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14 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Are you saying he may be dumped even without a trade?  

 

Yep.

 

The Bucs need space just to sign rookies. General consensus is he and, or JPP are gone. They need approx 9-11 mil depending upon who you believe to sign their draft class. 

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I would not trade any 2020 picks for this guy.  The 2020 draft will be one of the deepest in recent memory.. there will be a starter or two drafted in round 4 next year.

Bucs clear McCoy's entire 13M salary off their books if they cut him before 6/1, which is probably what they'd do. The 13 is all base - no workout/roster/etc bonus, and none of it is guaranteed.

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On 5/1/2019 at 10:38 PM, Unsympathetic said:

I would not trade any 2020 picks for this guy.  The 2020 draft will be one of the deepest in recent memory.. there will be a starter or two drafted in round 4 next year.

Bucs clear McCoy's entire 13M salary off their books if they cut him before 6/1, which is probably what they'd do. The 13 is all base - no workout/roster/etc bonus, and none of it is guaranteed.

Rumor of McCoy being a 2019 Cap casualty started back in January. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-gerald-mccoy-could-be-released-by-the-tampa-bay-buccaneers

As for his salary, it's also oversized for the player he is today. While still solidly above average, he is no longer the monster than finished out his rookie deal. And there are two more years on the deal... also non-guaranteed. Looks to be a prime restructure candidate... something our 2019 space would allow us to do.

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Some twitter reports are saying this is progressing

 

Orange and Brown Rpt @TheOBR 37s38 seconds ago

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Gerald McCoy to the #Browns? One analyst would be stunned if it didn't happen https://buff.ly/2PLKPK9 

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22 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Rumor of McCoy being a 2019 Cap casualty started back in January. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-gerald-mccoy-could-be-released-by-the-tampa-bay-buccaneers

As for his salary, it's also oversized for the player he is today. While still solidly above average, he is no longer the monster than finished out his rookie deal. And there are two more years on the deal... also non-guaranteed. Looks to be a prime restructure candidate... something our 2019 space would allow us to do.

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Well said!  Believe it or not, it was frequently brought up on local radio throughout 2018 when his career wear and tear was sidelining him once again.  A big part of his depreciation on the field is he's never healthy enough to get back in some semblance of the football shape he used to be in.  I'm thinking their FO pretty much had this in mind when they drafted Vita Vea out Cal in round 1 last year.  The radio hosts are constantly reminding callers that making 6 Pro Bowls for the Bucs when healthy isn't exactly pond scum.  I'm guessing social media isn't giving him the kinder, gentler either...  Right now, the Bucs are so financially challenged in their cap that they can't sign anyone without removing McCoy's cap hit from what's being said.    When their salary cap is at check mate with a 5-11 record, their fans gotta realize there's way bigger problems than 1 symptom (McCoy).  They might have to put Carl Nassib in charge of their cap; and that ain't good...

All that said, I think we should go after him after Tampa has to cut him.   He wouldn't start over Richardson or Ogunjobi; but he could give us reliable depth/rotation reps with fresh legs.  I remember back in the 1978 when we had Greg Pruitt, Cleo Miller and a young Mike Pruitt - we signed a 31 year old Calvin Hill who many were calling Calvin Over-the-Hill due to his bad knees and overall wear and tear.  However, whenever we called on him - he ended up contributing 7 TDs (6 pass 1 run), 623 yards from scrimmage and the most yards receiving per game from any of our RBs.  He was a much better story here than his book cover promoted at the time.  Maybe it's just the fan in me talking; but I think McCoy can bring a very similar reliability to the same career back to the wall situation Hill came out of.  Reading and hearing all the hate after 6 Pro Bowl efforts puts a very talented football player back into a something to prove mentality.  I wouldn't mind us being the beneficiary of that kind of thang.

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On 4/30/2019 at 1:10 AM, Nero said:

They drafted Vita Vea as DT last year in the firat round I believe.

Exactly. They did draft DT Vita Vea  in round 1 of 2018. Ironically, he had a nagging leg injury that kept him sidelined for the first 5-6 weeks or so. Then he had to gradually increase his reps. Near the end of the season - he started to look like the solid starter they hoped he'd be.  More irony?  He might even be better suited to play NT when they switch to a 3-4 under Todd Bowles in 2019. He's not Buster Hymen with the penetration; but he'll fill 2 gaps real good according to Miss Behavin...

 

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1 hour ago, Flugel said:

Exactly. They did draft DT Vita Vea  in round 1 of 2018. Ironically, he had a nagging leg injury that kept him sidelined for the first 5-6 weeks or so. Then he had to gradually increase his reps. Near the end of the season - he started to look like the solid starter they hoped he'd be.  More irony?  He might even be better suited to play NT when they switch to a 3-4 under Todd Bowles in 2019. He's not Buster Hymen with the penetration; but he'll fill 2 gaps real good according to Miss Behavin...

 

This really doesn't matter so much anymore under Bowles.    He's a 1gap aggressive disciple kind of like Rex Ryan minus being so rigid in his player assignments - Heck of a defensive mind.    

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21 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

This really doesn't matter so much anymore under Bowles.    He's a 1gap aggressive disciple kind of like Rex Ryan minus being so rigid in his player assignments - Heck of a defensive mind.    

Good point Tia!  Bowles DOES use a lot of 1 gap in his 3-4 especially when he's had the personnel to green light it.  For example, when he took over the DC position in Arizona - he made a lot of guys upfront really happy he didn't square peg the round hole Horton preferred to do all the time.  Your better Coordinators don't stay married to 1 scheme for an alignment.  That was a big reason he was hired by the Jets that got stale with Rex's preferred schematics in the 3-4. Bowles will vary the 1-gap vrs 2-gap schemes up front depending on personnel as well wide side of field/formations faced.  Pettine said he didn't always agree with Rex when he was his DC either. 

All that said, Vita Vea will be on the Nose in Tampa. Now I have to edit the rest because I got it all wrong yesterday. Vea isn't best suited for 2 gap Meat and Greet at line of scrimmage.  He's actually best suited for 1 gap Beat and Eat in the backfield. Here's the pre-draft scouting report reflecting this:

 

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  • Vita Vea, 6-5/332
     
  • Defensive Tackle
     
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Vita Vea Scouting Report
By Charlie Campbell

 

Strengths:

  • Surprising athleticism
  • Explosive defender
  • Good instincts
  • Very disruptive
  • Physical force at the point of attack
  • Tough run defender who can hold his gap
  • Excellent run defender
  • Good burst off the snap
  • Has some pass-rushing skills
  • Collapses the pocket
  • Can destroys guards and centers with a bull rush
  • Flashes speed to run by them
  • Very strong
  • Very quick for his size
  • Closes well for a heavy tackle
  • Ability to shed blocks
  • Frees up edge rushers, linebackers
  • Can play with good leverage
  • Uses bull rush to push the pocket
  • Perfect fit as a 3-4 nose tackle
  • Good fit as a 4-3 tackle
  • Eats up double teams
  • Good motor
  • Gives a second effort
  • Awareness
  • Upside
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On 5/1/2019 at 9:58 PM, Axe said:

Yep.

 

The Bucs need space just to sign rookies. General consensus is he and, or JPP are gone. They need approx 9-11 mil depending upon who you believe to sign their draft class. 

Indeed they do, maybe dump both. They're at a negative $13 million according to Spotrac, dumping McCoy at least clears that up.  The scary thing from a Browns perspective is with all the (pricey) talent Dorsey brought in- is we can finally say "We're #1!!!"   in active contract dollars. Not kidding.   

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1 hour ago, hoorta said:

Indeed they do, maybe dump both. They're at a negative $13 million according to Spotrac, dumping McCoy at least clears that up.  The scary thing from a Browns perspective is with all the (pricey) talent Dorsey brought in- is we can finally say "We're #1!!!"   in active contract dollars. Not kidding.   

The amazing thing is Jason Licht still has His GM job with Bucs considering he has a 27-53 record during his tenure with the Bucs AND has guided them into Cap Hell..

I am a Bucs and Browns fan.. I have much higher hopes for the Browns this yr.. The league has already apologized to the Bucs for their schedule this yr :( They are away from home for 6 weeks including 2 west coast trips and a fooking home game in London..  Week 3, The Browns will beat the Bucs in Tampa.

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4 minutes ago, Axe said:

There's a shocker ;)

Bucfuckened the Bucs are ....

LOL ^^ you were so right..twitter has gone ape'chit 🐵 no wonder Bruce Arians only job was for Cleveland;)

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jay glazer thinks 7-9M he will go to a team set-up to win now. McCoy waffled that volley with, he wants to play 3 to 4 more years.. there's some 'agent up' talk for ya

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So.. we sit 4th in cap space 33.3M..#3 the 49'ers= 35.3M..#2 the Texans= 41M & Indy #1 with = 58.5M..Some rookies are not all signed, so numbers may flux.The Colts certainly do have a need at DT & their media is all over this already.. McCoy has been working out in Cali & is ready to roll..Most Vet Camps don't start till June..stay tuned

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9 minutes ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said:

OBJ said “Cleveland” on the reported news👀  It wouldn’t hurt to add a guy like McCoy at the right price

it would make our DL rotation stupid. Plus it would also allow us to run 34 looks...have a few games where Myles and Vernon aren't in there all the time. We have a big 2 gap NT so those 3 DL rotating in would be a nice change of looks and give some of our 43 guys a break on reps. 

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Not many 2019 "contenders" with McCoy cap space... maybe Eagles or Seahawks.

Then it's a handful of "teams on the rise".

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On 4/29/2019 at 9:03 PM, gumby73 said:

 This would make all the sense in the browns world, why we did not draft a DT.  Not much sense in TB. 1) Bucs did not draft or add a FA DT to replace McCoy. 2) Added 3 LB's in FA period. And grabbed the best LB in the draft Devin White to play behind McCoy to keep off said LB'ers. 3) Bucs drafted zero, much needed RB help either..McCoy is 31..

I would be very surprised.

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Pats just resigned Edelman & Shelton.(team friendly of course, just as J. Collins) Brady was up next but man they are expecting more chicken salad from Scarneckia now with both Tackle positions very slim..If McCoy wants to start & play he goes to Saints,Colts,Rams or Philly next to Flecher Cox (what a nightmare) He could choose rotational teams, with about 5 more clubs including us..

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https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/browns/report-myles-garrett-says-browns-dont-need-gerald-mccoy-happy-with-current-defensive-tackles

I agree with Myles. Besides, if all he wants to do with go with a team that is winning already ....heck with him.

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Yeah, well, Myles thought Ogbah was just fine also.  He doesn't seem to follow Dorsey's train of thought that competition makes you better.

3 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/browns/report-myles-garrett-says-browns-dont-need-gerald-mccoy-happy-with-current-defensive-tackles

I agree with Myles. Besides, if all he wants to do with go with a team that is winning already ....heck with him.

 

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5 hours ago, choco said:

Dude played 9 years for a doormat team, who thanked him by releasing him. Once money is made, what's wrong with wanting a ring?

Nothing...the problem is that he apparently is using ancient thinking that the Browns are not a team that could challenge for a title.

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