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50 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

 the Ravens as evidence that height can be an issue at times for Baker.  Especially when resetting in the pocket and finding additional throwing lanes 

True..but would not change a thing from the top QB's we had to choose from..

9 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

I like his pick of Takitaki as a player to watch. He wasn't anywhere on my radar when chosen, but obviously the pro pickers ion the FO liked him for reasons that should comne to the forefront this year. Therefore this pick as the #1 most interesting player to watch is a very good pick IMO. As a guy who believes that defense gets you in playoffs and wins them, I could not have picked a better one to be curious about anywhere else on the team. That said I would pick his fellow rookie Mack Wilson as #2.

C1zN.gif    Am not sure my Stretch Armstrong has recovered from our only reach in that draft..Sione Takitaki could be the reach of Austin Corbett/Chad Thomas? Or could be the stretch of Denzel Ward over Bradley Chubb? stay tuned..

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13 hours ago, gumby73 said:

True..but would not change a thing from the top QB's we had to choose from.

Cool. My point is in relation to the commentary from that video.  If someone is going to speak of something as an absolute definite, then don't let there be easily found evidence to contradict the claim. 

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13 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

Cool. My point is in relation to the commentary from that video.  If someone is going to speak of something as an absolute definite, then don't let their be easily found evidence to contradict the claim. 

That final play still hurts to watch...13:02 needs no commentary..1)tad earlier, Robinson can't miss that block..2) give it up to CJ Mosley for making a heck of a play..That some say he can't cover..Joel B. has Mosley's hands tied down..Then the cat strikes his hand loose in the only window Baker could take..I'd almost bet,Baker see's Joel but never saw who he was blocking?..Baker, clean in open space looks easy..He will need to make his money, finding passing windows with OL clutter..Commentary Romo?.. absolute defined Contradict,is his speciality no matter who's at QB..He does have his good moments also,imo  EDIT--the play off u-tube feed is at my 11sec..Again Robinson blows his assignment, not knowing who to block, so he blocks nobody.It's gotta stop,he's 330 & not conditioned for the 4th quarter.Baker makes the young mistake of "it's 2nd down, live to see another down and throw it away" instead Panic a force.. here's the good but bad stuff, Baker kicked himself all off season..Makes the good into great, on what he does next time..Brady changes L's into W's on death drive like those

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On 6/5/2019 at 2:25 PM, Zombo said:

WR1  O. Beckham, A. Callaway, D. Willies,  B. Jackson

WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, D .Ratley, J.Strong

The thought is keeping six.  -  a battle between Strong & Ratley.  (I like the 6'4 Willies)

Dorsey is like the anti Ray Farmer.  Farmer didn't value receivers, "They don't handle the ball enough" he said.  (in a passing league era.  I'll never forget how disappointed I was when I heard him say that)

Dorsey has done a great job of first, GETTING our QB....and then surrounding him with all of the weapons that he could get his hands on.

OBJ...........NJOKU...x...x...x...x...x.......Landry.........Higgins

.......................................Baker...........Chubb

Play-fake to Chubb and how much you wanna bet Njoku or Higgins would be wide open?

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On 6/5/2019 at 2:25 PM, Zombo said:

MLB Schoebert, M. Wilson R. Armstrong

OLB G. Avery, A. Taylor, A. Stubbs

OLB C. Kirksey, S. Takitaki D,.Young

CB D. Ward , T. Carrie, T. Thomas, J.Burris, L. Pipkins

CB  T. Mitchell, G. Williams, E. Murray, D. Lewis P. Gaines

FS D. Randall, S. Redwine,

SS  M. Burnett,  J Whitehead

 

What grabs my attention is, "how many LB'ers will they dress on gameday"? the Wilks plan is to play 2 LB & a combination of 5 DB's..Feels like we should at least dress 4 LB'ers..Taki or Wilson could be sharing the inactive list?..Doubt Dorsey would want to waive either to hit PS? He who wins on Phiefer's special teams will be key..

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2 hours ago, gumby73 said:

What grabs my attention is, "how many LB'ers will they dress on gameday"? the Wilks plan is to play 2 LB & a combination of 5 DB's..Feels like we should at least dress 4 LB'ers..Taki or Wilson could be sharing the inactive list?..Doubt Dorsey would want to waive either to hit PS? He who wins on Phiefer's special teams will be key..

Ray Ray Armstrong is my first man off the roster ... and the first man off always makes the roster once the inevitable injuries start (let's pray they are minimal this year). I think they signed the veteran Taylor to be active on Sundays and the new boys too. I think Priefer may have more say on who stays at this position than the LB coach, Al Holcomb, who is also the "run game Coordinator" for the D.

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Time to Dust this thing off, rapid changes coming...

QB B.Mayfield, D.Stanton, G. Gilbert, D. Blough

FB/H-B O. Charles

RB  N. Chubb, Du. Johnson,  D.Hilliard (Hunt Susp.) D'e. Johnson

WR1  O. Beckham, A. Callaway, D. Willies,  B. Jackson

WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, D .Ratley, J.Strong. I. Hyman

TE D. Njoku, D. Harris, S. Devalve, P. Brown

LT G. Robinson, B. Seaton

LG J. Bitonio D. Forbes

C J.Tretter E. Kush

RG  A.Corbett, K. Kalis B. Witzmann

RT C. Hubbard, K. Lamm 

 

DE M. Garrett, C. Smith, C. Thomas

DT  Ogunjobi, C. Davis, D. Lawrence

DT  S. Richardson,T Coley, B. Price, D. Eukale

DE O. Vernon, Zettle,

MLB Schoebert, M. Wilson R. Armstrong

OLB G. Avery, A. Taylor, A. Stubbs

OLB C. Kirksey, S. Takitaki D,.Young

CB D. Ward , T. Carrie, T. Thomas, J.Burris, L. Pipkins

CB  T. Mitchell, G. Williams, E. Murray, D. Lewis P. Gaines

FS D. Randall, S. Redwine,

SS  M. Burnett,  J Whitehead

 

K A. Seibert, G. Joseph

P Colquitt, J. Gillan

LS Hughlett

KR (Hilliard) D. Sheehy-Guiseppe

PR (Callaway)

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2 hours ago, Zombo said:

Time to Dust this thing off, rapid changes coming...

QB B.Mayfield, D.Stanton, G. Gilbert, D. Blough

FB/H-B O. Charles

RB  N. Chubb, Du. Johnson,  D.Hilliard (Hunt Susp.) D'e. Johnson

WR1  O. Beckham, A. Callaway, D. Willies,  B. Jackson

WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, D .Ratley, J.Strong. I. Hyman

TE D. Njoku, D. Harris, S. Devalve, P. Brown

LT G. Robinson, B. Seaton

LG J. Bitonio D. Forbes

C J.Tretter E. Kush

RG  A.Corbett, K. Kalis B. Witzmann

RT C. Hubbard, K. Lamm 

 

DE M. Garrett, C. Smith, C. Thomas

DT  Ogunjobi, C. Davis, D. Lawrence

DT  S. Richardson,T Coley, B. Price, D. Eukale

DE O. Vernon, Zettle,

MLB Schoebert, M. Wilson R. Armstrong

OLB G. Avery, A. Taylor, A. Stubbs

OLB C. Kirksey, S. Takitaki D,.Young

CB D. Ward , T. Carrie, T. Thomas, J.Burris, L. Pipkins

CB  T. Mitchell, G. Williams, E. Murray, D. Lewis P. Gaines

FS D. Randall, S. Redwine,

SS  M. Burnett,  J Whitehead

 

K A. Seibert, G. Joseph

P Colquitt, J. Gillan

LS Hughlett

KR (Hilliard) D. Sheehy-Guiseppe

PR (Callaway)

Can the Browns roster spots really be this well set?  Except for maybe 2-3 backup spots  (and maybe kicker)  this seems pretty solid.

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Jeeeezzzzus when you look at the X HB QB TE SLOT Z "skill players" it's almost scary.

And that's without my brown and orange glasses on.

GO BROWNS..... now try to relax, if you can.

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Updated 8/3 B-Lockey Jackson gone.

QB B.Mayfield, D.Stanton, G. Gilbert, D. Blough

FB/H-B O. Charles

RB  N. Chubb, Du. Johnson,  D.Hilliard (Hunt Susp.) D'e. Johnson

WR1  O. Beckham, A. Callaway, D. Willies,  J. Strong

WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, D .Ratley,  I. Hyman

TE D. Njoku, D. Harris, S. Devalve, P. Brown

LT G. Robinson, B. Seaton

LG J. Bitonio D. Forbes, B. Witzmann

C J.Tretter , K. Kalis

RG  A.Corbett, E. Kush 

RT C. Hubbard, K. Lamm 

 

DE M. Garrett, A. Zettle, C. Thomas

DT  Ogunjobi, C. Davis, D. Lawrence, D. Eukale

DT  S. Richardson,T Coley, B. Price,

DE O. Vernon, G. Avery, C. Smith

MLB Schoebert, S. Takitaki  

SLB A. Taylor, A. Stubbs

WLB C. Kirksey, M. Wilson R. Armstrong 

CB D. Ward , T. Carrie(Nickel)T.Thomas,J.Burris, L. Pipkins

CB  T. Mitchell, G. Williams, E. Murray(Dime), D. Lewis P. Gaines

FS D. Randall, S. Redwine,

SS  M. Burnett,  J Whitehead

 

K A. Seibert, G. Joseph

P Colquitt, J. Gillan

LS Hughlett

KR (Hilliard) D. Sheehy-Guiseppe

PR (Callaway)

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And now we have the first Official Unofficial depth chart from the Browns...

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https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2019/8/5/20756324/cleveland-browns-first-depth-chart-of-training-camp

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What is up with the guys in parentheses?   Duke,  Devalve and a some others?

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I think the (parentheses) are for noting injured players not currently practicing. As in non-serious minor injuries. 

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Duke hasn't practiced in a long time.   His trade value is no doubt skyrocketing.

I think Corbett is listed as starter just because they're not ready to name the actual starter yet.

I'm anxious to see what our b/u QB is going to look like.  If Hilliard looks like a viable replacement for Duke.  Who's gonna get those final two WR spots.  What's Pharaoh Brown like? - And we've got some young LB'ers and DB's.  I'm anxious to see if they can play tackle football.

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1) want to see all 6 of those back-up DT's.. 2) I got Willies in as 5th WR(we need a size WR in redzone), the 6th is Ratley vs Hyman vs.Strong..if Guiseppi can't handle kicking duties? he'd be lucky to see PS..3)DE-got Chris Smith in, leaving Zettle & a upgrade over Chad Thomas..4) Taki & Wilson 40's are faster than Scho & Kirk..am watching the angles they take to get home..5) Both Tackles scare the hell out of me (Lamm only back-up) more than RG..If Trent Williams goes for a 2nd & a 5th?(Dwayne Brown from Texans to Seattle) Pay the Man!! 6) I like the backend personal of this defense. Speed & Length. I've read* good about T.Mitchell..but, I've seen* bad T.Mitchell in coverage on video highlights too..Will the real Greedy Williams please show UP? 7) vanilla O, leads to Punt/ Kick & ST fest..those will matter in 4 preseason games

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23 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

I got Willies in as 5th WR(we need a size WR in redzone)

I do too.  But there's a long way to go yet.  The only other receiver with size is Dorian Baker at 6-3.  

 

38 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

Both Tackles scare the hell out of me (Lamm only back-up) more than RG

I hear ya...

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8 minutes ago, Orion said:

I do too.  But there's a long way to go yet.  The only other receiver with size is Dorian Baker at 6-3. 

Ratley and Strong are both 6-2.

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37 minutes ago, Orion said:

 The only other receiver with size is Dorian Baker at 6-3.  

Have you seen this dude? His upper body is thick & ripped..I got no clue if he can run nor cut with speed, but ya can't miss a truck WR..we shall see

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8 hours ago, gumby73 said:

Have you seen this dude?

A few days ago I looked for some highlights of him.  There aren't many.  In one of 'em the color commentator said something about him being a pass dropper.   

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Updated 8/7 

Starter Battles:

RG Kush, may have the lead now, but I'm sticking with Corbett

K Joseph is ahead of Siebert with the Browns, but I'm holding out jhope the strong-legged Siebert "gets it" in the next couple of weeks.

Roster battles:

TE Pharoah Brown and LB Ray Ray Armstrong are the two guys not in bold who I think will ascend to the roster when final cuts are made, just not sure who goes yet .

I don't see a need to keep 3 QBS, so I think Gilbert and Stanton are fighting for a roster spot, Stanton will have to prove he's not ready to coach yet.

Jaelen Strong has a good shot at roster spot, Ratley needs to get healthy

We made need to go outisde the roster for OL depth, Forbes is yet to impress and Lamm is really the only backup tackle option

Backup Defensive tackle is a fluid situation, any of those guys can win jobs ... or lose them.

QB B.Mayfield, D.Stanton, G. Gilbert, D. Blough

FB/H-B O. Charles

RB  N. Chubb, Du. Johnson,  D.Hilliard (Hunt Susp.) D'e. Johnson

WR1  O. Beckham, A. Callaway, D. Willies,  J. Strong

WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, D .Ratley,  I. Hyman

TE D. Njoku, D. Harris, S. Devalve, P. Brown

LT G. Robinson, B. Seaton

LG J. Bitonio D. Forbes, B. Witzmann

C J.Tretter , K. Kalis

RG  A.Corbett, E. Kush 

RT C. Hubbard, K. Lamm 

 

DE M. Garrett, A. Zettle, C. Thomas

DT  Ogunjobi, C. Davis, D. Lawrence, D. Eukale

DT  S. Richardson,T Coley, B. Price,

DE O. Vernon,  C. Smith

MLB Schoebert, S. Takitaki  

SLB  G. Avery, A. Taylor, A. Stubbs

WLB C. Kirksey, M. Wilson R. Armstrong 

CB D. Ward , T. Carrie(Nickel)T.Thomas,J.Burris, L. Pipkins

CB  T. Mitchell, G. Williams, E. Murray(Dime), D. Lewis P. Gaines

FS D. Randall, S. Redwine,

SS  M. Burnett,  J Whitehead

 

K A. Seibert, G. Joseph

P Colquitt, J. Gillan

LS Hughlett

KR (Hilliard) D. Sheehy-Guiseppe

PR (Callaway)

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14 hours ago, Zombo said:

We made need to go outisde the roster for OL depth,

I think you can bank on that as a certainty.  I predict that player #53 that survives our final cuts.......will be waived the next day because we picked up an OLineman.

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On 8/7/2019 at 9:07 AM, Zombo said:

Updated 8/8 Gumby73

 

QB B.Mayfield, D.Stanton,G.Gilbert, D. Blough*

FB/H-B O. Charles

RB  N. Chubb, D.Hilliard (Hunt Susp.) D'e. Johnson

WR1  O. Beckham, A. Callaway, D. Willies,  D.Ratley*

WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, J.Strong,  I. Hyman*

TE D. Njoku, D. Harris, P.Brown, Devalve

LT G. Robinson, B. Seaton*

LG J. Bitonio   D.Forbes*

C J.Tretter , K. Kalis

RG E. Kush, A.Corbett 

RT C. Hubbard, K. Lamm 

 

DE M. Garrett, A. Zettle, 

DT  Ogunjobi, C. Davis, D.Eukale D. Lawrence* 

DT  S. Richardson,T Coley, B. Price

DE O. Vernon,  C. Smith

MLB Schoebert, S. Takitaki  

SLB  G. Avery, A. Taylor,   Harvey*

WLB C.Kirksey, M.Wilson  Stubbs  

CB D. Ward , T. Carrie(Nickel)T.Thomas,J.Burris, L. Pipkins*

CB  T. Mitchell, G. Williams, E. Murray(Dime),P, Gaines   D.Lewis*

FS D. Randall, S. Redwine,

SS J Whitehead,M.Burnett J.Dean*

 

K G.Joseph . A.Seibert

P Colquitt, 

LS Hughlett

KR (Hilliard) 

PR (Callaway)

throwing this up as the media vibe am reading as of preseason game 1..* = practice squad//    it's wide open for anybody to take somebody's job..

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5 hours ago, gumby73 said:

throwing this up as the media vibe am reading as of preseason game 1..* = practice squad//    it's wide open for anybody to take somebody's job..

Lawrence looked like a rotational guy...not a PS guy.

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7 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Lawrence looked like a rotational guy...not a PS guy.

was thrilled for Devaroe,Gip..we got a peek of why the saints kept this guy after their camp in 2017..He's seen jail walls & his ACL recovery has cost him almost 2 years.I saw the injury👀happen,it was horrid.He's only age 26 & wow his explosion off the snap is back..I should have listened to Freddie call him "unblockable" late at camp, instead of the media hype on Eukale..The more the better, but Roe deserves a chance to stay healthy a full season 🙏 

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7 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Lawrence looked like a rotational guy...not a PS guy.

I want to add Lawrence. I think Gilbert will stick on as QB3, I didn't think Seaton looked too bad and my emotional side wants Seehy. Obviously I need to update my depth chart, with Duke gone, but I 'll wait a few days after this one to see where some dust settles.

Zombo

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23 minutes ago, Zombo said:

 my emotional side wants Sheehy.

Zombo

My eye side added him as soon as I saw how fast he accelerates and pulls away. Can't teach speed. We have ourselves a returner now. Hopefully both KOs and Punts.

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