darren15 Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 Look how upset the fans were when taking Baker ....I wonder if they are still weeping BUDDY BOY BAKER GETS THE CALL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 I'm more than happy to take my plate to the all you can eat buffet of crow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 I’ll never forget that shock! I wasn’t mad or upset, just surprised. Dorsey wasn’t afraid to draft a less than ideal height QB 1st overall. Shoutout to Kirk Herbstreit for predicting the pick and predicting that Baker would fit in so well in Cleveland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 PFF had him far and away #1 so I wasn't shocked, I just hoped it would work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 big deal - a few? fans were not happy? shocked? MOST fans were delighted. Any more old news ya got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 I was thinking of Rosen. But certainly I liked him as my second favorite. In the draft presser I liked him the most along Rosen and against Georgia he made some impressive passes. One year later, I can't think of anyone more appropiate to lead this team, and Rosen has rumours saying that he's out of his team (which I think that whether you like him or not, it's absurd. He's a first round pick with only a year under his belt in a bad team) I'm glad the way everything turned out. Let's keep fighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 Truthfully I was thinking "Uh oh, another diminutive semi-running QB from the Big 12-2 who has rarely faced high level defenses." He is proving he is more than that thanks to work with Freddie. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 at the time.i was like couldnt we have traded down and.still gotten him? but no, pats were gonna throw the jets years worth of drafts to move up for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted April 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, calfoxwc said: big deal - a few? fans were not happy? shocked? MOST fans were delighted. Any more old news ya got? The Titanic has sunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 I was happy as heck. I knew we had to have that guy. He was clearly the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 For me, there was no other choice than Baker. I wanted that kid so bad & could only hope that Dorsey did too.I LOVED the part where Kirk Herbstreit politely shoved Mel's statement down his throat. Mike 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 I have to admit, the douchebag had a helluva rookie season..... 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 Originally I was dead set against drafting Manziel 2. Then when it was convincing enough that he was NOT a Manziel I wasn't against him being the pick if that's who Dorsey thought was the best QB, but I wanted a tall guy with good mechanics. In reality though, I wanted Dorsey to pick who he thought was the best QB at #1 and NOT to let someone else have the best QB and then go ahead and take who fell to him at #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 12 hours ago, Canton Mike said: I LOVED the part where Kirk Herbstreit politely shoved Mel's statement down his throat. Mike Me too; because of how slightly politely it was to the Ratbird Cheerleader. Herbie's skin wasn't just crawling - it was doing aerobics. BLEE DAT! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 17 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: Truthfully I was thinking "Uh oh, another diminutive semi-running QB from the Big 12-2 who has rarely faced high level defenses." He is proving he is more than that thanks to work with Freddie. The recent trend of Patrick Mahomes and Baker Mayfield from the Big 12 might want to have people looking at the QBs instead of their conferences moving forward. Once upon a time the Tedford System QBs were a "no no" until Aaron Rodgers ended such a trend. Having said that, was that Tedford Trend a big reason such a talent like Rodgers slid all the way to #24 overall to the team Favre was starting for? There were also the BYU QBs that didn't pan out as starters over the years like: Gifford Nielsen, Marc Wilson, Robbie Bosco, Ty Detmer and John Beck. However, Jim McMahon and Steve Young were enough of an exception to that rule to remind people to look at the QB instead of the school, system, conference, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 I called it before the draft...been happy with the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said: I called it before the draft...been happy with the pick. I called Garrett two years before his draft. "Don't worry...............................be happy!"🎼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 On 4/23/2019 at 1:26 PM, TexasAg1969 said: Truthfully I was thinking "Uh oh, another diminutive semi-running QB from the Big 12-2 who has rarely faced high level defenses." He is proving he is more than that thanks to work with Freddie. This was my concern as well, by far. I didn't think the guy was Manziel 2.0 in the slightest, but rather the simple truth of Big 12 QB's having essentially no success in the NFL. Between Mahomes and Baker, that script is officially flipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 On 4/24/2019 at 7:55 AM, Flugel said: The recent trend of Patrick Mahomes and Baker Mayfield from the Big 12 might want to have people looking at the QBs instead of their conferences moving forward. Once upon a time the Tedford System QBs were a "no no" until Aaron Rodgers ended such a trend. Having said that, was that Tedford Trend a big reason such a talent like Rodgers slid all the way to #24 overall to the team Favre was starting for? There were also the BYU QBs that didn't pan out as starters over the years like: Gifford Nielsen, Marc Wilson, Robbie Bosco, Ty Detmer and John Beck. However, Jim McMahon and Steve Young were enough of an exception to that rule to remind people to look at the QB instead of the school, system, conference, etc... People seem to forget that every once in awhile.. a guy like 5'7" Eddie LeBaron comes along and surprises people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, nickers said: People seem to forget that every once in awhile.. a guy like 5'7" Eddie LeBaron comes along and surprises people... The Chrysler LeBaron, and Eddie happened a long time ago. Until real recently those nasty analytics nerds thought NFL quarterbacks shouldn't be less than 6'2". Brees and Wilson were considered outliers in the equation. Baker's success last year threw that one out the window, and has paved the way for Kyler Murray to be drafted high this evening. It will remain to be seen if Murray can duplicate Mayfield's instant success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, hoorta said: The Chrysler LeBaron, and Eddie happened a long time ago. Until real recently those nasty analytics nerds thought NFL quarterbacks shouldn't be less than 6'2". Brees and Wilson were considered outliers in the equation. Baker's success last year threw that one out the window, and has paved the way for Kyler Murray to be drafted high this evening. It will remain to be seen if Murray can duplicate Mayfield's instant success. I just don't see Kyler as a pro QB.. I see him being a return man/RB/WildDawg type of guy... I just don't see him making an adjustment to the speed of the game based merely on the fact that WR's don't get 3 step cushions like they do in College... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 35 minutes ago, nickers said: I just don't see Kyler as a pro QB.. I see him being a return man/RB/WildDawg type of guy... I just don't see him making an adjustment to the speed of the game based merely on the fact that WR's don't get 3 step cushions like they do in College... It's possible he may flop, certainly has a higher bust potential than Mayfield. The little I've seen of Murray tells me he probably has more arm than Baker (reason he was a first round pick in MLB), and is certainly accurate enough- when his WRs were wide open. Didn't like that he didn't run a 40, but then again neither did Lamar Jackson. The big question is does he have the smarts? There were reports his whiteboard stuff was terrible, and underlying stuff his Wunderlich showed he's not very bright. EDIT: I'll take that back. Murray isn't box of rocks thick like Vince Young (6) but current thinking is 20 is the cutoff for considering a qb. Kyler is right on the cusp. Was able to dig these scores up: 43 — Ryan Finley, South Carolina (re-test; scored 28 on the first try)42 — Gardner Minshew, Washington State37 — Daniel Jones, Duke32 — Easton Stick, North Dakota State32 — Clayton Thorson, Northwestern31 — Trace McSorley, Penn State30 — Will Grier, West Virginia28 — Brett Rypien, Boise State27 — Jarrett Stidham, Auburn26 — Drew Lock, Missouri25 — Tyree Jackson, Buffalo25 — Dwayne Haskins, Ohio State22 — Sean McGuire, Western Illinois20 — Kyler Murray, Oklahoma So what's his MO going to be in the pros? If his first read is covered, take off running? Quick trip to IR. FWIW, Baker scored a 25 on the test and scored second highest on the improved version- the AIQ. "This year’s most anticipated draft player, Baker Mayfield, has scored the second highest score ever on the Athlete IQ test, or AIQ. The AIQ, a modernized version of the Wonderlic test - a test designed to measure player performance under stress - has been in development with the NFL since 2012, and is being used with existing Wonderlic scores to allow coaches to find the players with the best mental form for their team." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 I'm still in shock that we didn't pick Josh Allen 1st overall. He was the best QB prospect, by far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, jbluhm86 said: I'm still in shock that we didn't pick Josh Allen 1st overall. He was the best QB prospect, by far. Alcohol is a helleva drug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 I admit that I was overthinking the first pick oh, and thought Rosen or Darnold would be ready to play sooner. No pun intended. But even so I loved Baker Mayfield and was happy as a pig in shit when we drafted him, I just had to cross the fingers on both hands. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Westside Steve said: I admit that I was overthinking the first pick oh, and thought Rosen or Darnold would be ready to play sooner. No pun intended. But even so I loved Baker Mayfield and was happy as a pig in shit when we drafted him, I just had to cross the fingers on both hands. WSS To be fair neither of the other two had decent OLs. Not that ours were world beaters, but they were much better than the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: To be fair neither of the other two had decent OLs. Not that ours were world beaters, but they were much better than the other two. There has to be something more to it than that especially in the case of Rosen or he wouldn't have been demoted after 1 year. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 Just now, Westside Steve said: There has to be something more to it than that especially in the case of Rosen or he wouldn't have been demoted after 1 year. WSS There was for sure. The college coach who had JFF recruited hard for Murray to come to A&M, but then took the job at Tech where his defensive foibles did him in. Murray fits his college offense just like JFF did, so it was adios to the throwing pocket passer and hello college runner with an arm. Rosen just got thrown into the briar patch with an ideal pro style offense that fits him far better than the college one the Cards will run. It will be interesting to see which one develops into the best pro QB over the next 3-5 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Upset Browns fans? How about upset Bills fans? Bills take a once-in-a-generation QB talent in Josh Allen last year, only to draft ANOTHER QB this year in Tyree Jackson? What a waste of a pick. All the BIlls are doing is just slowing Allen's march to Canton down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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