... of these "Browns' HOFers" made their case predominantly with other teams. I got 12 San Francisco HOFers who also fall in that category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: I got 12 San Francisco HOFers who also fall in that category. 11 by my count... but not here to quibble. What's interesting is the eras that those counts occurred. In our case it was pre-FA; in the 9ers it was post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 10:57 PM, mjp28 said: I'm really curious to know how the Vegas books made out on this game. Did they win lose or break even? Well I did see some information on this game...... Before the game...... Sharp bettors have been all over the Niners, who are consensus 5-point favorites after the line opened at 3 and climbed as high as 5½. The line is at 4½ at Station Casinos, Circa Sports and Wynn Las Vegas sportsbooks. South Point oddsmaker Jimmy Vaccaro tweeted that the book took a $55,000 straight bet on San Francisco minus 3½. The Westgate took a $33,000 straight bet on the Niners minus 4 and CG Technology took sharp bets on them at 3½ and 4. “We’re going to need the Browns,” ........ So I haven't seen any other final numbers but I don't think the sportsbooks made any big money on this game. ON TO CLEVELAND and welcome Seattle on Sunday. GO BROWNS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 15 hours ago, mjp28 said: Well I did see some information on this game...... Before the game...... I'm curious where you go to get that information on actual betting trends and individual big bets. I am going to get on a free betting site with play money this weekend for the NFL and that information would be helpful.👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said: I'm curious where you go to get that information on actual betting trends and individual big bets. I am going to get on a free betting site with play money this weekend for the NFL and that information would be helpful.👍 I'd start with my old http://www.vegasinsider.com. and kind of look around the stories and links. There are sites that chart things like the tick-by-tick line movements and other very detailed things like that. I haven't been there in a long while but I'll look around later. I also watch the day-to-day lines particularly the M ----> T line changes which are the most important of the week, shows where the big and "smart" money is going...... just a guide not ever a sure thing. It's called gambling not sure thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, mjp28 said: I'd start with my old http://www.vegasinsider.com. and kind of look around the stories and links. There are sites that chart things like the tick-by-tick line movements and other very detailed things like that. I haven't been there in a long while but I'll look around later. I also watch the day-to-day lines particularly the M ----> T line changes which are the most important of the week, shows where the big and "smart" money is going...... just a guide not ever a sure thing. It's called gambling not sure thing. Well my play money will all go with the Seahawks on a make or break beginning on the free bet site. Wilson is gonna eat our lunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 39 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Well my play money will all go with the Seahawks on a make or break beginning on the free bet site. Wilson is gonna eat our lunch. A few old but true statements on that game called professional football: "On any given Sunday (or Thursday or Monday) any team can beat any other team". (especially with the spread) "We play to win the game". "That's why they play the game on the field, not on paper". Just try to remember that before you put the rent or grocery money on a team, horse or number. They're all winners right up until it's showtime. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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