***Browns @ Buccaneers Preseason Game Night Thread***

[flyingfooldoug]

It’s preseason so most things suck as far as games go.  

I do like our new HCs sideline demeanor. Calling out a player for sloppy play is a good thing.

 I hate the helmets  They stink, they suck,  look horrible and it’s nothing but a baby Huey hangover. Fuck that Tennessee looking bullshit. 

Im looking forward to the real season. 

 

[TexasAg1969]

5 hours ago, Clevfan4life said:

Vernon alleviated my concerns from his kind of lazy effort against indy....he's ready. 

Plus Lawrence played hungry. I liked that. I'm not worried about this defense, but I am about OL and TE. But I have to remind myself that in all levels of football the offense jelling is always last. I'm glad we have a defense to rely on now until they catch up.

Joseph is history. Seibert just took his job away, which is exactly why we spent such a high draft choice on a kicker. Teams with good kickers just don't do that.

We have to find a way to keep Sheehy on the team. Night and day between him and Johnson on returns.

[Tour2ma]

• D really impressed tonite... Vernon, yes, but Richardson was a force in the middle.
• I believe we have our punt returner... formerly known as "the other Johnson"...

10 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Baker is off a tad.

Looked out of sync to me... seemed to be overampped... like he was rushing everything. He tends to play "fast", but looked like he was in even more of a hurry than usual.

Also seemed to be overthrowing which makes the ball sail high whether we're talkin' MLB or NFL.

9 hours ago, Orion said:

LT Robinson struggled against the quick LB'er.

Was beat cleanly to the inside in PassPro... again. Teams are going to exploit the shit out of this.

[TexasAg1969]

1 minute ago, Tour2ma said:

Was beat cleanly to the inside in PassPro... again. Teams are going to exploit the shit out of this.

OL coach has his work cut out for him before opening day gets here. I'd rather see him beat on the outside rather than the quicker path through the inside. Baker is quick enough on release to counter the outside "win" by pass rushers. Of course I'd rather not see him beat at all, but that won't happen. OTs and TE have to be priorities next draft. I'm not impressed with either at the moment. I know TB is a DL force, so at least we got some good quality practice time in against a superior DL.

[OldBrownsFan]

I was impressed defensively, especially our defensive line. We had five sacks and dominated on the line. Seibert showed why we drafted him and looks to be a pretty good kicker. I was disappointed we had to settle for so many field goals on offense but it is pre-season. It wasn't that long ago I got excited about being undefeated in pre-season and then we didn't win a game in the regular season. I have to remember they aren't playing these games really to win, winning is just a bonus.

[gumby73]

2 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

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Also seemed to be overthrowing which makes the ball sail high whether we're talkin' MLB or NFL.

Agreed..been up watching Replay..got to half, nothing else to see here..1) Baker threw a laser to P.Brown when he had to.. saw Baker only try to throw the ball with any touch only twice, with taking some off..2) Willies dropped it in his bucket on left sideline.. 3) TE D.Harris drops another in back of end zone, with a good high point & both hands on it.4.) Higgins drop in right corner of endzone could have used some off with more air under it.. It really shocks me with Baker.. cause, can ya image the pressure he's seeing at practice with our front 6 or 7 against our OL?.. imo, if Freddie was trying to get the starting OL some confidence with 1 drive in 3rd after practicing against us & Colts? yikes* 

[jiggins7919]

Unfortunately, OL is something we're going to have to deal with all year. The GOOD news is that we had exceptional OL play last year, and we have everyone back except for the stud Zeitler. Furthermore, we have a playcaller who demonstrated the ability of getting the ball out quickly, running it, AND being creative with execution. Oh, we also have a crafty QB that is extremely talented at evading pressure and recognizing pressure, so I think we'll be ok. Did Dorsey royally screw up the RG position? Yep, he did. But...would you rather have Jabril Peppers and Kevin Zeitler, or Olivier Vernon and Odell Beckham? 

I LOVE the fact we didn't look crisp offensively. I want our guys to be humble, ready to work, and fired up for Tennessee. I want some idiot to start blasting off on the radio how Baker doesn't look ready, how he's not really good, and whatever else. I want ALL the negative bullshit because that's what he feeds on. Was Baker on fire last night? Hell no. But he was good enough to throw 2 TD passes that his receivers couldn't haul in. 

[TexasAg1969]

14 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said:

I was impressed defensively, especially our defensive line. We had five sacks and dominated on the line. Seibert showed why we drafted him and looks to be a pretty good kicker. I was disappointed we had to settle for so many field goals on offense but it is pre-season. It wasn't that long ago I got excited about being undefeated in pre-season and then we didn't win a game in the regular season. I have to remember they aren't playing these games really to win, winning is just a bonus.

I'm very happy where we are going defensively. And with all our best receivers and a sharper Baker, I'm sure the O will come along. Which leads me to kicker. Sure we did not get any TDs, but every one of his kicks was a pressure to win the starter kind of kick and every single one was not just good, it was perfectly down the middle between the goal posts. That is something we really never saw with Joseph all last year. Most were barely good and rarely right down the pike. The job is set now IMO.

[OldBrownsFan]

4 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

I'm very happy where we are going defensively. And with all our best receivers and a sharper Baker, I'm sure the O will come along. Which leads me to kicker. Sure we did not get any TDs, but every one of his kicks was a pressure to win the starter kind of kick and every single one was not just good, it was perfectly down the middle between the goal posts. That is not something we really never saw with Joseph all last year. Most were barely good and rarely right down the pike. The job is set now IMO.

After the Indy game I was beginning to hope Dawson might come out of retirement but I think we have found a good kicker in Seibert and that gives me some peace of mind in our kicking game. 

[gumby73]

11 minutes ago, jiggins7919 said:

Unfortunately, OL is something we're going to have to deal with all year. The GOOD news is that we had exceptional OL play last year, and we have everyone back except for the stud Zeitler. Furthermore, we have a playcaller who demonstrated the ability of getting the ball out quickly, running it, AND being creative with execution. 

I'd also give Bob Wylie some credit on playing to Robinson's now failure..Robinson had 1 assignment to not get beat inside off snap. Robinson was seen better when we were winning and Bitonio would sometimes help inside..Campton looks to be putting Robinson on a island to evaluate..   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

[gumby73]

11 hours ago, gumby73 said:

don't get the lowering the head call on Ray-Ray? but we earned the scoreboard 

AG from Texas, I need your replay booth call on this call when ya get to it..I've watched this play many times starting at 2:00 warning to 1:53 left in 4th..Ray gets called for not making contact with crown but only lowering crown..The only crown lowered i can see is the receiver tucking his to protect himself..Ray-Ray runs head up through play making contact with right shoulder pad..big 15 yards from TB's 27, 2nd & 14'ish..  

[hoorta]

13 hours ago, medicineman said:

What a piss poor D on that last drive. They ran all over us, Got a easy first down on 3rd and long, Had no trouble at all from our D that last drive, Were there any starters out there at all?

I've  always said winning  in preseason means our (or their) third string is better. Don't  sweat it,  most of those guys won't make  the  final roster. 

[Clevfan4life]

the scotsman should get the job msinly because his hair, obviously, but also some of the best biceps peak on the team not named vernon. Fuckin highlander can kick a fucking football then throw his shit in there on a form tackle. Job is urs sir.....it had better be.

[Clevfan4life]

also.....why no beckham at all duribg preseason? i mean just a couple deep routes to see wheres he's at than get him out.....no crossing routes or noyhin...we needed to see his timing with bsker

[calfoxwc]

where to start. We have a great new punter. And Seifert may very well have won the job. The offensive line had a very bad game. But their offensive line had a lot worse game. lol

  Oline's tend to jell later than the defenses - I think that's true, anyways. The bad snap - embarrassing, but I think the ball just slipped in his hand and bumped his leg or something.

As much as I thought Corbett was another Bitonio - nope. Wrong. Corbett looked confused and beaten on the sidelines.

The first string defense looks ready to wiin games by themselves. I wonder how Buc fans are worried about the disaster their offense showed with the starters in.

     That pass int call against Wilson - if anyone thinks that call will be made against any team the Browns play in the regular season...

I have an antique worn out tire out in the barn I'll sell em for a thousand bucks. lol

Wr's weren't getting separation, Njoku/OBJ/Landry/Chubb didn't play, don't think Calloway played....

With Vea and Suh (still a stupid dirty player) on the dline, and a few others that can play... I expected the offensive line to have a tougher time - but not that bad a time.

  I think Rico Gathers, TE, 281 lbs...makes the team. More blocking. and he can make a few catches, averaged 15 yards a catch last year. (yup, three catches...)

Johnson seems a lock to make the roster. The Browns needed Ratley out there a lot more.

More than anything else - the Browns needed some adversity. That is a great thing - and will surely convince Dorsey and co. to trade for Trent Williams, and put him at either tackle spot. Whoever was at RG is not Joel Bitonio, we all know that. too bad. There needs to be some changes on the offensive line. I know Suh was there, and Vea is a giant athletic stomping machine...

but the oline should get a rew new faces, time is running short.

Still, exhibition game. Teams have won them all and had disastrous losing seasons, and lost them all and had winning seasons.

Adversity is good. We'll see.

 

[gumby73]

14 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

 Fuckin highlander can kick a fucking football then throw his shit in there on a form tackle. 

He's making somebodies squad..with the air in Denver, the ball may never come down or back in stadium.. Can we at least close the book on our back-up DT's being Devaroe Lawrence & Carl Davis? am seeing not'a from Trevon Coley..

[Clevfan4life]

9 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

He's making somebodies squad..with the air in Denver, the ball may never come down or back in stadium.. Can we at least close the book on our back-up DT's being Devaroe Lawrence & Carl Davis? am seeing not'a from Trevon Coley..

did laurence get any reps against 1's? he can certainly flash through the 2's. ..

i still would have liked mccoy or the dude from GB alongside laurence....davis doesnt look psrticulary strong but also not weak by any means. If we can get our starting DT's to the playoffs healthy, we're in the AFC championship. Richardson and jobi look utterly dominant when they fire out. Interior pressure like they can generate is even more disruptive than edge rush which can be somewhat mitigated sometimes by adjusting pass routes. A big DT in the QB's eyeball consistently is demoralizing

[jiggins7919]

7 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

did laurence get any reps against 1's? he can certainly flash through the 2's. ..

i still would have liked mccoy or the dude from GB alongside laurence....davis doesnt look psrticulary strong but also not weak by any means. If we can get our starting DT's to the playoffs healthy, we're in the AFC championship. Richardson and jobi look utterly dominant when they fire out. Interior pressure like they can generate is even more disruptive than edge rush which can be somewhat mitigated sometimes by adjusting pass routes. A big DT in the QB's eyeball consistently is demoralizing

We consistently heard good things about Devaroe Lawrence, and he was feared to have torn knee ligaments two weeks ago. Freddie walked across the practice facility to give him a hug, and I thought this was telling. First, just how important Lawrence is to our team, and secondly how much Freddie cares for these guys. Obviously the injury was only a scare, and Lawrence will likely make the team. Our podcast boys routinely praised Lawrence for his disruptive play, and I totally agree with you in that middle pressure is more difficult to deal with. Additionally, if middle pressure causes the qb to move backwards...well...he's going to meet Mr. Garrett. Myles does that corner-bend move and gets close so many times, so having a QB move backwards just a few more times a game will equate to more sacks and maybe fumbles. 

Let's be clear, Bucs have a poor OL. That being said, you should be VERY excited to see our DL this year, and it was great to see Olivier Vernon make some plays. It's totally go time.

[Ibleedbrown]

29 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

He's making somebodies squad..with the air in Denver, the ball may never come down or back in stadium.. Can we at least close the book on our back-up DT's being Devaroe Lawrence & Carl Davis? am seeing not'a from Trevon Coley..

I thought Coley flashed a bit the first preseason game, but seems to be back to his old mosh pit self, slamming up against whoever is there to slam up against and churn around for a while.

[Orion]

Lawrence did some nice things at DT

The punter punts the ball high and far......and makes tackles.  Nothing wrong with Colquit...but we can't keep him cos we can't keep 2 punters.

The 5th round pick liquored up kicker probably won the job last night.

#30 Johnson keeps showing that he's not a bad RB.  Even though there was no room to run last night.  He also seems solid on ST.

...I still miss Darren Fells.

[Ibleedbrown]

Got thoroughly through half 1. Made random notes.

Kush watch ‘19: ah, he did ok. Strikes me as a bend but tries not to break guy. Pretty consistently loses ground to a pass rusher but tries to buckle up when he needs to. 3 plays l noted where he pretty much sucked. Ole’d one guy (ironically on the same play Bitonio straight pancaked a dude with authority), he let Nassib get to his outside on another play, and he got Suh trained into Mayfield for another. There were good plays though too. He did like C- grade work this game imo.

Hunt: is no Duke Johnson level blocker in the backfield. A concern l had over Duke gate. He’s more of a chip and release or gets bent backwards kinda guy. Duke could stonewall a guy when he had to.

DeValve: may surprise you but l was kinda impressed by him in the first half. Dude has made significant strides as a blocker, especially in a fullback role. At least 2 plays he did what a good fullback should do and flew to his spot and maintained respectable blocks. Another instance as a TE he got good and low to lay a block. 

Vernon: he’s got moves that’s for sure. 

Chris Smith: man l like Chris Smith. That is all.

 

[bjh2130]

7 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

We have to find a way to keep Sheehy on the team. Night and day between him and Johnson on returns.

I didn't see a night and day difference at all.  D'Ernest made quick cuts when returning punts and got up field in a hurry.  He had a 15 and 16 yard punt return negated by penalties that didn't help him to get the yards he got,  and had another 16 yard punt return that stood. He got 28 yards on his one kick return. I love the DSG story as much as the next guy but his talent isnt a "find a way to keep him" talent.  Any of the Browns teams of the last 10 years, yeah you keep him on the team as a fan favorite because of his story. There wasn't near the talent on those rosters. As great as the 1-4 are in the wide receiver room all have missed time due to injuries or off the field issues.  I want the 5th and 6th wide receivers to be able to produce on offense not just a specialist.

[medicineman]

14 hours ago, The Gipper said:

3rd stringers 

True, but I believe they were playing against other 3rd stringers. Didn't see much of a fight by them. For guys trying to make a spot on the team, I didn't see anybody that will make the team on that final drive, 

[Clevfan4life]

seibert can kick a fucking football in case any of u didnt notice. O know accuracy has been an issue with all of em but just leg strength....that 54 yd'er could have been a record fg if my eyes didnt deceive me where it hit the net. Maybe i need to look at it again but 10 yds extra "for sure" it went and maybe could have been good from further. Plus he hit it high....that kid flattens out the trajectory a hair, while it might be more sysceptible to being blocked, could go 70+ yds. Just a stupid leg.

[Canton Mike]

55 minutes ago, Orion said:

Lawrence did some nice things at DT

The punter punts the ball high and far......and makes tackles.  Nothing wrong with Colquit...but we can't keep him cos we can't keep 2 punters.

The 5th round pick liquored up kicker probably won the job last night.

#30 Johnson keeps showing that he's not a bad RB.  Even though there was no room to run last night.  He also seems solid on ST.

...I still miss Darren Fells.

Orion,

When you & I disagree, we disagree, but when we agree, we REALLY agree!! I agree with every single thing you stated above. I like Colquitt, but he's 34 & Hammer continues to impress. I prefer Johnson over Hilliard. IMO, the TE group probably misses Fells more than we do & I thought he was our #2 catching TE & #1 blocking TE. With Seibert hitting that long one & going 4 for 4 in game conditions, I think he's the guy. We can't live with Joseph missing PATs. Lawrence was a BEAST!

BTW, LB Joe S looked great last night in all phases.

Mike

[Icecube]

Just now, jiggins7919 said:

Unfortunately, OL is something we're going to have to deal with all year. The GOOD news is that we had exceptional OL play last year, and we have everyone back except for the stud Zeitler. Furthermore, we have a playcaller who demonstrated the ability of getting the ball out quickly, running it, AND being creative with execution. Oh, we also have a crafty QB that is extremely talented at evading pressure and recognizing pressure, so I think we'll be ok. Did Dorsey royally screw up the RG position? Yep, he did. But...would you rather have Jabril Peppers and Kevin Zeitler, or Olivier Vernon and Odell Beckham? 

I LOVE the fact we didn't look crisp offensively. I want our guys to be humble, ready to work, and fired up for Tennessee. I want some idiot to start blasting off on the radio how Baker doesn't look ready, how he's not really good, and whatever else. I want ALL the negative bullshit because that's what he feeds on. Was Baker on fire last night? Hell no. But he was good enough to throw 2 TD passes that his receivers couldn't haul in. 

I agree with everything. And this team does need some wake up calls on not being too cocky front or else there is legit fear they will become the 2018 Jags. 

[Icecube]

One bright note is the DL is going to give QBs fits this season, for real. Nothing better than a D who gets mad pressure only needing to send 4. 

[Clevfan4life]

good call on schobert canton....kirksey looked stud too. You guys rem how just a few months we were wondering if lb'er was a weak link in our def? Schobert looks every bit el capitan and his backups oh my goodness. Im actually kind of thinking Wilks should at times drop the 5th DB and bring in Wilson as the 3rd LB'er. I know the 4-2 is wilks thing but jesus get that kid on the field with Schibert and Kirksey. Im sure theres ginna be teams with that ridiculous stretch 3 type power forward at TE that none of our DB's gonna cover right ......put in Mack. 

[The Gipper]

6 hours ago, jiggins7919 said:

Unfortunately, OL is something we're going to have to deal with all year. The GOOD news is that we had exceptional OL play last year, and we have everyone back except for the stud Zeitler. Furthermore, we have a playcaller who demonstrated the ability of getting the ball out quickly, running it, AND being creative with execution. Oh, we also have a crafty QB that is extremely talented at evading pressure and recognizing pressure, so I think we'll be ok. Did Dorsey royally screw up the RG position? Yep, he did. But...would you rather have Jabril Peppers and Kevin Zeitler, or Olivier Vernon and Odell Beckham? 

I LOVE the fact we didn't look crisp offensively. I want our guys to be humble, ready to work, and fired up for Tennessee. I want some idiot to start blasting off on the radio how Baker doesn't look ready, how he's not really good, and whatever else. I want ALL the negative bullshit because that's what he feeds on. Was Baker on fire last night? Hell no. But he was good enough to throw 2 TD passes that his receivers couldn't haul in. 

I think we know who that radio guy will be who will blast Baker with all that.

[The Gipper]

3 hours ago, Clevfan4life said:

also.....why no beckham at all duribg preseason? i mean just a couple deep routes to see wheres he's at than get him out.....no crossing routes or noyhin...we needed to see his timing with bsker

Slight injury...they were taking no chances.  I think the same with Landry and Chubb