Orion Posted April 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 3 hours ago, ballpeen said: Hilliard has his spot. Time to move on. So what does that mean to you? Cut him? Trade him for a flip of 7th round picks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 6 hours ago, ballpeen said: Hilliard has his spot. Time to move on. From Hilliard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Orion said: So what does that mean to you? Cut him? Trade him for a flip of 7th round picks? Maybe package Our 3rd and Duke to get back in to round 2. 3 hours ago, The Gipper said: From Hilliard. I doubt it. I don't know why so many think Duke a great player. If he was, he would have been playing more. Hilliard had 9 receptions last year on probably as many targets...I couldn't find that info. He will step in nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 Oh....people say why trade him when all we will get is a flip of 7th round picks. I think that says it right...he is a dime a dozen player. There are all kinds of journeymen backs out there who go from team to team and catch 40 balls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, ballpeen said: Maybe package Our 3rd and Duke to get back in to round 2. I doubt it. I don't know why so many think Duke a great player. If he was, he would have been playing more. Hilliard had 9 receptions last year on probably as many targets...I couldn't find that info. He will step in nicely. Duke was the best weapon this team had for a couple of years. Before Mayfield, before Chubb, before Calloway, before Landry. Perhaps that is why. Most of us do NOT believe his capability was diminished...only his utilization: Rushing & Receiving Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 64 10 299 1286 5 39 4.3 20.1 4.7 303 235 2170 9.2 8 52 3.7 33.9 77.6% 534 6.4719 3456 13 8 20 2015 22 CLE rb 29 16 7 104 379 0 39 3.6 23.7 6.5 74 61 534 8.8 2 52 3.8 33.4 82.4% 7.2 165 5.5333 913 2 1 5 2016 23 CLE rb 29 16 1 73 358 1 22 4.9 22.4 4.6 74 53 514 9.7 0 32 3.3 32.1 71.6% 6.9 126 6.9206 872 1 2 5 2017 24 CLE 29 16 0 82 348 4 19 4.2 21.8 5.1 93 74 693 9.4 3 41 4.6 43.3 79.6% 7.5 156 6.6731 1041 7 4 6 2018 25 CLE rb 29 16 2 40 201 0 23 5.0 12.6 2.5 62 47 429 9.1 3 32 2.9 26.8 75.8% 6.9 87 7.2414 630 3 1 4 To be reduced from 165 touches to 87 would reduce any player's output. Yet note that his yards per touch increase quite a bit last year...even though he had fewer touches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 5 hours ago, ballpeen said: ..he is a dime a dozen player. There are all kinds of journeymen backs out there who go from team to team and catch 40 balls. .....I believe in another thread I called it, "Rent - a - Running Back". Duke is a smart football player who can catch, run & block. I think Dorsey made a mistake when he answered the Karem Hunt question by answering, "No, singing Karem Hunt doesn't make Duke expendable yet." - I wish he wouldn't have said the word 'yet'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 - There will be NO TRADING UP INTO ROUND ONE - I just OK'ed the switch of band rehearsal from Wednesday night to Thursday night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 31 minutes ago, Orion said: - There will be NO TRADING UP INTO ROUND ONE - I just OK'ed the switch of band rehearsal from Wednesday night to Thursday night! I've been rehearsing getting rid of those 6th & 7th round picks all week..My wife's birthday tickets to me, says Jimmy Buffett hits the Nashville stage at 8 pm Saturday night..Let's wrap this thing up by 6Pm Dorsey.. Come Monday..i might be alright 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz41 Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 Ballpeen, you are contradicting yourself here. If you think his value is swap of 7th round picks, or even by himself worth a 5th, 6th, 7th, then packaging him with a 3rd is not even close to moving to 2nd. Now the thing I don't understand completely is people bringing up being the best player a couple years ago to assess value. I think he is more valuable on the team as I have said, and I can't get on board with packaging him to move up in 1st 3 rounds, as I don't see that value as I have said, but being the top playmaker on a bad team doesn't mean he had great value. What that says is that the team had bad talent. That doesn't mean he couldn't be a great talent, but using his as the "best" adds no value. The best player on a bad team doesn't mean that player would be good on another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 On 4/20/2019 at 7:13 PM, jcam222 said: Stay at 49 or move up if the right player / value exists. This team is not in need of collecting lower round draft capitol with a trade down. https://www.google.com/amp/s/brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/20/cleveland-browns-2019-nfl-draft-prospect-grades/amp/ Exactly. The FO already hinted they had determined any players left around pick 17 had second round value. Why would you trade back into the first if you think that? Hard to imagine a top 15 pick to fall far enough to jump that high. Moving up in the second seems far more likely, but what do I know? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 10 potential picks @ # 49 https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/10-players-the-cleveland-browns-could-select-with-pick-no-49-in-the-2019-nfl-draft/95-f431955d-d8e0-43cf-a5eb-474719c93efd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 22 minutes ago, Gunz41 said: Ballpeen, you are contradicting yourself here. If you think his value is swap of 7th round picks, or even by himself worth a 5th, 6th, 7th, then packaging him with a 3rd is not even close to moving to 2nd. Now the thing I don't understand completely is people bringing up being the best player a couple years ago to assess value. I think he is more valuable on the team as I have said, and I can't get on board with packaging him to move up in 1st 3 rounds, as I don't see that value as I have said, but being the top playmaker on a bad team doesn't mean he had great value. What that says is that the team had bad talent. That doesn't mean he couldn't be a great talent, but using his as the "best" adds no value. The best player on a bad team doesn't mean that player would be good on another I bolded the statements that, to me, say it all. I don't think Duke is/was as good as some think. I think he's an average back & the alleged picks suggested in trade pretty much verify that. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 1 hour ago, htownbrown said: The FO already hinted they had determined any players left around pick 17 had second round value. This is true. But IS IT true? Or was it pre-draft bullshit tossed out there by JD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 Idk, but most consider him a straight shooter. If he moves back into the first, a top 15 player on his board has probably fallen to the late 20s. Just doesn't seem likely to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 3 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: 10 potential picks @ # 49 https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/10-players-the-cleveland-browns-could-select-with-pick-no-49-in-the-2019-nfl-draft/95-f431955d-d8e0-43cf-a5eb-474719c93efd LOL Ag, you may be an A&M homer, but I'm definitely a (note the bold) Benedictine homer. Yeah, my HS Alma Mater, and unless things have seriously changed around there, Layne is a high quality individual. Enter Benedictine product Justin Layne, who is coming off a productive junior season at Michigan State in which he tallied 72 tackles, 2.5 of which came for a loss, 15 passes defended and 1 interception. At 6-foot-2 and 192 pounds, the second-team All-Big Ten selection is a bit rangier than Ward and could provide the Browns with more flexibility when it comes to defending opposing receivers. BTW, third round pick from last year Jerome Baker went to the same HS by way of Ohio State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Orion said: - There will be NO TRADING UP INTO ROUND ONE - I just OK'ed the switch of band rehearsal from Wednesday night to Thursday night! 3 hours ago, gumby73 said: I've been rehearsing getting rid of those 6th & 7th round picks all week..My wife's birthday tickets to me, says Jimmy Buffett hits the Nashville stage at 8 pm Saturday night..Let's wrap this thing up by 6Pm Dorsey.. Come Monday..i might be alright Haven't you guys heard of the wonders of DVR? I'll probably start watching the first round sometime around 9:30, just to rip through all the commercials and other BS. Gums, unless you're a total draft nerd, guys we take in the 6\7th round are going to be players you never heard of. Unless you really want to see who's going to take Mr. Irrelevant around 6PM Saturday, I'd say Buffett will be far more entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Gunz41 said: Ballpeen, you are contradicting yourself here. If you think his value is swap of 7th round picks, or even by himself worth a 5th, 6th, 7th, then packaging him with a 3rd is not even close to moving to 2nd. Now the thing I don't understand completely is people bringing up being the best player a couple years ago to assess value. I think he is more valuable on the team as I have said, and I can't get on board with packaging him to move up in 1st 3 rounds, as I don't see that value as I have said, but being the top playmaker on a bad team doesn't mean he had great value. What that says is that the team had bad talent. That doesn't mean he couldn't be a great talent, but using his as the "best" adds no value. The best player on a bad team doesn't mean that player would be good on another I was just talking about Duke as a sweetener. If such a move required something else, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 9 hours ago, Gunz41 said: Ballpeen, you are contradicting yourself here. If you think his value is swap of 7th round picks, or even by himself worth a 5th, 6th, 7th, then packaging him with a 3rd is not even close to moving to 2nd. Now the thing I don't understand completely is people bringing up being the best player a couple years ago to assess value. I think he is more valuable on the team as I have said, and I can't get on board with packaging him to move up in 1st 3 rounds, as I don't see that value as I have said, but being the top playmaker on a bad team doesn't mean he had great value. What that says is that the team had bad talent. That doesn't mean he couldn't be a great talent, but using his as the "best" adds no value. The best player on a bad team doesn't mean that player would be good on another I was already about to say the addition of Chubb & Baker made him less needed as a 3rd down back. Having said that I would give serious consideration to converting him to the slot. He's got what it takes to be a good one if he accepts the role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 6 hours ago, hoorta said: Haven't you guys heard of the wonders of DVR? I do not own a DVR. I have a DVD player/recorder but trying to figure out how to record something is a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 8 hours ago, hoorta said: LOL Ag, you may be an A&M homer, but I'm definitely a (note the bold) Benedictine homer. Yeah, my HS Alma Mater, and unless things have seriously changed around there, Layne is a high quality individual. Enter Benedictine product Justin Layne, who is coming off a productive junior season at Michigan State in which he tallied 72 tackles, 2.5 of which came for a loss, 15 passes defended and 1 interception. At 6-foot-2 and 192 pounds, the second-team All-Big Ten selection is a bit rangier than Ward and could provide the Browns with more flexibility when it comes to defending opposing receivers. BTW, third round pick from last year Jerome Baker went to the same HS by way of Ohio State. Yea...well....you went to the same high school as Chuck Noll......nuff said there. (and I was born in the same town as Bo Schembechler....so nuff said there also) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz41 Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 4 hours ago, ballpeen said: I was just talking about Duke as a sweetener. If such a move required something else, so be it. I understood your point. But it makes no sense when combined with your other statement. How is a "dime a dozen, worth a 7th rounder" become a 3rd round pick sweetener to move to 2nd? You don't have to assign someone a value to see how that makes no sense. Nobody would be good with trading a 2nd round pick for a 3rd and 7th. Let's just use an example here for context. Are you cool with the Browns trading pick 49 for pick 65 and 248 (Arizona 3rd and 7th)? Or let's use this, you good with pick 49 for pick 65 and 174 (the top picks in 3rd and 6th). People can have their own opinions on someone's value, and those can differ. If someone had the opinion that Duke had a 3rd round value, then they could make a case for a move up like that. But when you offer up an opinion that someone has very little value, you can't turn around and say he has good value to fit a narrative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 That's wasn't how I read it. All peen was saying, imo, that Duke can be extra fodder for a trade up, and as he later re-qualified, 'if it takes more, so be it'. That he did not offer a full eval of which additional picks he would offer doesn't mean only Duke was the additional compensation. Read the actual words, not what you think he typed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 8 hours ago, The Gipper said: Yea...well....you went to the same high school as Chuck Noll......nuff said there. (and I was born in the same town as Bo Schembechler....so nuff said there also) LOL, but did you go to the same high school as Bo is the question? Just being born in a town, in my case Cleveland- covers a lot of celebrities, sports and otherwise. Chuck may be our most famous alum, but those who follow golf have heard of Tom Weiskopf. #2 famous alum. Tom drove the green and aced a par 4 when he was on the golf team. The currently unemployed Najee Goode (formerly of the Eagles) is another of our guys that made it to the NFL. PS, not only did I go to the same HS as Noll, I followed him down the road here to the University of Dayton. BTW, Jon Gruden is also a UD grad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Gunz41 said: I understood your point. But it makes no sense when combined with your other statement. How is a "dime a dozen, worth a 7th rounder" become a 3rd round pick sweetener to move to 2nd? You don't have to assign someone a value to see how that makes no sense. Nobody would be good with trading a 2nd round pick for a 3rd and 7th. Let's just use an example here for context. Are you cool with the Browns trading pick 49 for pick 65 and 248 (Arizona 3rd and 7th)? Or let's use this, you good with pick 49 for pick 65 and 174 (the top picks in 3rd and 6th). People can have their own opinions on someone's value, and those can differ. If someone had the opinion that Duke had a 3rd round value, then they could make a case for a move up like that. But when you offer up an opinion that someone has very little value, you can't turn around and say he has good value to fit a narrative No, you don't understand my point. I said Duke could be the sweetener. I don't sit around with a draft value chart when I type. I never though that Duke and a 3rd rounder would get us in to the 2nd round. I said Duke could sweeten the deal...I assumed most would understand it would probably take another pick, especially since I said he is a dime a dozen player.. I also wasn't the one who said he was worth a 7th round flip. I think he has more value than that, especially as the guy to tip the scale in our favor towards a trade. Read the words man. Look, I like Duke and wanted to keep him until he started asking for a trade.....and really, I still like him. To me he like a Theo Reddick....a decent player, but not somebody you can't easily replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz41 Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, ballpeen said: No, you don't understand my point. I said Duke could be the sweetener. I don't sit around with a draft value chart when I type. I never though that Duke and a 3rd rounder would get us in to the 2nd round. I said Duke could sweeten the deal...I assumed most would understand it would probably take another pick, especially since I said he is a dime a dozen player.. I also wasn't the one who said he was worth a 7th round flip. I think he has more value than that, especially as the guy to tip the scale in our favor towards a trade. Read the words man. Look, I like Duke and wanted to keep him until he started asking for a trade.....and really, I still like him. To me he like a Theo Reddick....a decent player, but not somebody you can't easily replace. Well that isn't how it reads. You said "maybe package our 3rd and Duke to get back into Round 2" And you may not have been the one to say swap 7th, but you said that says it right. I don't know what your point is about the value chart, but if you were referring to me using those Cardinals picks, you don't need a chart in front of you. I didn't have one. Its simple, would YOU be happy if the Browns traded the 47th pick for a 3rd and 6th or 7th? Duke has no value on a chart, as that value is what someone is willing to give up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 Buzz off kid, and at my age most everybody is a kid so don't take that as a big insult. I was a teenager in 1964 , just driving a car when we last won a championship. If you are a contemporary , I'll call you Gramps rather than kid. I can't help it you don't get it. In your example, I might, it just depends on if the sweetener was something I needed. I think Dukes value is in a package deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, hoorta said: LOL, but did you go to the same high school as Bo is the question? Just being born in a town, in my case Cleveland- covers a lot of celebrities, sports and otherwise. Chuck may be our most famous alum, but those who follow golf have heard of Tom Weiskopf. #2 famous alum. Tom drove the green and aced a par 4 when he was on the golf team. The currently unemployed Najee Goode (formerly of the Eagles) is another of our guys that made it to the NFL. PS, not only did I go to the same HS as Noll, I followed him down the road here to the University of Dayton. BTW, Jon Gruden is also a UD grad. No, he went to Barberton, I went to Norton, right next door. My HS doesn't really have any famous alum....unless you consider a Playboy Playmate as famous: Sandra Hubby: Beat that with that All Boys school you went to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, ballpeen said: I also wasn't the one who said he was worth a 7th round flip. I think he has more value than that, That was me...kinda'. I was asking what Duke's value was. And I guess I'm still asking. What is Duke's trade value? I don't know of a Trade Value Chart for players. ...answering my own ? - Duke's value is intangible as it would be different for different teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz41 Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, ballpeen said: Buzz off kid, and at my age most everybody is a kid so don't take that as a big insult. I was a teenager in 1964 , just driving a car when we last won a championship. If you are a contemporary , I'll call you Gramps rather than kid. I can't help it you don't get it. In your example, I might, it just depends on if the sweetener was something I needed. I think Dukes value is in a package deal. What your value for him is really isn't important, neither is mine. The point is, whether it was your intention or not (which it seems like it wasn't), your post read as the Browns 3rd round pick and Duke to move up to 2nd round. You don't seem to see that, but you know what you were trying to convey. From someone else's POV, it looks like you meant Duke and 3rd to move up. There is no mention or insinuation of anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 RD1 RD2 RD3 RD4 RD5 RD6 RD7 PK/TM VAL PK/TM VAL PK/TM VAL PK/TM VAL PK/TM VAL PK/TM VAL PK/TM VAL 1 ARI 3000 33 ARI 580 65 ARI 265 103 ARI 88 139 ARI 36 174 ARI 21.4 215 TB 5 2 SF 2600 34 IND 560 66 PIT 260 104 SF 86 140 OAK 35.5 175 PIT 21 216 KC 4.6 3 NYJ 2200 35 OAK 550 67 SF 255 105 NYJ 84 141 PIT 35 176 SF 20.6 217 NYJ 4.2 4 OAK 1800 36 SF 540 68 NYJ 250 106 OAK 82 142 NYG 34.5 177 NO 20.2 218 OAK 3.8 5 TB 1700 37 NYG 530 69 JAX 245 107 TB 80 143 NYG 34 178 JAX 19.8 219 PIT 3.4 6 NYG 1600 38 JAX 520 70 TB 240 108 NYG 78 144 CLE 33.5 179 ARI 19.4 220 HOU 3 7 JAX 1500 39 TB 510 71 DEN 235 109 JAX 76 145 TB 33 180 NYG 19 221 CLE 2.6 8 DET 1400 40 BUF 500 72 CIN 230 110 CIN 74 146 DET 32.6 181 BUF 18.6 222 CHI 2.3 9 BUF 1350 41 DEN 490 73 NE 225 111 DET 72 147 BUF 32.2 182 DEN 18.2 223 CIN 2 10 DEN 1300 42 CIN 480 74 BUF 220 112 BUF 70 148 DEN 31.8 183 CIN 17.8 224 DET 1.7 11 CIN 1250 43 DET 470 75 GB 215 113 BAL 68 149 CIN 31.4 184 DET 17.4 225 BUF 1.4 12 GB 1200 44 GB 460 76 WAS 210 114 GB 66 150 GB 31 185 GB 17 226 GB 1.1 13 MIA 1150 45 ATL 450 77 CAR 205 115 CAR 64 151 MIA 30.6 186 ATL 16.6 227 WAS 1 14 ATL 1100 46 WAS 440 78 MIA 200 116 MIA 62 152 ATL 30.2 187 CAR 16.2 228 BUF 1 15 WAS 1050 47 CAR 430 79 ATL 195 117 ATL 60 153 WAS 29.8 188 TEN 15.8 229 DET 1 16 CAR 1000 48 MIA 420 80 CLE 190 118 GB 58 154 CAR 29.4 189 CLE 15.4 230 ATL 1 17 NYG 950 49 CLE 410 81 MIN 185 119 CLE 56 155 CLE 29 190 MIN 15 231 NO 1 18 MIN 900 50 MIN 400 82 TEN 180 120 MIN 54 156 DEN 28.6 191 BAL 14.6 232 NYG 1 19 TEN 875 51 TEN 390 83 PIT 175 121 TEN 52 157 TEN 28.2 192 PIT 14.2 233 MIA 1 20 PIT 850 52 PIT 380 84 KC 170 122 PIT 50 158 BUF 27.8 193 BAL 13.8 234 MIA 1 21 SEA 800 53 PHI 370 85 BAL 165 123 BAL 49 159 SEA 27.4 194 GB 13.4 235 OAK 1 22 BAL 780 54 HOU 360 86 HOU 160 124 SEA 48 160 BAL 27 195 HOU 13 236 JAX 1 23 HOU 760 55 HOU 350 87 CHI 155 125 DEN 47 161 HOU 26.6 196 NYJ 12.6 237 DEN 1 24 OAK 740 56 NE 340 88 DET 150 126 CHI 46 162 CHI 26.2 197 PHI 12.2 238 CHI 1 25 PHI 720 57 PHI 330 89 IND 145 127 PHI 45 163 PHI 25.8 198 CIN 11.8 239 NE 1 26 IND 700 58 DAL 320 90 DAL 140 128 DAL 44 164 IND 25.4 199 IND 11.4 240 IND 1 27 OAK 680 59 IND 310 91 LAC 136 129 IND 43 165 DAL 25 200 LAC 11 241 DAL 1 28 LAC 660 60 LAC 300 92 SEA 132 130 LAC 42 166 LAC 24.6 201 KC 10.6 242 LAC 1 29 SEA 640 61 KC 292 93 NYJ 128 131 BUF 41 167 KC 24.2 202 NO 10.2 243 NE 1 30 GB 620 62 NO 284 94 LAR 124 132 NYG 40 168 NO 23.8 203 LAR 9.8 244 NO 1 31 LAR 600 63 KC 276 95 NYG 120 133 LAR 39 169 LAR 23.4 204 DET 9.4 245 NYG 1 32 NE 590 64 NE 270 96 WAS 116 134 NE 38.5 170 CLE 23 205 NE 9 246 NE 1 97 NE 112 135 IND 38 171 NYG 22.6 206 WAS 8.6 247 MIN 1 98 JAX 108 136 DAL 37.5 172 ATL 22.2 207 PIT 8.2 248 ARI 1 99 LAR 104 137 ATL 37 173 WAS 21.8 208 TB 7.8 249 ARI 1 100 CAR 100 138 PHI 36.5 209 MIN 7.4 250 MIN 1 101 NE 96 210 CIN 7 251 LAR 1 102 BAL 92 211 CIN 6.6 252 NE 1 212 SF 6.2 253 WAS 1 213 CIN 5.8 254 ARI 1 214 KC 5.4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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