El Paso shooter pic here we go again

[MLD Woody]

2 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said:

The fact of the matter is the guy is evil. You  and the liberal media are trying to pretend this guy checks all the boxes of a stereotype right wing white supremacist who is brainwashed with right wing white supremacist views. He doesn't check off all those boxes in fact some of his views listed in that manifesto are left wing progressive views. You don't want to hear that but the truth is what it is. 

If we want to talk about toning down rhetoric I am fine with that but as usual you liberals have your blinders on not seeing your own hateful rhetoric that has lead to violence. All the attacks on ICE agents has likely sprung from the rhetoric of the left and comparing detention camps to concentration camps. All the Trump Derangement Syndrome attacks against Trump supporters has come from the inflammatory language used by the left against this president. Same goes with the left wing nut who tried to kill all those republican congressman was likely influenced by the rhetoric from the left. Sorry you can't have it both ways. Everyone should tone down the rhetoric and both sides are guilty of it, not just one side.

 

You read one blog by one right wing guy and now you're convinced that's the truth because it's the one you want to hear. 

Have you read the manifesto yourself yet?

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Hardly a terrorist.  Just a crazy mellinnial.

[OldBrownsFan]

Just now, MLD Woody said:

You read one blog by one right wing guy and now you're convinced that's the truth because it's the one you want to hear. 

Have you read the manifesto yourself yet?

I find it interesting you don't dispute what I posted from the article but just keep attacking the messenger. Because I haven't read the manifesto (don't want to waste my time on it, I may read it later ) I won't challenge anything you say but the author of the article I posted did read the manifesto and I don't see how you can believe this murderer didn't have some progressive views. On that part I will grant you. This murderer having some progressive views doesn't necessarily make him a full fledged progressive. But he also is not your stereotyped right wing brainwashed white supremacist  either with having some of those progressive liberal views. I'm just stating some things I believe to be true without trying to make any larger point. 

There may be a rise in white nationalism or whatever, I don't know and haven't kept up but I will tell you how things usually have played out in recent history. There will be a KKK meeting called for at a certain city and always the case is you will have about a dozen klansman show up (most of whom are probably related) with thousands of protesters against them and if not for police protection  they would probably be torn limb from limb. Their numbers appear to be so small as to be irrelevant.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

24 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

You read one blog by one right wing guy and now you're convinced that's the truth because it's the one you want to hear. 

Have you read the manifesto yourself yet?

whats the link for this manifesto you keep harping on?

[MLD Woody]

14 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

whats the link for this manifesto you keep harping on?

The thing I'm "harping on"? You mean the central talking point in this entire back and forth?

Hard to make claims about what this guy did and didn't believe when you refuse to read the document where he lays out his belief. 

Looks like it's posted here

 

 

[MLD Woody]

27 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Hardly a terrorist.  Just a crazy mellinnial.

I know you're just popping in here to troll and not contribute anything, but this by definition a terrorist. It may be hard for you to grasp because he looks like you, but he's a terrorist.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Well, since I'm married to a Japanese and have a few 'mixed breed' children, I guess I'm off the hook.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

2 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

I know you're just popping in here to troll and not contribute anything, but this by definition a terrorist. It may be hard for you to grasp because he looks like you, but he's a terrorist.

Hardly.  Just a crazy kid.  

[Clevfan4life]

4 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Well, since I'm married to a Japanese and have a few 'mixed breed' children, I guess I'm off the hook.

u know most of trumps base would call u a nip lover and u and ur family can go back to nip land where ya belong.......right? These people bemoan race mixing constantly....

[OldBrownsFan]

4 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

The thing I'm "harping on"? You mean the central talking point in this entire back and forth?

Hard to make claims about what this guy did and didn't believe when you refuse to read the document where he lays out his belief. 

Looks like it's posted here

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

I know you're just popping in here to troll and not contribute anything, but this by definition a terrorist. It may be hard for you to grasp because he looks like you, but he's a terrorist.

What is the point you want to make Woody? Without looking up the definition of a terrorist you might be right this murderer is a domestic terrorist like a Tim McVeigh but what I doubt is if he belongs to any terrorist group who sponsored this attack. The fact he is in custody though we should get all the questions answered.

[MLD Woody]

Just now, OldBrownsFan said:

 

What is the point you want to make Woody? Without looking up the definition of a terrorist you might be right this murderer is a domestic terrorist like a Tim McVeigh but what I doubt is if he belongs to any terrorist group who sponsored this attack. The fact he is in custody though we should get all the questions answered.

- DH said he wasn't a terrorist

- I already posted the definition of terrorism

- this is by definition terrorism and he is a terrorist

 

The point is pretty clear

[jbluhm86]

3 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said:

The fact of the matter is the guy is evil. You  and the liberal media are trying to pretend this guy checks all the boxes of a stereotype right wing white supremacist who is brainwashed with right wing white supremacist views. He doesn't check off all those boxes in fact some of his views listed in that manifesto are left wing progressive views. You don't want to hear that but the truth is what it is.

You and other right wingers on here seem to have lost the plot of what i've been going on about this whole thread. Any time an illegal immigrant kills an innocent person, he's "Woody's illegal immigrant(s)". Anytime someone does some questionable or horrible shit and happens to be a liberal or a Democrat, you and other right wingers on here paint liberal posters on here and all liberals in with a broad brush as if the fact that someone voted Democrat in the past that we automatically agree with or condone their actions.

But, when someone who's a right-wing, white supremacist blows away a bunch of latino/latina people because of a supposed "hispanic invasion", you and others on here decide that now is the appropriate time for nuanced discussions about political rhetoric and violence. I've simply been pointing out the hypocrisy.

 

3 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said:

...If we want to talk about toning down rhetoric I am fine with that but as usual you liberals have your blinders on not seeing your own hateful rhetoric that has lead to violence.

You're wanting everybody to tone down their rhetoric while calling me and others here "liberals with [our] blinders on" in the same breath. Amazing...

 

3 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said:

...All the attacks on ICE agents has likely sprung from the rhetoric of the left and comparing detention camps to concentration camps. All the Trump Derangement Syndrome attacks against Trump supporters has come from the inflammatory language used by the left against this president. Same goes with the left wing nut who tried to kill all those republican congressman was likely influenced by the rhetoric from the left. Sorry you can't have it both ways. Everyone should tone down the rhetoric and both sides are guilty of it, not just one side.

 

Look, you're beginning to tire me out with all of your cognitive dissonance on this. One moment you're saying that attacks against Trump supporters and republicans is coming from inflammatory political language from the left, and then you turn around and pretend that Trump's and other Republican's anti-immigrant rhetoric has little to nothing to do with a white guy shooting and targeting hispanics almost exclusively because he fears a "hispanic  invasion". So which is it? If political rhetoric inspires violence, then there's no way you can deny a connection between Trump's rhetoric and this shooting.

In fact, lets put you to the test:

Washington Times: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

So, OBF, you tell me: Is Elizabeth Warren and her rhetoric responsible in some way for this dirt bag shooting up people in Dayton? If so, there's no way you can deny Trump and other GOPers' rhetoric being partially responsible for the El Paso shooting as well.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

1 minute ago, jbluhm86 said:

You and other right wingers on here seem to have lost the plot of what i've been going on about this whole thread. Any time an illegal immigrant kills an innocent person, he's "Woody's illegal immigrant(s)". Anytime someone does some questionable or horrible shit and happens to be a liberal or a Democrat, you and other right wingers on here paint liberal posters on here and all liberals in with a broad brush as if the fact that someone voted Democrat in the past that we automatically agree with or condone their actions.

But, when someone who's a right-wing, white supremacist blows away a bunch of latino/latina people because of a supposed "hispanic invasion", you and others on here decide that now is the appropriate time for nuanced discussions about political rhetoric and violence. I've simply been pointing out the hypocrisy.

 

You're wanting everybody to tone down their rhetoric while calling me and others here "liberals with [our] blinders on" in the same breath. Amazing...

 

Look, you're beginning to tire me out with all of your cognitive dissonance on this. One moment you're saying that attacks against Trump supporters and republicans is coming from inflammatory political language from the left, and then you turn around and pretend that Trump's and other Republican's anti-immigrant rhetoric has little to nothing to do with a white guy shooting and targeting hispanics almost exclusively because he fears a "hispanic  invasion". So which is it? If political rhetoric inspires violence, then there's no way you can deny a connection between Trump's rhetoric and this shooting.

In fact, lets put you to the test:

Washington Times: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

So, OBF, you tell me: Is Elizabeth Warren and her rhetoric responsible in some way for this dirt bag shooting up people in Dayton? If so, there's no way you can deny Trump and other GOPers' rhetoric being partially responsible for the El Paso shooting as well.

You're obviously an antifa terrorist😁

[jbluhm86]

8 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

You're obviously an antifa terrorist😁

And your breath obviously smells like cock, if we're going to infer each others private behaviour based off of posts on a political board. 😉

[Vambo]

Castro says 'one person' is responsible for El Paso massacre: 'the shooter'

Shortly after New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker said President Trump is "responsible" for Saturday's deadly mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, another Democratic presidential contender, Julian Castro said "there's one person that's responsible directly" for the massacre -- "and that's the shooter."

[OldBrownsFan]

1 minute ago, jbluhm86 said:

You and other right wingers on here seem to have lost the plot of what i've been going on about this whole thread. Any time an illegal immigrant kills an innocent person, he's "Woody's illegal immigrant(s)". Anytime someone does some questionable or horrible shit and happens to be a liberal or a Democrat, you and other right wingers on here paint liberal posters on here and all liberals in with a broad brush as if the fact that someone voted Democrat in the past that we automatically agree with or condone their actions.

But, when someone who's a right-wing, white supremacist blows away a bunch of latino/latina people because of a supposed "hispanic invasion", you and others on here decide that now is the appropriate time for nuanced discussions about political rhetoric and violence. I've simply been pointing out the hypocrisy.

Is this murderer so right wing?..from what I read he is all over the map neither conservative or liberal..he is a nutcase

 

You're wanting everybody to tone down their rhetoric while calling me and others here "liberals with [our] blinders on" in the same breath. Amazing...

If you cannot acknowledge the hateful rhetoric on your side than you are either ignorant or dishonest.

 

Look, you're beginning to tire me out with all of your cognitive dissonance on this. One moment you're saying that attacks against Trump supporters and republicans is coming from inflammatory political language from the left, and then you turn around and pretend that Trump's and other Republican's anti-immigrant rhetoric has little to nothing to do with a white guy shooting and targeting hispanics almost exclusively because he fears a "hispanic  invasion". So which is it? If political rhetoric inspires violence, then there's no way you can deny a connection between Trump's rhetoric and this shooting.

I can point to specific hateful things from the left that likely has inspired violence such as referring to detention camps as concentration camps. Are you telling me that calling it an invasion when thousands of illegal immigrants are breaking down barriers and illegally entering into a county as an invasion is hate speech? Not seeing it. Give me some specific examples and I will answer it but just referring to illegal immigration as being an invasion is telling the truth, nothing hateful about it.

In fact, lets put you to the test:

Washington Times: Dayton shooter reportedly supported gun control, Elizabeth Warren, and socialism

So, OBF, you tell me: Is Elizabeth Warren and her rhetoric responsible in some way for this dirt bag shooting up people in Dayton? If so, there's no way you can deny Trump and other GOPers' rhetoric being partially responsible for the El Paso shooting as well.

Found out the murderer in Dayton was hailing satan on twitter and wanted to kill as many people as possible to get to hell quicker. There is your answer for that "dirt bag"

 

[OldBrownsFan]

11 minutes ago, Vambo said:

Castro says 'one person' is responsible for El Paso massacre: 'the shooter'

Shortly after New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker said President Trump is "responsible" for Saturday's deadly mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, another Democratic presidential contender, Julian Castro said "there's one person that's responsible directly" for the massacre -- "and that's the shooter."

That is the bottom line...I think politicians should tone down their rhetoric at times but let's not take away personal responsibility. 

 

 

[Vambo]

Trump declares 'hate has no place in our country,' as Dems demand Congress return from summer recess

[Clevfan4life]

17 minutes ago, Vambo said:

Castro says 'one person' is responsible for El Paso massacre: 'the shooter'

Shortly after New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker said President Trump is "responsible" for Saturday's deadly mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, another Democratic presidential contender, Julian Castro said "there's one person that's responsible directly" for the massacre -- "and that's the shooter."

castro is one of tge more sensible guys running for potus

[OldBrownsFan]

2 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

castro is one of tge more sensible guys running for potus

I wouldn't go that far but that is one of the more sensible statements concerning the shooting in El Paso.

[calfoxwc]

4 minutes ago, Vambo said:

Trump declares 'hate has no place in our country,' as Dems demand Congress return from summer recess

" Trump pointed to a mental illness problem in the U.S., calling the shooters "really very seriously mentally ill."

That is the FACT. The dems need to stop with their revolutionary corrupt crap, and try to actually solve the problem, and stop with the "don't let a crisis go to waste" in their bid for permanent political power over America.

[calfoxwc]

I suppose woody would think he and his peers are a threat to society.

this mentally ill person was brilliant at math...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski

oh, crap. he went to Michigan.......

"In 1962, Kaczynski enrolled at the University of Michigan, where he earned his master's and doctoral degrees in mathematics in 1964 and 1967, respectively. Michigan was not his first choice for postgraduate education; he had also applied to the University of California, Berkeley, and the University of Chicago, both of which accepted him but offered him no teaching position or financial aid. Michigan offered him an annual grant of $2,310 (equivalent to $19,343 in 2018) and a teaching post.^[24]"

[MLD Woody]

Has Trump called this terrorism yet? Remember when you would all lose your shit when Obama didn't immediately call things terrorism?

[MLD Woody]

Keep deflecting Cal. I realize it must be hard seeing yourself in a terrorist

[calfoxwc]

We need to focus on mental illness, folks, not the continual leftwing political harpy about maybe 150 million good, decent American people who have guns, to take away their GOD GIVEN rights to have their guns.

solve the problem, stop trying to gain politically from it.

[TexasAg1969]

4 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

 

 

Donald J. Trump

20 hrs · 

Today’s shooting in El Paso, Texas was not only tragic, it was an act of cowardice. I know that I stand with everyone in this Country to condemn today’s hateful act. There are no reasons or excuses that will ever justify killing innocent people. Melania and I send our heartfelt thoughts and prayers to the great people of Texas.

I thought it was a good statement and a real change point if he starts to apply it at rallies to quell some of the hateful chanting. I think he can do that without losing his base. He just needs to be convinced of it as well.

[FairHooker11]

i think the 21 yr old shooter had help writing that "manifesto"  

how can a cold blooded murderer  write a clear concise detailed record like that? 

wondering how sickeningly evil this plot will become by revelation to another motive

 

[Clevfan4life]

1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said:

I thought it was a good statement and a real change point if he starts to apply it at rallies to quell some of the hateful chanting. I think he can do that without losing his base. He just needs to be convinced of it as well.

woody made a good point...called it "cowardice". Conservatives would furiously ride some suctioned off tower dongs if Obama didn't immediately condemn all of Islam. The double standards just roll in like a coal train. 

[Vambo]

39 minutes ago, FairHooker11 said:

i think the 21 yr old shooter had help writing that "manifesto"  

how can a cold blooded murderer  write a clear concise detailed record like that? 

wondering how sickeningly evil this plot will become by revelation to another motive

 

 

This sounds like leftest talking points for gun control and banning of the AR15.

[Clevfan4life]

16 minutes ago, Vambo said:

 

This sounds like leftest talking points for gun control and banning of the AR15.

actually this reads like a Friday night discussion at ammoland or fuck me any other gun enthusiast digital internet shithole. They're always talking shop exactly like this. Fire rate, functionality, round capacity etc, etc.