LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 Just now, Gorka said: This is California. When have they not shit the bed. This time it's gonna be different? But they can do that with even good ideas or the best of intentions. They shouldn't be the measuring stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted April 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 Just now, LogicIsForSquares said: Everyone has a beef with how the money is spent depending on their politics. See the first few posts about the homeless vets. I'd say they earn every cent that would be given them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Vambo said: I'd say they earn every cent that would be given them. No doubt. But the what is sacrificed in the budget to help them is always where the wailing and gnashing of teeth happens. To date, no one in the White House has put a real effort into addressing the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: And you are missing the point of human nature...work requirements should be for all government handouts for able bodied people. If an able bodied person turns down government aid because of work requirements they really do not need the aid, .... That's.... Not the point of the study.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: What would be your idea of how to address the people who don't have jobs? Of which there would be a whole bunch. Not asking that as snark. seriously? retraining. When I hired in to develop a computer program for a company - they warned me that others tried and failed miserably. They gave me all the work they had accomplished, and I couldn't use any of it - it was scrambled birds nest menus poorly designed, with buttons with no code - just an interface that was all wrong. When I told em that, they were po'd. When I interviewed the people doing the jobs now, that my system would do - they were a good bit hostile - they thought I would put them out of work. Not true - I explained that the software I will develop - was only going to be a pseudo-AI system - meaning - only to a point, can the software analyze 30 gig databases, and make updates with the new databases, record by record, delete duplications etc etc etc etc. So, to a point, it did most of the job in less than a minute - but there were always a few hundred data anomalies that kicked out into an exception file. When it went live, the users of the software loved it - they were always a week behind and making mistakes everywhere - now, they still keep busy but it worked beautifully. Anyways, I say, retraining - I will never have surgery via robot, and will never have a robot nurse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, MLD Woody said: .... That's.... Not the point of the study.... Not the point just part of the solution...the point of the study I am fine with. The solution is a proven failure of just handing out money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted April 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: No doubt. But the what is sacrificed in the budget to help them is always where the wailing and gnashing of teeth happens. To date, no one in the White House has put a real effort into addressing the problem. Need to go would like to pick up this after I get back. Thank you for the respectful debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 Just now, calfoxwc said: seriously? retraining. When I hired in to develop a computer program for a company - they warned me that others tried and failed miserably. They gave me all the work they had accomplished, and I couldn't use any of it - it was scrambled birds nest menus poorly designed, with buttons with no code - just an interface that was all wrong. When I told em that, they were po'd. When I interviewed the people doing the jobs now, that my system would do - they were a good bit hostile - they thought I would put them out of work. Not true - I explained that the software I will develop - was only going to be a pseudo-AI system - meaning - only to a point, can the software analyze 30 gig databases, and make updates with the new databases, record by record, delete duplications etc etc etc etc. So, to a point, it did most of the job in less than a minute - but there were always a few hundred data anomalies that kicked out into an exception file. When it went live, the users of the software loved it - they were always a week behind and making mistakes everywhere - now, they still keep busy but it worked beautifully. Anyways, I say, retraining - I will never have surgery via robot, and will never have a robot nurse. There may be nothing to retrain to. The not wanting those things may be out of your hands. Honestly, most of you guys may have passed on by the time it gets completely wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Vambo said: Need to go would like to pick up this after I get back. Thank you for the respectful debate. No problem, buddy. Have a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Too late. You already didn't plan for the future when ghosts take over the machines and Jefferson Davis takes over the U.S. with his robot minions. The South will rise again....and never sleep! dammit.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 I will be old and hope the ass wiping robot is set to 'gentle'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 hour ago, LogicIsForSquares said: But they can do that with even good ideas or the best of intentions. They shouldn't be the measuring stick. Ah yes those "good intentions". Good intentions makes libs feel good about themselves and morally superior. Good intentions mean never having to say you're sorry. The left is free to implement these good intentions until doomsday because blame cannot be placed on libs laps when their policies fail. Why? Because their intentions were good that's why duh! They are absolved and cannot be held responsible because, well again...their intentions were good! What would they do without Republicans to blame? How each side approaches it... Libtards: Does it feel good? Rational people: Does it do good? And if it feels good, it must be good....hence this new California experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 4 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Well what do you think should be done about people not having work in the future due to automation? Use them as batteries for the matrix? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 This has nothing to do with "libtards" or "feelings". Christ. Every damn thing has to become us vs them. We're heading to a future where a large portion of the population won't have a job to do. There won't be any "work requirement" if there is no work to do. Some jobs will still exist, but not enough to go around. This study is to start looking at what a UBI might look like, and how it might play out. Laziness doesn't matter. Sobriety doesn't matter. Your biases don't matter. Also, to the point of "there will be no innovation because people will become complacent". That's like saying because someone has a job at McDonald's so they have no reason to ever strive and be more. If that's all it takes to deter someone, they weren't getting far to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: This has nothing to do with "libtards" or "feelings". Christ. Every damn thing has to become us vs them. We're heading to a future where a large portion of the population won't have a job to do. There won't be any "work requirement" if there is no work to do. Some jobs will still exist, but not enough to go around. This study is to start looking at what a UBI might look like, and how it might play out. Laziness doesn't matter. Sobriety doesn't matter. Your biases don't matter. Also, to the point of "there will be no innovation because people will become complacent". That's like saying because someone has a job at McDonald's so they have no reason to ever strive and be more. If that's all it takes to deter someone, they weren't getting far to begin with. I won't really argue with you a lot of what you say is probably true. There will be less and less jobs for people to do. No matter who you are no matter what snap courses you took as computers take the jobs that hundreds of Engineers used to have. Or ATMs take the jobs of bank tellers or automatic checkout or the kiosk in the fast food restaurant replace even those McDonald's workers you were talking about. But just like over feeding goldfish human beings with nothing to do who receive Food and shelter for nothing... Well I guess you can make your own conclusions about that. give them weed and booze just to keep them occupied I guess. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 5 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: "The money comes without any restrictions, such as requiring recipients to be employed or maintain sobriety." Stockton here I come........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: This has nothing to do with "libtards" or "feelings". Christ. Every damn thing has to become us vs them. We're heading to a future where a large portion of the population won't have a job to do. There won't be any "work requirement" if there is no work to do. Some jobs will still exist, but not enough to go around. This study is to start looking at what a UBI might look like, and how it might play out. Laziness doesn't matter. Sobriety doesn't matter. Your biases don't matter. Also, to the point of "there will be no innovation because people will become complacent". That's like saying because someone has a job at McDonald's so they have no reason to ever strive and be more. If that's all it takes to deter someone, they weren't getting far to begin with. When this happens, we exterminate the unneeded population. Say at age 30, everyone goes to a happy place (extermination camp). Keeps the population low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: When this happens, we exterminate the unneeded population. Say at age 30, everyone goes to a happy place (extermination camp). Keeps the population low. Logan’s Run starring Diehard, Cal, and Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 They're coming for your job next, Steve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemist Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 Do you really think that computers will ever be able to actually “think,” reason, or be conscious?? How can that type of thing even be programmed. Computers will not replace engineers. A computer cannot be ethical. Even animals are unable of such thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Chemist said: Do you really think that computers will ever be able to actually “think,” reason, or be conscious?? Found the one that never heard of Skynet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 13 hours ago, The Cysko Kid said: They're coming for your job next, Steve. That's not as ridiculous as it sounds. I actually use a drum machine in my show but I know guys that use entire midi setups. Some guys use MP3 backgrounds, similar to karaoke which eliminates the need for musicians. I used to have a harmonizer which I quit using but that eliminates the need for somebody to sing a second or third part. Since the days of the discotheque how many establishments have recorded music and DJs as the source of entertainment? In more and more Arena sized venues the huge Acts use varying degrees of recorded instruments and vocals. ⁉️ WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 11 hours ago, Chemist said: Do you really think that computers will ever be able to actually “think,” reason, or be conscious?? How can that type of thing even be programmed. Computers will not replace engineers. A computer cannot be ethical. Even animals are unable of such thought. I absoultely think they will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 Not only that for the music industry, but keep in mind different cycles in history necessitated different types of musical entertainment chamber music and solo fiddler Etc for the king and the king's court overtaken during the Industrial Revolution as more people lived in the same compact area and they started building big concert Halls. In order to fill a big concert hall you needed a good-sized Orchestra and the symphony was all the rage. Then, guess what? The sound system made a 40 or 50 piece Orchestra obsolete. Except as a novelty. So there ya go WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 13 hours ago, Chemist said: Do you really think that computers will ever be able to actually “think,” reason, or be conscious?? How can that type of thing even be programmed. Computers will not replace engineers. A computer cannot be ethical. Even animals are unable of such thought. Even if you think that's true, there aren't enough engineering jobs (and jobs like that) to go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: Even if you think that's true, there aren't enough engineering jobs (and jobs like that) to go around. Do you suppose that shortage would be more or less if computers didn't exist? Plus it seems to require a pretty demanding skill set and one not particularly interesting to most people. But to be sure it's not something any schmuck could do. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemist Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 I don’t know how anyone could expect a computer program to make ethical decisions. To do so requires a conscience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemist Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 An interesting viewpoint: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201606/the-myth-sentient-machines%3Famp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, Chemist said: I don’t know how anyone could expect a computer program to make ethical decisions. To do so requires a conscience. Why would that be? Human beings are taught morality, and more often than not it's not human nature. You can teach a computer to react. Sure somebody has to program it. But somebody has to teach children too. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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