Greedy Williams

[hoorta]

20 minutes ago, Gunz41 said:

I didn't go through all the posts, but I am surprised nobody mentioned to the Steeler fan boy that a big reason Greedy didn't tackle was because he had a shoulder injury. 

So Vagitron, let's look through the positions and compare. And that inst to say Pitt cant or wont win the North, they certainly could, the Browns are still young and building.

QB- I'll give Pitt an edge at the moment, but not for the future 

RB- Browns with the edge

WR- Browns certainly with the edge

OL- Steelers certainly 

DL- Browns slightly 

LB- Steelers at the moment 

DB- Browns

ST- I'll give Pitt a slight edge

I can see in 2 years Steelers having an edge in 1 category (OL) and possibly 2.

No reason to come up with stuff to talk negatively about something non football related. I can certainly remember you defending Antonio for everything until he was gone

A long time ago in a galaxy far away, it was tough to find any Browns player who could start for the Steelers. that's no longer the case. Though Vag probably still thinks his Steelers are vastly superior. 

[The Gipper]

43 minutes ago, Gunz41 said:

I didn't go through all the posts, but I am surprised nobody mentioned to the Steeler fan boy that a big reason Greedy didn't tackle was because he had a shoulder injury. 

So Vagitron, let's look through the positions and compare. And that inst to say Pitt cant or wont win the North, they certainly could, the Browns are still young and building.

QB- I'll give Pitt an edge at the moment, but not for the future 

RB- Browns with the edge

WR- Browns certainly with the edge

OL- Steelers certainly 

DL- Browns slightly 

LB- Steelers at the moment 

DB- Browns

ST- I'll give Pitt a slight edge

I can see in 2 years Steelers having an edge in 1 category (OL) and possibly 2.

No reason to come up with stuff to talk negatively about something non football related. I can certainly remember you defending Antonio for everything until he was gone

The Steeler OL edge is a lot less sharp now that Munchak is gone from there.  But as noted in other threads, Browns OL is still a  question mark at a couple of spots, so yes, they would still get the edge based on overall talent and experience there.

[The Gipper]

1 hour ago, hoorta said:

A long time ago in a galaxy far away, it was tough to find any Browns player who could start for the Steelers. that's no longer the case. Though Vag probably still thinks his Steelers are vastly superior. 

Steelers vastly Superior?  Highlight ANY area where the Steelers talent is "vastly superior".

Browns

OFFENSE
LWR	81	Higgins, Rashard 16/5	18	Ratley, Damion 18/6	00	Sheehy-Guiseppi, Damon SF19	00	Hyman, Ishmael SF19
RWR	13	Beckham Jr., Odell T/NYG	11	Callaway, Antonio 18/4	84	Willies, Derrick CF18
SWR	80	Landry, Jarvis T/Mia	10	Strong, Jaelen SF19	17	Jackson, Blake SF18
LT	78	Robinson, Greg SF18	69	Harrison, Desmond CF18
LG	75	Bitonio, Joel 14/2	00	Forbes, Drew 19/6	77	Bright, David SF19
C	64	Tretter, JC U/GB	72	Kush, Eric U/Chi	68	Kalis, Kyle SF18
RG	63	Corbett, Austin 18/2	71	Witzmann, Bryan U/Chi
RT	74	Hubbard, Chris U/Pit	70	Lamm, Kendall U/Hou	60	Seaton, Brad SF18
TE	85	Njoku, David 17/1	87	DeValve, Seth 16/4	88	Harris, Demetrius U/KC	82	Charles, Orson SF18	86	Brown, Pharaoh SF18
QB	6	Mayfield, Baker 18/1	9	STANTON, DREW U/Arz	00	Gilbert, Garrett SF19
RB	24	Chubb, Nick 18/2	29	Johnson, Duke 15/3	25	Hilliard, Dontrell CF18	33	Mays, Devante SF18
DEFENSE
DE	95	Garrett, Myles 17/1	50	Smith, Chris U/Cin	97	Zettel, Anthony W/Det
DT	65	Ogunjobi, Larry 17/3	91	Price, Brian SF18	94	Davis, Carl W/Bal	96	Ekuale, Daniel CF18
DT	98	Richardson, Sheldon U/Min	93	Coley, Trevon SF16	99	Lawrence, Devaroe T/NO
DE	54	Vernon, Olivier T/NYG	92	Thomas, Chad 18/3	91	Jones, Lenny SF18
SLB	55	Avery, Genard 18/5	57	Taylor, Adarius U/TB
MLB	53	Schobert, Joe 16/4	00	Wilson, Mack 19/5	56	Woodson-Luster, Xavier SF18
WLB	58	Kirksey, Christian 14/3	00	Takitaki, Sione 19/3	52	ARMSTRONG, RAY RAY SF18	59	Hines, D'Juan P/LAC
LCB	21	Ward, Denzel 18/1	27	Thomas, Tavierre W/Arz	00	Lewis Jr., Donnie 19/7	36	Lampkin, Ashton SF18	33	Gaines, Phillip W/Buf
S	00	BURNETT, MORGAN SF19	35	Whitehead, Jermaine W/GB
S	23	Randall, Damarious T/GB	00	Redwine, Sheldrick 19/4	25	Sankoh, Tigie CF18/EX
RCB	39	Mitchell, Terrance U/KC	00	Williams, Greedy 19/2	22	Murray, Eric T/KC	34	Jackson, Robert SF18	31	Burris, Juston P/NYJ
NB	38	Carrie, TJ U/Oak	41	Pipkins, Lenzy SF18
SPECIAL TEAMS
P	4	COLQUITT, BRITTON SF16
PK	17	Joseph, Greg CF18	00	Seibert, Austin 19/5
LS	47	Hughlett, Charley P/KC
H	4	COLQUITT, BRITTON SF16
PR	11	Callaway, Antonio 18/4
KR	25	Hilliard, Dontrell CF18 Steelers: OFFENSE LWR 13 Washington, James 18/2 11 Moncrief, Donte U/Jax 15 Griffey, Trey SF18 83 Spencer, Diontae SF19     RWR 19 Smith-Schuster, JuJu 17/2 80 White, Ka'Raun SF19 14 Jones, Tevin SF18         WR 17 Rogers, Eli CF15 10 Switzer, Ryan T/Oak 00 Johnson, Diontae 19/3         LT 78 VILLANUEVA, ALEJANDRO SF14 76 Okorafor, Chukwuma 18/3 00 Gray, Derwin 19/7         LG 73 FOSTER, RAMON CF09 64 Prince, RJ CF18 62 Morris, Patrick CF18         C 53 Pouncey, Maurkice 10/1 67 Finney, BJ CF15 60 Hassenauer, JC SF19         RG 66 DeCastro, David 12/1                 RT 71 Feiler, Matt SF15 65 Hawkins, Jerald 16/4 72 Banner, Zach SF18         TE 89 McDonald, Vance T/SF 85 Grimble, Xavier SF15 00 Gentry, Zach 19/5 87 Rader, Kevin SF19 49 Scotland-Williamson, Christian CF18/EX QB 7 ROETHLISBERGER, BEN 04/1 5 Dobbs, Joshua 17/4 2 Rudolph, Mason 18/3 6 Roback, Brogan SF19     RB 30 Conner, James 17/3 38 Samuels, Jaylen 18/5 00 Snell Jr., Benny 19/4 40 Edmunds, Trey SF18 39 Williams, Malik SF19 RB                 40 Webb, Ralph SF18 FB 45 Nix, Roosevelt SF15                 DEFENSE LDE 97 HEYWARD, CAMERON 11/1 00 Buggs, Isaiah 19/6 61 Sheehy, Conor SF19 64 Craig, Winston SF19     NT 79 Hargrave, Javon 16/3 93 McCullers, Daniel 14/6 95 Hooks, Lavon SF16         RDE 91 Tuitt, Stephon 14/2 94 ALUALU, TYSON U/Jax 74 Sayles, Casey SF19         LOLB 48 Dupree, Bud 15/1 49 Spillane, Robert SF19 99 Adams, Keion 17/7         LILB 00 Barron, Mark CC/LAR 00 Gilbert III, Ulysees 19/6 92 Adeniyi, Olasunkanmi CF18 46 Scales, Tegray SF19     RILB 00 Bush Jr., Devin 19/1 98 Williams, Vince 13/6 44 Matakevich, Tyler 16/7 00 Smith, Sutton 19/6     ROLB 90 Watt, TJ 17/1 56 Chickillo, Anthony 15/6 40 Jones, JT SF19         LCB 23 HADEN, JOE SF17 00 Layne, Justin 19/3 28 Hilton, Mike SF16 35 Waters, Herb SF18 33 Tocho, Jack SF19 FS 21 Davis, Sean 16/2 27 Allen, Marcus 18/5 29 Allen, Brian 17/5         SS 34 Edmunds, Terrell 18/1 37 Dangerfield, Jordan SF14             RCB 22 Nelson, Steven U/KC 25 Burns, Artie 16/1 20 Sutton, Cameron 17/3 39 Branch, Marcelis SF19 38 Kelly, Kameron SF19 NB 28 Hilton, Mike SF16

Hoorta's EDIT:  Red MHO,  Come on Gip- DeCastro made the Pro Bowl.  Pouncey is better than Tretter. Until Baker repeats his rookie performance, you have to give the edge to Ben.  

 

[Gunz41]

27 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Steelers vastly Superior?  Highlight ANY area where the Steelers talent is "vastly superior".

Browns

OFFENSE
LWR	81	Higgins, Rashard 16/5	18	Ratley, Damion 18/6	00	Sheehy-Guiseppi, Damon SF19	00	Hyman, Ishmael SF19
RWR	13	Beckham Jr., Odell T/NYG	11	Callaway, Antonio 18/4	84	Willies, Derrick CF18
SWR	80	Landry, Jarvis T/Mia	10	Strong, Jaelen SF19	17	Jackson, Blake SF18
LT	78	Robinson, Greg SF18	69	Harrison, Desmond CF18
LG	75	Bitonio, Joel 14/2	00	Forbes, Drew 19/6	77	Bright, David SF19
C	64	Tretter, JC U/GB	72	Kush, Eric U/Chi	68	Kalis, Kyle SF18
RG	63	Corbett, Austin 18/2	71	Witzmann, Bryan U/Chi
RT	74	Hubbard, Chris U/Pit	70	Lamm, Kendall U/Hou	60	Seaton, Brad SF18
TE	85	Njoku, David 17/1	87	DeValve, Seth 16/4	88	Harris, Demetrius U/KC	82	Charles, Orson SF18	86	Brown, Pharaoh SF18
QB	6	Mayfield, Baker 18/1	9	STANTON, DREW U/Arz	00	Gilbert, Garrett SF19
RB	24	Chubb, Nick 18/2	29	Johnson, Duke 15/3	25	Hilliard, Dontrell CF18	33	Mays, Devante SF18
DEFENSE
DE	95	Garrett, Myles 17/1	50	Smith, Chris U/Cin	97	Zettel, Anthony W/Det
DT	65	Ogunjobi, Larry 17/3	91	Price, Brian SF18	94	Davis, Carl W/Bal	96	Ekuale, Daniel CF18
DT	98	Richardson, Sheldon U/Min	93	Coley, Trevon SF16	99	Lawrence, Devaroe T/NO
DE	54	Vernon, Olivier T/NYG	92	Thomas, Chad 18/3	91	Jones, Lenny SF18
SLB	55	Avery, Genard 18/5	57	Taylor, Adarius U/TB
MLB	53	Schobert, Joe 16/4	00	Wilson, Mack 19/5	56	Woodson-Luster, Xavier SF18
WLB	58	Kirksey, Christian 14/3	00	Takitaki, Sione 19/3	52	ARMSTRONG, RAY RAY SF18	59	Hines, D'Juan P/LAC
LCB	21	Ward, Denzel 18/1	27	Thomas, Tavierre W/Arz	00	Lewis Jr., Donnie 19/7	36	Lampkin, Ashton SF18	33	Gaines, Phillip W/Buf
S	00	BURNETT, MORGAN SF19	35	Whitehead, Jermaine W/GB
S	23	Randall, Damarious T/GB	00	Redwine, Sheldrick 19/4	25	Sankoh, Tigie CF18/EX
RCB	39	Mitchell, Terrance U/KC	00	Williams, Greedy 19/2	22	Murray, Eric T/KC	34	Jackson, Robert SF18	31	Burris, Juston P/NYJ
NB	38	Carrie, TJ U/Oak	41	Pipkins, Lenzy SF18
SPECIAL TEAMS
P	4	COLQUITT, BRITTON SF16
PK	17	Joseph, Greg CF18	00	Seibert, Austin 19/5
LS	47	Hughlett, Charley P/KC
H	4	COLQUITT, BRITTON SF16
PR	11	Callaway, Antonio 18/4
KR	25	Hilliard, Dontrell CF18 Steelers: OFFENSE LWR 13 Washington, James 18/2 11 Moncrief, Donte U/Jax 15 Griffey, Trey SF18 83 Spencer, Diontae SF19     RWR 19 Smith-Schuster, JuJu 17/2 80 White, Ka'Raun SF19 14 Jones, Tevin SF18         WR 17 Rogers, Eli CF15 10 Switzer, Ryan T/Oak 00 Johnson, Diontae 19/3         LT 78 VILLANUEVA, ALEJANDRO SF14 76 Okorafor, Chukwuma 18/3 00 Gray, Derwin 19/7         LG 73 FOSTER, RAMON CF09 64 Prince, RJ CF18 62 Morris, Patrick CF18         C 53 Pouncey, Maurkice 10/1 67 Finney, BJ CF15 60 Hassenauer, JC SF19         RG 66 DeCastro, David 12/1                 RT 71 Feiler, Matt SF15 65 Hawkins, Jerald 16/4 72 Banner, Zach SF18         TE 89 McDonald, Vance T/SF 85 Grimble, Xavier SF15 00 Gentry, Zach 19/5 87 Rader, Kevin SF19 49 Scotland-Williamson, Christian CF18/EX QB 7 ROETHLISBERGER, BEN 04/1 5 Dobbs, Joshua 17/4 2 Rudolph, Mason 18/3 6 Roback, Brogan SF19     RB 30 Conner, James 17/3 38 Samuels, Jaylen 18/5 00 Snell Jr., Benny 19/4 40 Edmunds, Trey SF18 39 Williams, Malik SF19 RB                 40 Webb, Ralph SF18 FB 45 Nix, Roosevelt SF15                 DEFENSE LDE 97 HEYWARD, CAMERON 11/1 00 Buggs, Isaiah 19/6 61 Sheehy, Conor SF19 64 Craig, Winston SF19     NT 79 Hargrave, Javon 16/3 93 McCullers, Daniel 14/6 95 Hooks, Lavon SF16         RDE 91 Tuitt, Stephon 14/2 94 ALUALU, TYSON U/Jax 74 Sayles, Casey SF19         LOLB 48 Dupree, Bud 15/1 49 Spillane, Robert SF19 99 Adams, Keion 17/7         LILB 00 Barron, Mark CC/LAR 00 Gilbert III, Ulysees 19/6 92 Adeniyi, Olasunkanmi CF18 46 Scales, Tegray SF19     RILB 00 Bush Jr., Devin 19/1 98 Williams, Vince 13/6 44 Matakevich, Tyler 16/7 00 Smith, Sutton 19/6     ROLB 90 Watt, TJ 17/1 56 Chickillo, Anthony 15/6 40 Jones, JT SF19         LCB 23 HADEN, JOE SF17 00 Layne, Justin 19/3 28 Hilton, Mike SF16 35 Waters, Herb SF18 33 Tocho, Jack SF19 FS 21 Davis, Sean 16/2 27 Allen, Marcus 18/5 29 Allen, Brian 17/5         SS 34 Edmunds, Terrell 18/1 37 Dangerfield, Jordan SF14             RCB 22 Nelson, Steven U/KC 25 Burns, Artie 16/1 20 Sutton, Cameron 17/3 39 Branch, Marcelis SF19 38 Kelly, Kameron SF19 NB 28 Hilton, Mike SF16

I would still have to say their OL is to be honest. They may not improve as much as they would with Munchak, but they still had him before. And we don't know what they will gain from the new coach. There was a time when everyone here thought Hue was a great hire. For my money, Pitt had the best OL last season. I think with Frederick coming back and everyone being healthy that Dallas should have the best, but Pitt will still have a great line, and the Browns still have big question marks there

[Vagitron]

1 hour ago, choco said:

One thing I noticed about vag is he's a parrot, assimmilating and regurgitating message board shit for a long time. I bag on him and his memory for that simple fact...it's easy to remember one's own thoughts, but he's just a clueless fanboy who uses other arguments to troll on other fan boards. It's just easy for me to see his bullshit because I know more about his team than he does.

You are so hilariously up your own ass. You don't know a thing about the steelers.

[hoorta]

18 minutes ago, Vagitron said:

You are so hilariously up your own ass. You don't know a thing about the steelers.

And you don't know much about the Cleveland if you don't think the Browns have surpassed you in talent, at a lot of positions. Don't believe me, if you want to, but take this one, from what I heard on ESPN this afternoon. "The only question is if the Browns will be able to get all the talent they've amassed to play together."

Ju Ju isn't Antonio Brown, and if you think he'd beat out Beckham for #1 wr, you're nuts. You don't have a #2 wr that's anywhere close to Landry, and I'll take Chubb over Connor.  

I'll agree with Gunz, the only area where the Steelers still have a big advantage is offensive line, somewhat at LB- and that's about it. 

[calfoxwc]

28 minutes ago, Vagitron said:

You are so hilariously up your own ass. You don't know a thing about the steelers.

look in a mirror - idolizing your squeelers isn't the same as really knowing what you are talking about.

Here's your tshirt:

[Vagitron]

1 hour ago, hoorta said:

And you don't know much about the Cleveland if you don't think the Browns have surpassed you in talent, at a lot of positions. Don't believe me, if you want to, but take this one, from what I heard on ESPN this afternoon. "The only question is if the Browns will be able to get all the talent they've amassed to play together."

Ju Ju isn't Antonio Brown, and if you think he'd beat out Beckham for #1 wr, you're nuts. You don't have a #2 wr that's anywhere close to Landry, and I'll take Chubb over Connor.  

I'll agree with Gunz, the only area where the Steelers still have a big advantage is offensive line, somewhat at LB- and that's about it. 

I lived in ohio now off and on for over 10 years. I know the shit stains and the Bengals. What I find most hilarious is the national media all over the Browns. The talent is there no doubt about it. You can have all the talent in the world and it doesn't mean a damn thing if you can't put it to the field. The Steelers lose brown and blood is in the water despite it being irrational. Juju is really damn good. He's better than Landry and different than obj. The Steelers are a wide receiver factory and just drafted another potentially good one at the top of the third. We have Washington and moncrief as well. Check the latter's stats with Andrew luck. Jarvis Landry is a volume guy, he's not a dynamic wr. He catches a lot of balls and that's always been his m.o. And if the Browns did surpass the steelers on PAPER you can thank all the horrendous years where the team picked inside the top ten permanently. I would hope eventually they would get more even talent wise with that draft capital. 

The steelers had a strong draft this year, our line is the best in the league and our qb is a hall of famer. Bush fills a large hole in the middle of the defense hence the uncharacteristic trade up by the steelers. You may also want to watch tape on benny snell if you haven't already before you go crowing your running backs. We can also revisit the offensive line difference which isn't even close even with munchak gone. You all act like the steelers are chopped liver now and wirh the media expectations of the Browns comes a lot of added pressure. I'm glad the Browns will be better but crowning yourselves is fucking hilarious and irrational.

 

Browns aren't winning the division

 

Edit: Ben isn't better than Mayfield? Lmao

I also can't wait until you all need to start paying everyone, this isn't madden.

I'm also happy to not post here for a while but people keep replying and I keep getting dinged so shut the fuck up and you can get a break. Xoxo

[hoorta]

2 hours ago, Vagitron said:

I lived in ohio now off and on for over 10 years. I know the shit stains and the Bengals. What I find most hilarious is the national media all over the Browns. The talent is there no doubt about it. You can have all the talent in the world and it doesn't mean a damn thing if you can't put it to the field. The Steelers lose brown and blood is in the water despite it being irrational. Juju is really damn good. He's better than Landry and different than obj. The Steelers are a wide receiver factory and just drafted another potentially good one at the top of the third. We have Washington and moncrief as well. Check the latter's stats with Andrew luck. Jarvis Landry is a volume guy, he's not a dynamic wr. He catches a lot of balls and that's always been his m.o. And if the Browns did surpass the steelers on PAPER you can thank all the horrendous years where the team picked inside the top ten permanently. I would hope eventually they would get more even talent wise with that draft capital. 

The steelers had a strong draft this year, our line is the best in the league and our qb is a hall of famer. Bush fills a large hole in the middle of the defense hence the uncharacteristic trade up by the steelers. You may also want to watch tape on benny snell if you haven't already before you go crowing your running backs. We can also revisit the offensive line difference which isn't even close even with munchak gone. You all act like the steelers are chopped liver now and with the media expectations of the Browns comes a lot of added pressure. I'm glad the Browns will be better but crowning yourselves is fucking hilarious and irrational.

Browns aren't winning the division

Guess what? Neither are you.  You didn't win it last year, your draft and FA pickups pale in comparison to what the Browns have done, and I won't be surprised if you're looking up at the Ravens besides the Browns come January.   

You got a running back named Benny Hill? I thought he was a comedian. Um, the Browns will have a guy named Kareem Hunt in the lineup the first time we play Pittsburgh. Ever hear of him?  Landry is a volume guy that makes the Pro Bowl every year. 

Yup, that's all the Steeler fans got to hope for this season- that all the talent the Browns have amassed doesn't mesh. 

Sure, some Browns fans are acting irrational and all but have the Super Bowl tickets printed already. Regarding the national media- hate to tell you, they're just reporting what they see. The talking heads that are saying pump the brakes, and you're overrating the Browns are WAY in the minority- so don't try and tell me 90%+ of them are biased. Could the Browns flop? Sure- everyone had the Jags penciled in for at least a repeat trip to the AFC Championship game last year, and they laid a major turd instead.  

[Vagitron]

9 hours ago, hoorta said:

Guess what? Neither are you.  You didn't win it last year, your draft and FA pickups pale in comparison to what the Browns have done, and I won't be surprised if you're looking up at the Ravens besides the Browns come January.   

You got a running back named Benny Hill? I thought he was a comedian. Um, the Browns will have a guy named Kareem Hunt in the lineup the first time we play Pittsburgh. Ever hear of him?  Landry is a volume guy that makes the Pro Bowl every year. 

Yup, that's all the Steeler fans got to hope for this season- that all the talent the Browns have amassed doesn't mesh. 

Sure, some Browns fans are acting irrational and all but have the Super Bowl tickets printed already. Regarding the national media- hate to tell you, they're just reporting what they see. The talking heads that are saying pump the brakes, and you're overrating the Browns are WAY in the minority- so don't try and tell me 90%+ of them are biased. Could the Browns flop? Sure- everyone had the Jags penciled in for at least a repeat trip to the AFC Championship game last year, and they laid a major turd instead.  

I can't wait for the season to start. Vernon is no better than either of the steeler defensive ends. Obj is really good but the steelers are a wr factory and have invested high draft picks in wr's for a while now. Juju was the last hit and Washington turned it on to end the season despite playing behind two 100 catch over 1000 yard receivers.  

Ben > Baker

Our offensive line > yours by a country mile.

Our cancer in antonio brown is gone. Addition by subtraction. You need to get ready to be disappointed.

 

Edit: and benny snell has been compared to nick chubb for a while. Hunt isn't any better than Connor. Go watch some benny snell tape.

[The Gipper]

14 hours ago, Gunz41 said:

I would still have to say their OL is to be honest. They may not improve as much as they would with Munchak, but they still had him before. And we don't know what they will gain from the new coach. There was a time when everyone here thought Hue was a great hire. For my money, Pitt had the best OL last season. I think with Frederick coming back and everyone being healthy that Dallas should have the best, but Pitt will still have a great line, and the Browns still have big question marks there

No disagreement there....but as I said....their edge would not be as sharp IMO.

[tiamat63]

1 hour ago, Vagitron said:

 in antonio brown is gone. Addition by subtraction. You need to get ready to be disappointed.

 

Edit: and benny snell has been compared to nick chubb for a while. Hunt isn't any better than Connor. Go watch some benny snell tape.

You don't add by losing a HoF receiver.  I don't care how you would like to spin it.  

Snell is a solid RB, not sure I would put him in the Nick category even pre-draft.  

Hunt and Connor are two very different backs that, when healthy, are both arguably top 10 producers.   So they're comparable in that regard at least. 

 

[The Gipper]

11 hours ago, Vagitron said:

I lived in ohio now off and on for over 10 years. I know the shit stains and the Bengals. What I find most hilarious is the national media all over the Browns. The talent is there no doubt about it. You can have all the talent in the world and it doesn't mean a damn thing if you can't put it to the field. The Steelers lose brown and blood is in the water despite it being irrational. Juju is really damn good. He's better than Landry and different than obj. The Steelers are a wide receiver factory and just drafted another potentially good one at the top of the third. We have Washington and moncrief as well. Check the latter's stats with Andrew luck. Jarvis Landry is a volume guy, he's not a dynamic wr. He catches a lot of balls and that's always been his m.o. And if the Browns did surpass the steelers on PAPER you can thank all the horrendous years where the team picked inside the top ten permanently. I would hope eventually they would get more even talent wise with that draft capital. 

The steelers had a strong draft this year, our line is the best in the league and our qb is a hall of famer. Bush fills a large hole in the middle of the defense hence the uncharacteristic trade up by the steelers. You may also want to watch tape on benny snell if you haven't already before you go crowing your running backs. We can also revisit the offensive line difference which isn't even close even with munchak gone. You all act like the steelers are chopped liver now and wirh the media expectations of the Browns comes a lot of added pressure. I'm glad the Browns will be better but crowning yourselves is fucking hilarious and irrational.

 

Browns aren't winning the division

 

Edit: Ben isn't better than Mayfield? Lmao

I also can't wait until you all need to start paying everyone, this isn't madden.

I'm also happy to not post here for a while but people keep replying and I keep getting dinged so shut the fuck up and you can get a break. Xoxo

Well....the Steelers weren't as good as the Ravens last year  (in case you forgot).  

The Browns, yes, on paper, have vastly improved in this offseason from  a team that was a couple of bad calls and  couple of missed kicks away from being in the playoffs. 

The Steelers have NOT improved commensurately, not at all.   You lost AB...and your touting of your WR corps and how good you think it is is based on a WR corps that includes AB.   Juju does not come close to OBJ in talent.  You think that you disparage Landry by calling him a "volume guy"..and that he is not dynamic.  What he IS dynamic as is as a first down maker, a drive sustainer.  No one in the league has been as good as him at that over the past few years.

Ben IS a Hall of Famer, but he just turned  37, but it remains to be seen if he will sustain with age like Brady/Brees.....or become like Eli Manning who may be pretty much done.  We know he is no longer as mobile as he was. (he may be in between).  Mayfield is an up and comer....and a new generation of QBs (including the likes of Darnold/Rosen/Allen etc.) may end up toppling the old guard as soon as this year.

The Steelers OL, yes, IS, on paper (and in past production) better than the Browns. But despite plausibly better talent...I think it may have lost its mojo with the departure of Munchak...remains to be seen.

So, you have one single unit that is probably better than the Browns unit.  (maybe 2 with the LB corps...).

And while you may be right....the Browns may not win the division, the fact is, no one...not even your sorry delusional ass, can claim that they will not be a factor in the division race.

[The Gipper]

1 hour ago, Vagitron said:

I can't wait for the season to start. Vernon is no better than either of the steeler defensive ends. Obj is really good but the steelers are a wr factory and have invested high draft picks in wr's for a while now. Juju was the last hit and Washington turned it on to end the season despite playing behind two 100 catch over 1000 yard receivers.  

Ben > Baker

Our offensive line > yours by a country mile.

Our cancer in antonio brown is gone. Addition by subtraction. You need to get ready to be disappointed.

 

Edit: and benny snell has been compared to nick chubb for a while. Hunt isn't any better than Connor. Go watch some benny snell tape.

Don't know if Vernon is better than either of the DEs the Steelers have....but he is at least just as good. And Garrett certainly is better.  And now with Sheldon Richardson, and Ogunjobi, the Browns DTs are better than the Steelers. 

And your belief in your WRs is based pretty much on the fact that BR is the one throwing to them. OBJ was possibly better than AB...who you know longer have.  Juju is good, but in their way both OBJ and Landry are better....one as  a #1 WR, the other as a possession man. James Washington could be lucky to make the Browns 5th string WR, behind OBJ/Landry/Calloway/Higgins.  Moncrief?  I don't know a lot about him. Is he a burner? Possession guy?  He too would be fighting for the Browns #5 spot. 

And your cancer is BR...not the other guys.  

And Conner is not as good as either Chubb nor Hunt.    In case you don't recall...Kareem Hunt led the NFL in rushing year before last...so that puts him in a class with guys like Ezekiel Elliot and Adrian Peterson over the last 5 years.

[The Gipper]

12 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

You don't add by losing a HoF receiver.  I don't care how you would like to spin it.  

Snell is a solid RB, not sure I would put him in the Nick category even pre-draft.  

Hunt and Connor are two very different backs that, when healthy, are both arguably top 10 producers.   So they're comparable in that regard at least. 

 

Well....FYI,   Chubb had more gross  yards than Conner....on fewer attempts.   996 vs. 973.

Chubb was 5th in the leagues in Yards per attempt.   Conner was 28th.

While Conner had more yards per game.....he had a lot more attempts....and started more games than Chubb.

 

[Vagitron]

You're a fucking idiot gipper. You are always wrong too. I hope you start getting shit right for a change. It has to be hard on your psyche.

And it's clear that you ONLY watch Browns games. You mention Peterson who has been a shell of himself for several years now as a bench mark because he's one of the few non-browns you know without using Google. 

[Canton Dawg]

2 hours ago, Vagitron said:

Hunt isn't any better than Connor.

This is the dumbest shit I've read in a long time.

[choco]

55 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

You don't add by losing a HoF receiver.  I don't care how you would like to spin it.  

Snell is a solid RB, not sure I would put him in the Nick category even pre-draft.  

Hunt and Connor are two very different backs that, when healthy, are both arguably top 10 producers.   So they're comparable in that regard at least. 

 

Look at the mental gymnastics he has to perform to convince himself. There a big segment of their fanbase that does this...

I'm eagerly waiting Monday mornings this year, stool fans gonna lose their minds.

[Vagitron]

42 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

This is the dumbest shit I've read in a long time.

He isn't?  Connor missed several games last season, scored 12 td's and would have gone well over 1000 yards had he not got hurt. Why is it dumb? have you watched either play at great length? or is it just because it serves you to say it's dumb?

[flyingfooldoug]

4 minutes ago, Vagitron said:

 

[choco]

4 minutes ago, Vagitron said:

Why is it dumb? 

Because you're a Homer and an idiot. Besides his fumbling issue, and being prone to injury, he still isn't close to the rookie who led the league in yardage. Doesn't mean he's garbage either, but to say Connor is better than hunt is hilariously misguided, misinformed, and frankly, and lazy. What genius nugget you gonna offer next....that bid the dud is better than Garret? 

You're a fuking clown man...

[Vagitron]

39 minutes ago, choco said:

Look at the mental gymnastics he has to perform to convince himself. There a big segment of their fanbase that does this...

I'm eagerly waiting Monday mornings this year, stool fans gonna lose their minds.

Or you are going to look like a damn moron.  Antonio Brown was a full on cancer and it only started shaking out when he started forcing his way out.  He also didn't force his way out because of Ben he forced his way out because of money. I've been here a long time, even longer than this name suggests.  I joined this board when i was in college because so many of my college friends are diehard browns fans and I wanted to be able to talk shit intelligently and I've been here every since. During that time I've read countless times the Steelers were headed for the gutter and not once has that rung true.  What makes you think it's going to be true now? Antonio Brown was the entire team?

As far as your current residential status is concerned there is something you need to understand.  The Steeler fans you encounter aren't likely the same kind of Steeler fan I am.  I seek out information on the entire division.  I follow over 30 beat writers via twitter, pay for access with at least one.  I don't get my info from kdka, wpxi, wtae, mark madden or 93.7 the fan. The latter being fucking terrible and the fans that get their info exclusively there are some of the least informed in the entire fan base.  They are the "fire tomlin crowd" they are the "Ben is washed up crowd" they are the "why did we let hines ward retire crowd" and the "polamalu still had gas in the tank crowd".  You don't have the pulse of the fan base in your little office choco and you never will because those fans function on the base level.  It's time you stop acting like you know anything more than those kinds of fans because you are exactly the same.  I don't live in Pittsburgh currently but i follow the teams like I always have and it's never going to change.  You, along with dementia santa gipper have been two of the worst when it comes to the demise of the Steelers and you are ALWAYS wrong.  Who knows maybe you will be right one of these times but based on what I know, what i see and certainly what I read it's going to be yet another season of you being wrong.

[The Gipper]

1 hour ago, Vagitron said:

You're a fucking idiot gipper. You are always wrong too. I hope you start getting shit right for a change. It has to be hard on your psyche.

And it's clear that you ONLY watch Browns games. You mention Peterson who has been a shell of himself for several years now as a bench mark because he's one of the few non-browns you know without using Google. 

Translation:   I hit everything right on the nose and the Steeler snatch hole can't handle it.

Sure, Adrian Peterson is NOW a shell of himself....but he still lead the league in rushing just 4 years ago.  I was listing people who have won the NFL rushing title in the last 5 years.....as did Hunt...and Peterson.   And I used him because he may have been a name you know...because you don't know much at all about football or the people that have played it. 

And FYI....Hunt also had a better YPC than Conner.

The fact is....the Browns will have (when Hunt comes off suspension)....two RBs better than anyone the Steelers have.   And we can't forget Duke Johnson for the role he fulfills.

 

[The Gipper]

1 hour ago, Vagitron said:

He isn't?  Connor missed several games last season, scored 12 td's and would have gone well over 1000 yards had he not got hurt. Why is it dumb? have you watched either play at great length? or is it just because it serves you to say it's dumb?

Chubb ran for more yards than Conner....in fewer games (because Carlos Hyde started the season as the #1 RB)   Hunt was not too far behind Conner....in quite a number of fewer games and many fewer carries.  (suspension).

And Hunt won the NFL rushing title the year before in a full season.   More than L. Bell, Gurley, Elliot...anyone.   He was 4th in YPC that year (behind Kamara and Cam Newton)....and L. Bell was only 24th.

[The Gipper]

RkPlayerTmAgePosGGSAttYdsTDLngY/A
 

28 James Conner*PIT23RB131221597312304.574.84

 28th in the league in average yards per carry (last time I looked there were only  32 teams in the league

[The Gipper]

 I joined this board when i was in college because so many of my college friends are diehard browns fans and I wanted to be able to talk shit intelligently

So?  When is this going to start happening?

You, along with dementia santa gipper have been two of the worst when it comes to the demise of the Steelers and you are ALWAYS wrong.  

Except, of course, I have never said that the Steelers were on the demise.  In fact, just last year I predicted them to win the division...because I knew the Browns weren't likely to challenge coming off 0-16,  (I was right) and I felt that the Bengals would falter (right again),  and when it came down to between the Steelers and Ravens, I thought the Steelers had the better QB and more stability.  I guess even I get it wrong.  The Browns nearly proved me right if they could have finished that last drive vs. the Rats, but it was not to be.    So...it was really the Steelers who disappointed my prediction of them winning the division.

[Vagitron]

12 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Translation:   I hit everything right on the nose and the Steeler snatch hole can't handle it.

Sure, Adrian Peterson is NOW a shell of himself....but he still lead the league in rushing just 4 years ago.  I was listing people who have won the NFL rushing title in the last 5 years.....as did Hunt...and Peterson.   And I used him because he may have been a name you know...because you don't know much at all about football or the people that have played it. 

And FYI....Hunt also had a better YPC than Conner.

The fact is....the Browns will have (when Hunt comes off suspension)....two RBs better than anyone the Steelers have.   And we can't forget Duke Johnson for the role he fulfills.

 

Adrian Peterson isn't even top 10. You don't know how hunt will be for the Browns nor do you know how Connor will be in year two as a full time starter.  The Steelers also have Jaylen Samuels if you want to bring up Duke Johnson and Duke wants out.

[The Gipper]

14 minutes ago, Vagitron said:

Adrian Peterson isn't even top 10. You don't know how hunt will be for the Browns nor do you know how Connor will be in year two as a full time starter.  The Steelers also have Jaylen Samuels if you want to bring up Duke Johnson and Duke wants out.

Peterson won the NFL rushing title in 2015.  I merely referenced those people who had won the NFL rushing title since 2015.  Peterson was one of them...Elliot won 2, and Hunt won one.   

What is it about that that you do not understand?  Why are you as stupid about understanding these simple facts as you are about everything else? And no Shit Sherlock...he is not what he once was 5 years later.  But like I said, I am just relating history.

And you say we do not know what Conner will be capable as a full time starter....but actually we do...because he WAS your full time starter last year. Until he was injured, he was the starting RB from the beginning of the season.

So, we know this about him from his history:  He is capable of being 28th place in the league in YPC.  So far he is not capable of lasting a whole season without being injured. 

And we do know that Hunt is capable of:  Winning an NFL rushing title as a full time starter.  Being #4 in YPC.   

And we know what Chubb is capable of whole NOT being the full time starter:  Being #5 in YPC in the league.  Running for more yards than Conner in fewer games and fewer carries.

As for Duke...he is a very productive, quality player.  If he wants out it is because he sees what is in front of him....two highly capable RBs both of which have Pro Bowl potential.

As between he and Jaylen Samuels, while they may be similar, I would not trade Duke straight up for him. Any stats Samuels produced was as the #1 back after Conner got hurt.  Duke was never #1...he was the third down back behind Hyde and Chubb.

[Vagitron]

32 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

RkPlayerTmAgePosGGSAttYdsTDLngY/A
 

28 James Conner*PIT23RB131221597312304.574.84

 28th in the league in average yards per carry (last time I looked there were only  32 teams in the league

Are you really this dumb? There are guys on the list with 100 carries that have a higher average but also half the production.  You can't measure the prowess of any running back solely on a per rush average.  EDIT: You don't even know who jaylen samuels is gipper.  You exclusively talk out of your ass.

[The Gipper]

7 minutes ago, Vagitron said:

Are you really this dumb? There are guys on the list with 100 carries that have a higher average but also half the production.  You can't measure the prowess of any linebacker solely on a per rush average.  EDIT: You don't even know who jaylen samuels is gipper.  You exclusively talk out of your ass.

You are right....we cannot judge the prowess of a linebacker on his rush per average.

But you can measure the prowess of a running back by that.

E. g.   Jim Brown has the highest  ypc average in the history of the game (for an RB...I think Mike Vick may have a higher one).  It is what he is judged on.  (but I doubt you know that because don't know shit about football)

And certainly I know who Samuels is....the Steeler backup RB who had to come in because Conner was hurt. 

Or are you claiming it was Ridley...he who gained all of 80 yards rushing last year...fewer than BR.

And of those guys with better ypc...at least  18 of them ARE their teams  starting RB.  I won't list all the names....you can look them up yourself...if you are capable.   What it says is that Conner is in the lower half of starting RBs in the league in yards per carry.  (and that is behind your great starting OL)

And we certainly can judge them by that.  Everyone does but you apparently.