Axe Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Are you saying he may be dumped even without a trade? Yep. The Bucs need space just to sign rookies. General consensus is he and, or JPP are gone. They need approx 9-11 mil depending upon who you believe to sign their draft class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 I would not trade any 2020 picks for this guy. The 2020 draft will be one of the deepest in recent memory.. there will be a starter or two drafted in round 4 next year. Bucs clear McCoy's entire 13M salary off their books if they cut him before 6/1, which is probably what they'd do. The 13 is all base - no workout/roster/etc bonus, and none of it is guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 3, 2019 Report Share Posted May 3, 2019 On 5/1/2019 at 10:38 PM, Unsympathetic said: I would not trade any 2020 picks for this guy. The 2020 draft will be one of the deepest in recent memory.. there will be a starter or two drafted in round 4 next year. Bucs clear McCoy's entire 13M salary off their books if they cut him before 6/1, which is probably what they'd do. The 13 is all base - no workout/roster/etc bonus, and none of it is guaranteed. Rumor of McCoy being a 2019 Cap casualty started back in January. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-gerald-mccoy-could-be-released-by-the-tampa-bay-buccaneers As for his salary, it's also oversized for the player he is today. While still solidly above average, he is no longer the monster than finished out his rookie deal. And there are two more years on the deal... also non-guaranteed. Looks to be a prime restructure candidate... something our 2019 space would allow us to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted May 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2019 Some twitter reports are saying this is progressing Orange and Brown Rpt @TheOBR 37s38 seconds ago More Gerald McCoy to the #Browns? One analyst would be stunned if it didn't happen https://buff.ly/2PLKPK9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 22 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Rumor of McCoy being a 2019 Cap casualty started back in January. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-gerald-mccoy-could-be-released-by-the-tampa-bay-buccaneers As for his salary, it's also oversized for the player he is today. While still solidly above average, he is no longer the monster than finished out his rookie deal. And there are two more years on the deal... also non-guaranteed. Looks to be a prime restructure candidate... something our 2019 space would allow us to do. Well said! Believe it or not, it was frequently brought up on local radio throughout 2018 when his career wear and tear was sidelining him once again. A big part of his depreciation on the field is he's never healthy enough to get back in some semblance of the football shape he used to be in. I'm thinking their FO pretty much had this in mind when they drafted Vita Vea out Cal in round 1 last year. The radio hosts are constantly reminding callers that making 6 Pro Bowls for the Bucs when healthy isn't exactly pond scum. I'm guessing social media isn't giving him the kinder, gentler either... Right now, the Bucs are so financially challenged in their cap that they can't sign anyone without removing McCoy's cap hit from what's being said. When their salary cap is at check mate with a 5-11 record, their fans gotta realize there's way bigger problems than 1 symptom (McCoy). They might have to put Carl Nassib in charge of their cap; and that ain't good... All that said, I think we should go after him after Tampa has to cut him. He wouldn't start over Richardson or Ogunjobi; but he could give us reliable depth/rotation reps with fresh legs. I remember back in the 1978 when we had Greg Pruitt, Cleo Miller and a young Mike Pruitt - we signed a 31 year old Calvin Hill who many were calling Calvin Over-the-Hill due to his bad knees and overall wear and tear. However, whenever we called on him - he ended up contributing 7 TDs (6 pass 1 run), 623 yards from scrimmage and the most yards receiving per game from any of our RBs. He was a much better story here than his book cover promoted at the time. Maybe it's just the fan in me talking; but I think McCoy can bring a very similar reliability to the same career back to the wall situation Hill came out of. Reading and hearing all the hate after 6 Pro Bowl efforts puts a very talented football player back into a something to prove mentality. I wouldn't mind us being the beneficiary of that kind of thang. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 On 4/30/2019 at 1:10 AM, Nero said: They drafted Vita Vea as DT last year in the firat round I believe. Exactly. They did draft DT Vita Vea in round 1 of 2018. Ironically, he had a nagging leg injury that kept him sidelined for the first 5-6 weeks or so. Then he had to gradually increase his reps. Near the end of the season - he started to look like the solid starter they hoped he'd be. More irony? He might even be better suited to play NT when they switch to a 3-4 under Todd Bowles in 2019. He's not Buster Hymen with the penetration; but he'll fill 2 gaps real good according to Miss Behavin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Flugel said: Exactly. They did draft DT Vita Vea in round 1 of 2018. Ironically, he had a nagging leg injury that kept him sidelined for the first 5-6 weeks or so. Then he had to gradually increase his reps. Near the end of the season - he started to look like the solid starter they hoped he'd be. More irony? He might even be better suited to play NT when they switch to a 3-4 under Todd Bowles in 2019. He's not Buster Hymen with the penetration; but he'll fill 2 gaps real good according to Miss Behavin... This really doesn't matter so much anymore under Bowles. He's a 1gap aggressive disciple kind of like Rex Ryan minus being so rigid in his player assignments - Heck of a defensive mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, tiamat63 said: This really doesn't matter so much anymore under Bowles. He's a 1gap aggressive disciple kind of like Rex Ryan minus being so rigid in his player assignments - Heck of a defensive mind. Good point Tia! Bowles DOES use a lot of 1 gap in his 3-4 especially when he's had the personnel to green light it. For example, when he took over the DC position in Arizona - he made a lot of guys upfront really happy he didn't square peg the round hole Horton preferred to do all the time. Your better Coordinators don't stay married to 1 scheme for an alignment. That was a big reason he was hired by the Jets that got stale with Rex's preferred schematics in the 3-4. Bowles will vary the 1-gap vrs 2-gap schemes up front depending on personnel as well wide side of field/formations faced. Pettine said he didn't always agree with Rex when he was his DC either. All that said, Vita Vea will be on the Nose in Tampa. Now I have to edit the rest because I got it all wrong yesterday. Vea isn't best suited for 2 gap Meat and Greet at line of scrimmage. He's actually best suited for 1 gap Beat and Eat in the backfield. Here's the pre-draft scouting report reflecting this: Vita Vea, 6-5/332 Defensive Tackle Washington Vita Vea Scouting Report By Charlie Campbell Strengths: Surprising athleticism Explosive defender Good instincts Very disruptive Physical force at the point of attack Tough run defender who can hold his gap Excellent run defender Good burst off the snap Has some pass-rushing skills Collapses the pocket Can destroys guards and centers with a bull rush Flashes speed to run by them Very strong Very quick for his size Closes well for a heavy tackle Ability to shed blocks Frees up edge rushers, linebackers Can play with good leverage Uses bull rush to push the pocket Perfect fit as a 3-4 nose tackle Good fit as a 4-3 tackle Eats up double teams Good motor Gives a second effort Awareness Upside Edited May 5, 2019 by Flugel Decaff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 On 5/1/2019 at 9:58 PM, Axe said: Yep. The Bucs need space just to sign rookies. General consensus is he and, or JPP are gone. They need approx 9-11 mil depending upon who you believe to sign their draft class. Indeed they do, maybe dump both. They're at a negative $13 million according to Spotrac, dumping McCoy at least clears that up. The scary thing from a Browns perspective is with all the (pricey) talent Dorsey brought in- is we can finally say "We're #1!!!" in active contract dollars. Not kidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 1 hour ago, hoorta said: Indeed they do, maybe dump both. They're at a negative $13 million according to Spotrac, dumping McCoy at least clears that up. The scary thing from a Browns perspective is with all the (pricey) talent Dorsey brought in- is we can finally say "We're #1!!!" in active contract dollars. Not kidding. The amazing thing is Jason Licht still has His GM job with Bucs considering he has a 27-53 record during his tenure with the Bucs AND has guided them into Cap Hell.. I am a Bucs and Browns fan.. I have much higher hopes for the Browns this yr.. The league has already apologized to the Bucs for their schedule this yr They are away from home for 6 weeks including 2 west coast trips and a fooking home game in London.. Week 3, The Browns will beat the Bucs in Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 DT Gerald McCoy now cut in Tampa Bay.. let the bidding begin 📞..McCoy is a former Sooner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 There's a shocker As I said at the top of the page. McCoy is now gone and JPP is most likely gone for the year with the neck injury .. Bucfuckened the Bucs are .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Axe said: There's a shocker Bucfuckened the Bucs are .... LOL ^^ you were so right..twitter has gone ape'chit 🐵 no wonder Bruce Arians only job was for Cleveland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 He's not what he used to be but he's still a solid player.. Just doesn't fit the new scheme and certainly not for $16 mil.. He could help the Browns tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 jay glazer thinks 7-9M he will go to a team set-up to win now. McCoy waffled that volley with, he wants to play 3 to 4 more years.. there's some 'agent up' talk for ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 So.. we sit 4th in cap space 33.3M..#3 the 49'ers= 35.3M..#2 the Texans= 41M & Indy #1 with = 58.5M..Some rookies are not all signed, so numbers may flux.The Colts certainly do have a need at DT & their media is all over this already.. McCoy has been working out in Cali & is ready to roll..Most Vet Camps don't start till June..stay tuned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 OBJ said “Cleveland” on the reported news👀 It wouldn’t hurt to add a guy like McCoy at the right price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said: OBJ said “Cleveland” on the reported news👀 It wouldn’t hurt to add a guy like McCoy at the right price it would make our DL rotation stupid. Plus it would also allow us to run 34 looks...have a few games where Myles and Vernon aren't in there all the time. We have a big 2 gap NT so those 3 DL rotating in would be a nice change of looks and give some of our 43 guys a break on reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 Bucs have signed his replacement quick enough, bringing in Suh on a one year deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 Not many 2019 "contenders" with McCoy cap space... maybe Eagles or Seahawks. Then it's a handful of "teams on the rise". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 On 4/29/2019 at 9:03 PM, gumby73 said: This would make all the sense in the browns world, why we did not draft a DT. Not much sense in TB. 1) Bucs did not draft or add a FA DT to replace McCoy. 2) Added 3 LB's in FA period. And grabbed the best LB in the draft Devin White to play behind McCoy to keep off said LB'ers. 3) Bucs drafted zero, much needed RB help either..McCoy is 31.. I would be very surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Why does this McCoy mess have New England at a low price written all over it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 27 minutes ago, Axe said: Why does this McCoy mess have New England at a low price written all over it? Didn't they just resign Danny Shelton? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 5 hours ago, LondonBrown said: Bucs have signed his replacement quick enough, bringing in Suh on a one year deal Question is- how are they going to afford him? PR move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Details of Shelton's resigning -- summary: 1 yr for the veteran minimum plus some small potential bonuses. 2019 Shelton is now your Jeopardy answer to the question "Who Replaced Ted Karras On The Pats Roster" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Pats just resigned Edelman & Shelton.(team friendly of course, just as J. Collins) Brady was up next but man they are expecting more chicken salad from Scarneckia now with both Tackle positions very slim..If McCoy wants to start & play he goes to Saints,Colts,Rams or Philly next to Flecher Cox (what a nightmare) He could choose rotational teams, with about 5 more clubs including us.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/browns/report-myles-garrett-says-browns-dont-need-gerald-mccoy-happy-with-current-defensive-tackles I agree with Myles. Besides, if all he wants to do with go with a team that is winning already ....heck with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Dude played 9 years for a doormat team, who thanked him by releasing him. Once money is made, what's wrong with wanting a ring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Yeah, well, Myles thought Ogbah was just fine also. He doesn't seem to follow Dorsey's train of thought that competition makes you better. 3 hours ago, calfoxwc said: https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/browns/report-myles-garrett-says-browns-dont-need-gerald-mccoy-happy-with-current-defensive-tackles I agree with Myles. Besides, if all he wants to do with go with a team that is winning already ....heck with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 5 hours ago, choco said: Dude played 9 years for a doormat team, who thanked him by releasing him. Once money is made, what's wrong with wanting a ring? Nothing...the problem is that he apparently is using ancient thinking that the Browns are not a team that could challenge for a title. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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