Nero Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said: The board is bending at the seams to crack off some gay jokes and you are not making it easy to hold back. I've been thinking the same for a while. I'm not sending any pictures, Clev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 hours ago, The Gipper said: That’s not the reason. He would be running over and around those 300 pounders today. He was bigger faster stronger than any running back playing today’s game Nostalgia Gipper. Regarding Jim Brown. You watch those highlights, and tackling technique back then was atrocious compared to today. No he's not, and wouldn't be. Freak of nature in his era, as Jim Thorpe was a few decades earlier. Nick Chubb is 5 pounds difference. Bo Jackson was essentially the same player, and we know how that turned out. Bo supposedly ran a 4.2, and I seriously doubt Brown was any faster. Jim wouldn't be running over 300 pound DL either. There were maybe 3 (if that) in the entire NFL the years Brown played. He might be able to run around them, but he'd be running into linebackers that were every bit as big, or bigger than he was- and damn near as fast. Remember Jim's battles with Same Huff? Funny- one of the few LBs of the early 60s who was the same size as Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 11 hours ago, The Gipper said: That’s not the reason. He would be running over and around those 300 pounders today. He was bigger faster stronger than any running back playing today’s game If Henry runs through us like butter in game one I'm blaming you for putting the jinx on us.🙀😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 hours ago, hoorta said: Nostalgia Gipper. Regarding Jim Brown. You watch those highlights, and tackling technique back then was atrocious compared to today. No he's not, and wouldn't be. Freak of nature in his era, as Jim Thorpe was a few decades earlier. Nick Chubb is 5 pounds difference. Bo Jackson was essentially the same player, and we know how that turned out. Bo supposedly ran a 4.2, and I seriously doubt Brown was any faster. Jim wouldn't be running over 300 pound DL either. There were maybe 3 (if that) in the entire NFL the years Brown played. He might be able to run around them, but he'd be running into linebackers that were every bit as big, or bigger than he was- and damn near as fast. Remember Jim's battles with Same Huff? Funny- one of the few LBs of the early 60s who was the same size as Brown. Jim Brown would still be the best running back in the game if he played today based on his size speed and strength period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said: If Henry runs through us like butter in game one I'm blaming you for putting the jinx on us.🙀😁 Henry couldn’t hold Jim Brown’s jockstrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 31 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Henry couldn’t hold Jim Brown’s jockstrap. no more further silly questions, your retired honor 🔨 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 55 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Henry couldn’t hold Jim Brown’s jockstrap. double-down jinx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 hours ago, The Gipper said: Jim Brown would still be the best running back in the game if he played today based on his size speed and strength period. Not saying JB wouldn't. My point being Brown was a man among boys in his era. Today, he's just another man among other men. He's not running over guys like JJ Watt or Aaron Donald. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 14 hours ago, Ibleedbrown said: The board is bending at the seams to crack off some gay jokes and you are not making it easy to hold back. not sure how a thread about jobi seemingly getting under DT weight is pressing the "gayzone".....but clevfan is not one to pass up an opportunity when its presented. So, as anyone who's played in the trenches can attest....u gotta have ass if ur gonna survive down there. Can we get Tiamat to surrepetitiously take pictures of jobi's backside for a definitive conclusion on whether he's lost too much weight? We're def creeping toward the deep end here but its for the "research". When it comes to OL and DL....an old wiseman, circa 1992. said it best... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 13 hours ago, gumby73 said: no more further silly questions, your retired honor 🔨 No I am not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 9 hours ago, hoorta said: Not saying JB wouldn't. My point being Brown was a man among boys in his era. Today, he's just another man among other men. He's not running over guys like JJ Watt or Aaron Donald. He would as much as anyone today would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Gipper said: He would as much as anyone today would Again Gipper- regarding JB. Don't live off of nostalgia. You don't see any running backs giving guys piggy back rides for 10 yards into the end zone anymore. Do you? Brown would actually have had to work out (from reports I've seen, very little) , but the overall improvement in his condition wouldn't come close to the overall improvement in conditioning, technique, (and size) of the opposition. Adrian Peterson good? Sure. HOF good? Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 8 hours ago, hoorta said: Again Gipper- regarding JB. Don't live off of nostalgia. You don't see any running backs giving guys piggy back rides for 10 yards into the end zone anymore. Do you? Brown would actually have had to work out (from reports I've seen, very little) , but the overall improvement in his condition wouldn't come close to the overall improvement in conditioning, technique, (and size) of the opposition. Anyone who can't see JB in these 4 successive runs starting at 1:51 mark is not paying attention to what he's been doing most recently. We must treat him as if he is that good when he comes to town game one or we will lose. Just sayin'! And want to see an 11 yd. run thru traffic down to the 2 with a TD next? Then go to the 3:34 mark. Scary how good he is getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 10 hours ago, hoorta said: Again Gipper- regarding JB. Don't live off of nostalgia. You don't see any running backs giving guys piggy back rides for 10 yards into the end zone anymore. Do you? Brown would actually have had to work out (from reports I've seen, very little) , but the overall improvement in his condition wouldn't come close to the overall improvement in conditioning, technique, (and size) of the opposition. Adrian Peterson good? Sure. HOF good? Ditto. his conditioning would’ve matched that of his opponents just like his nutritional habits would’ve match those up to today’s standards. Again sure 350 pound lineman probably won’t be getting a piggyback ride from him but he would still as I said and I repeat as I said he would still be the best back in the game today even if he isn’t running over 350 pound linemen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said: Anyone who can't see JB in these 4 successive runs starting at 1:51 mark is not paying attention to what he's been doing most recently. We must treat him as if he is that good when he comes to town game one or we will lose. Just sayin'! And want to see an 11 yd. run thru traffic down to the 2 with a TD next? Then go to the 3:34 mark. Scary how good he is getting. That doesn’t look like Jim Brown to me. And you may be all over Derek Henry’s chrome dome but right now I don’t know that he ranks in the top 10 current running backs. He would not be given the same rating as Zeke Elliott or Saquon Barkley or Gurley or maybe a number of other guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 The bigger question is if Ali would've beaten Tyson........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 1 hour ago, D Bone said: The bigger question is if Ali would've beaten Tyson........... 21 yr old mike.....Ali has no chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 Tyson couldn't wipe Ali's ass! Just an old man's opinion & I saw them both in their primes. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 24 minutes ago, Canton Mike said: Tyson couldn't wipe Ali's ass! Just an old man's opinion & I saw them both in their primes. Mike ali couldnt hit mikes head movement. If tyson caught him and ali went rope a doping....tyson would chop through that guard. Other men ali faced hit as hard as mike but not in such quick succession...they had to load up their power unlike mike who could uncork multiple bombs nano seconds apart that had no dropoff in power. Only way ali would win is if he lirerally turned his back and ran for 12 rounds. Mike in his prime was just something that was never seen before and not seen since in the HW division. whsts freakish is that tyson never lifted weights in his prime..before his jail stint. Just 1000's of pushups, pullups and situps daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Clevfan4life said: ali couldnt hit mikes head movement. If tyson caught him and ali went rope a doping....tyson would chop through that guard. Other men ali faced hit as hard as mike but not in such quick succession...they had to load up their power unlike mike who could uncork multiple bombs nano seconds apart that had no dropoff in power. Only way ali would win is if he lirerally turned his back and ran for 12 rounds. Mike in his prime was just something that was never seen before and not seen since in the HW division. whsts freakish is that tyson never lifted weights in his prime..before his jail stint. Just 1000's of pushups, pullups and situps daily. Float like a butterfly sting like a bee. No one could catch Ali in his prime let alone get a good shot on him. He did the rope a dope late in his career in horrendous tropical weather. And he had a great long left jab that kept opponents from getting close as well as those quick legs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Float like a butterfly sting like a bee. No one could catch Ali in his prime let alone get a good shot on him. He did the rope a dope late in his career in horrendous tropical weather. And he had a great long left jab that kept opponents from getting close as well as those quick legs. Yep! He also had the fastest hands I ever saw. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 25 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Float like a butterfly sting like a bee. No one could catch Ali in his prime let alone get a good shot on him. He did the rope a dope late in his career in horrendous tropical weather. And he had a great long left jab that kept opponents from getting close as well as those quick legs. i know what ali was...carreer wise he's the goat, hands down. My point is had dmato not died and don king got his hands on mike.....this wouldnt be much of a discussion. Post jail mike lost his head movement which was more important than his power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 Everyone has a plan until they are hit in the face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 18 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: Anyone who can't see JB in these 4 successive runs starting at 1:51 mark is not paying attention to what he's been doing most recently. We must treat him as if he is that good when he comes to town game one or we will lose. Just sayin'! And want to see an 11 yd. run thru traffic down to the 2 with a TD next? Then go to the 3:34 mark. Scary how good he is getting. I'm seeing more of Marshawn Lynch than JB. Sure, he's good and will have to be game planned for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 5 hours ago, hoorta said: I'm seeing more of Marshawn Lynch than JB. Sure, he's good and will have to be game planned for. Except he has another gear when he gets past the LBs. You can see it in that play down the sidelines to the left out of the Wild-cat when he bounces it left, stiffarms and then puts on the jets. Starts at the 1:54 mark. Lynch does not have that extra gear. It's those long strides that make it very deceptive, but just look at the speed compared to those trying to knock him out of bounds. Those are not slow players he flies by. That is where he reminds me more of Eric Dickerson and his long deceptive strides that accelerated him past people downfield. Henry is not quite as fast, but nobody had Dickerson's 7th gear except Bo. 6th gear works just fine for Henry in the open field. It's as fast as most DBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 On 8/1/2019 at 7:00 PM, Clevfan4life said: ali couldnt hit mikes head movement. Joe Frazier would beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Joe Frazier would beg to differ. no disrespect to smokin joe...but that smoke movement doesnt compare to mikes peekaboo style. In his prime mind you.....mike tyson was one of the greatest athletes in history. That core dip and bend he had while at the same time being able to fire cannon rounds out of those off angles, nobody in the hw division was ever like that. Dempsey was the closest. I rank Dempsey right up there with Tyson and Ali...he would have given both a heck of a fight despite being a 185'er. Dmato found his perfect muse in Mike. That dude at 17 looked like a 30 yr old athlete in his prime.....no disrespect to the overall goat, but i just dont see Ali winning more than 1 out of 3 fights against Mike in his prime. He certainly wouldnt have been intimidated by mike tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Mike Tyson may have been the most overrated heavyweight champ in history. Who worth anything did he ever beat? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 18 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: Dempsey was the closest. I shook Dempsey's hand once. I was 7-ish on a trip to NYC and one nite the family ate at "his" restaurant. I still remember how small he made me feel. My other famous boxer handshake? Ali. He spoke at CWRU when I went there. The man had massive hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: I shook Dempsey's hand once. I was 7-ish on a trip to NYC and one nite the family ate at "his" restaurant. I still remember how small he made me feel. My other famous boxer handshake? Ali. He spoke at CWRU when I went there. The man had massive hands. People forget that Liston was the killer/mauler Tyson-like fighter of Ali's day and Ali (as Clay) just danced around him like a bantamweight throwing out that stinging left jab until Liston just gave up. Even just put the left in his face to keep him at bay like a RB using a stiff-arm. Ali was actually much bigger than most people realize because he didn't move like a really big guy at all in his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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