darren15 Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Are you getting the feeling that we are going to go the H-back route again? I am... Agree with your take, but I did not see Ward's tackling as "incorrect"... unless Gregg was promoting rugby style (head behind). Ward's "head in front" is the classic method, but does put la cabasa in harms way... Agree that Joe is a more than competent MLB, but he's not the tone-setting, impact guy that great D's feature. That's why I was so focused on picking White when we still had our 1st-rounder. Nor does Kirk fill that bill... We can make due with Joe inside again, but if someone is added, or someone we already have emerges, then Joe can slide outside where he played his college ball. Who is "PBE"??? Pass Blocking Efficiency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 38 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Are you getting the feeling that we are going to go the H-back route again? I am... Ya, I keep expecting to hear that Orson Charles is coming back. The offense was effective with him in that role last year. Z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 8 hours ago, Tour2ma said: but I did not see Ward's tackling as "incorrect"... unless Gregg was promoting rugby style (head behind). Dunno. But I know that Gregg said it more than once about Ward. ...I agree....who is PBE? Professional Bowlers of some sort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 8 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Ward's "head in front" is the classic method, but does put la cabasa in harms way... You only used 2 words in Spanish and you made a mistake: la cabeza. Last warning. (I bet I would injure myself if I tried to tackle somebody) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Nero said: (I bet I would injure myself if I tried to tackle somebody) You should also worry about correcting others' spanish... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 A lot going on today, so her is an update: Updated 4/1/19 Guys in bold are guys that I think make the current final 53 QB B.Mayfield, D.Stanton FB/HB RB N. Chubb, D. Johnson, D.Hilliard (Hunt Susp.) WR1 O. Beckham, A. Calloway, D. Willies, B. Jackson WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, J.Strong, D .Ratley, TE D. Njoku, D. Harris, S. Devalve, P. Brown LT G. Robinson, D. Harrison LG J. Bitonio E. Kush C J.Tretter K. Kalis RG A.Corbett, B. Witzmann RT C. Hubbard, K. Lamm B. Seaton DE Garrett, Smith, Thomas DT Ogunjobi, C. Davis, D. Lawrence DT S. Richardson,T Coley, B. Price DE O. Vernon, Ogbah, Zettle, MLB Schoebert, R. Armstrong OLB G. Avery, Hines OLB C. Kirksey, A. Thomas CB D. Ward , T. Thomas, J.Burris CB T. Mitchell, T. Carrie, P. Gaines S D. Randall S J Whitehead K Joseph P Colquitt LS Hughlett KR (Hilliard) PR (Calloway) Updated Major Needs: Safety, Linebacker, Tackle, Cornerback Other concerns: Backup QB, Kicker Right now we are playing some cornerbacks at safety ... but I think that'll change soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 21 hours ago, Zombo said: A lot going on today, so her is an update: Updated 4/1/19 Guys in bold are guys that I think make the current final 53 QB B.Mayfield, D.Stanton FB/HB RB N. Chubb, D. Johnson, D.Hilliard (Hunt Susp.) WR1 O. Beckham, A. Calloway, D. Willies, B. Jackson WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, J.Strong, D .Ratley, TE D. Njoku, D. Harris, S. Devalve, P. Brown LT G. Robinson, D. Harrison LG J. Bitonio E. Kush C J.Tretter K. Kalis RG A.Corbett, B. Witzmann RT C. Hubbard, K. Lamm B. Seaton DE Garrett, Smith, Thomas DT Ogunjobi, C. Davis, D. Lawrence DT S. Richardson,T Coley, B. Price DE O. Vernon, Zettle, MLB Schoebert, R. Armstrong OLB G. Avery, Hines OLB C. Kirksey, A. Thomas CB D. Ward , T. Thomas, J.Burris CB T. Mitchell, T. Carrie, P. Gaines S D. Randall, J Whitehead S E. Murray K Joseph P Colquitt LS Hughlett KR (Hilliard) PR (Calloway) Updated Major Needs: Linebacker, Safety, Tackle, Cornerback Other concerns: Backup QB, Kicker Right now we are playing some cornerbacks at safety ... but I think that'll change soon. https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/01/derrick-kindred-cleveland-browns-safeties-draft-tre-boston/ Some thoughts on filling depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 Here we come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 6 hours ago, Zombo said: Updated Major Needs: Safety, Linebacker, Tackle, Cornerback Under the premise that if too many things are important, then nothing is... I still have to go with LB as our major need, but will concede that Dorsey is doing all he can to raise SS to the same level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: Under the premise that if too many things are important, then nothing is... I still have to go with LB as our major need, but will concede that Dorsey is doing all he can to raise SS to the same level. But now hasn’t he taking care of that issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: But now hasn’t he taking care of that issue Well... he added Murray... who I don't think is as good as Kindred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 10:07 AM, Zombo said: Ya, I keep expecting to hear that Orson Charles is coming back. The offense was effective with him in that role last year. Z I agree. I think it was a bad move to move on from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 11 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Well... he added Murray... who I don't think is as good as Kindred. Somebody posted that Murray was like rated in the 50s among safeties...where Kindred was rated in the 90s...by PFF or PFT or one of those sites. You don't put any credibility there? (though I did ask just that question: are we or are we not getting better than we gave up?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 The Orsen Charles Update: Updated 4/3/19 QB B.Mayfield, D.Stanton FB/H-B O. Charles RB N. Chubb, D. Johnson, D.Hilliard (Hunt Susp.) WR1 O. Beckham, A. Calloway, D. Willies, B. Jackson WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, J.Strong, D .Ratley, TE D. Njoku, D. Harris, S. Devalve, P. Brown LT G. Robinson, D. Harrison LG J. Bitonio E. Kush C J.Tretter K. Kalis RG A.Corbett, B. Witzmann RT C. Hubbard, K. Lamm B. Seaton DE Garrett, Smith, Thomas DT Ogunjobi, C. Davis, D. Lawrence DT S. Richardson,T Coley, B. Price DE O. Vernon, Zettle, MLB Schoebert, R. Armstrong OLB G. Avery, Hines OLB C. Kirksey, A. Thomas CB D. Ward , T. Thomas, J.Burris CB T. Mitchell, T. Carrie, P. Gaines S D. Randall, J Whitehead S E. Murray K Joseph P Colquitt LS Hughlett KR (Hilliard) PR (Calloway) Updated Major Needs: Linebacker, Safety, Tackle, Cornerback Other concerns: Backup QB, Kicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 4, 2019 Report Share Posted April 4, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 9:07 AM, Zombo said: Ya, I keep expecting to hear that Orson Charles is coming back. Good call there... On 4/2/2019 at 9:15 AM, The Gipper said: Somebody posted that Murray was like rated in the 50s among safeties...where Kindred was rated in the 90s...by PFF or PFT or one of those sites. You don't put any credibility there? (though I did ask just that question: are we or are we not getting better than we gave up?) PFF... and in the absence of personal observation, I do put stock in PFF's views. Even when I have my own takes I find I agree with PFF much of the time. This is simply an instance where I do not. In part I think Kindred's less playing time was a big factor in PFF's lower rating for him. In the classic SS role I see Kindred as the better prospect... as more in the TJ Ward mold of a hitter who can cover. Murray? Better coverage guy to be sure, but will rock no one. Right now I do not see a "tone-setter" in our back 7... and that concerns me. I thought and still think that Kindred had a shot at being that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 Updated with Burnett & Gilbert. Starting to flesh out like a real depth chart, which I guess is the idea heading into the draft. Updated 4/5/19 QB B.Mayfield, D.Stanton, G. Gilbert FB/H-B O. Charles RB N. Chubb, D. Johnson, D.Hilliard (Hunt Susp.) WR1 O. Beckham, A. Calloway, D. Willies, B. Jackson WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, D .Ratley, J.Strong TE D. Njoku, D. Harris, S. Devalve, P. Brown LT G. Robinson, D. Harrison LG J. Bitonio E. Kush C J.Tretter K. Kalis RG A.Corbett, B. Witzmann RT C. Hubbard, K. Lamm B. Seaton DE Garrett, Smith, Thomas DT Ogunjobi, C. Davis, D. Lawrence DT S. Richardson,T Coley, B. Price DE O. Vernon, Zettle, MLB Schoebert, R. Armstrong OLB G. Avery, Hines OLB C. Kirksey, A. Thomas CB D. Ward , T. Thomas, J.Burris CB T. Mitchell, T. Carrie, P. Gaines FS D. Randall, J Whitehead SS M. Burnett, E. Murray K Joseph P Colquitt LS Hughlett KR (Hilliard) PR (Calloway) Updated Needs: Linebacker, Tackle, Cornerback, Safety, Kicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 It’s a lot more fun to look at the 4-5 positions the Browns could look to upgrade than the 4-5 holes they need to fill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 Updated with round two and three draft picks Nobody is getting annointed a starter yet, but our depth grows! Updated 4/27/19 QB B.Mayfield, D.Stanton, G. Gilbert FB/H-B O. Charles RB N. Chubb, D. Johnson, D.Hilliard (Hunt Susp.) WR1 O. Beckham, A. Calloway, D. Willies, B. Jackson WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, D .Ratley, J.Strong TE D. Njoku, D. Harris, S. Devalve, P. Brown LT G. Robinson, D. Harrison LG J. Bitonio E. Kush C J.Tretter K. Kalis RG A.Corbett, B. Witzmann RT C. Hubbard, K. Lamm B. Seaton DE Garrett, Smith, Thomas DT Ogunjobi, C. Davis, D. Lawrence DT S. Richardson,T Coley, B. Price DE O. Vernon, Zettle, MLB Schoebert, R. Armstrong OLB G. Avery, Takitaki, Hines OLB C. Kirksey, A. Thomas CB D. Ward , T. Carrie, T. Thomas, J.Burris CB T. Mitchell, G. Williams, P. Gaines FS D. Randall, J Whitehead SS M. Burnett, E. Murray K Joseph P Colquitt LS Hughlett KR (Hilliard) PR (Calloway) Updated Needs: Linebacker, Tackle, Cornerback, Safety, Kicker, Depth Everywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Zombo said: Updated with round two and three draft picks Nobody is getting annointed a starter yet, but our depth grows! Updated 4/27/19 Updated Needs: Linebacker, Tackle, Cornerback, Safety, Kicker, Depth Everywhere I respectfully disagree. ILB is still the most glaring need on this team. Fix that and let the good times roll. Don't fix it and we will still be vulnerable to the hard runners. First test will be Henry now that they know he wears down the middle of most defenses by the 2nd half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: I respectfully disagree. ILB is still the most glaring need on this team. Fix that and let the good times roll. Don't fix it and we will still be vulnerable to the hard runners. First test will be Henry now that they know he wears down the middle of most defenses by the 2nd half. Not a Schoebert fan? We just drafted an inside linebacker and we have Ray Ray as depth too. Not sure how it all pans out, but the guys in bold are our top linebackers. Zombo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zombo said: Not a Schoebert fan? We just drafted an inside linebacker and we have Ray Ray as depth too. Not sure how it all pans out, but the guys in bold are our top linebackers. Zombo No I am not a fan of his as ILB. Maybe the line we now put together in front of him will protect him better, but he just is not a great ILB IMO. EDIT: And I am completely underwhelmed by the big reach in rd 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: No I am not a fan of his as ILB. Maybe the line we now put together in front of him will protect him better, but he just is not a great ILB IMO. EDIT: And I am completely underwhelmed by the big reach in rd 3. I will take you off the list of Takitaki t-shirts I am ordering. Zombo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Zombo said: I will take you off the list of Takitaki t-shirts I am ordering. Zombo I preferred Tikotaco anyway. It would have insured the special at Tacobell.🤩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 On 4/5/2019 at 10:12 AM, darren15 said: It’s a lot more fun to look at the 4-5 positions the Browns could look to upgrade than the 4-5 holes they need to fill We assume at this point that cornerback and LB are upgraded somewhat....even if it is for backups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: I respectfully disagree. ILB is still the most glaring need on this team. Fix that and let the good times roll. Don't fix it and we will still be vulnerable to the hard runners. First test will be Henry now that they know he wears down the middle of most defenses by the 2nd half. How do you figure that we are going to improve at ILB at this point...with just 4th to 7th round picks to go? Do you have a hidden gem in mind that is left on the board? Or do you want/expect a trade of some sort? (I am going to assume there are no FA LBs out there that would help...again...unless you know otherwise.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 Updated after the draft. Will sprinkle in a few udfas later after I've had a chance to read about them. Hit every need I had listed in the draft ... what a squad! Updated 4/28/19 QB B.Mayfield, D.Stanton, G. Gilbert FB/H-B O. Charles RB N. Chubb, D. Johnson, D.Hilliard (Hunt Susp.) WR1 O. Beckham, A. Callaway, D. Willies, B. Jackson WR2 J. Landry, R. Higgins, D .Ratley, J.Strong TE D. Njoku, D. Harris, S. Devalve, P. Brown LT G. Robinson, D. Harrison LG J. Bitonio D. Forbes C J.Tretter K. Kalis RG A.Corbett, E. Kush B. Witzmann RT C. Hubbard, K. Lamm B. Seaton DE M. Garrett, C. Smith, C. Thomas DT Ogunjobi, C. Davis, D. Lawrence DT S. Richardson,T Coley, B. Price DE O. Vernon, Zettle, MLB Schoebert, M. Wilson R. Armstrong OLB G. Avery, A. Taylor, Hines OLB C. Kirksey, S. Takitaki CB D. Ward , T. Carrie, T. Thomas, J.Burris CB T. Mitchell, G. Williams, D. Lewis, P. Gaines FS D. Randall, S. Redwine, J Whitehead SS M. Burnett, E. Murray K A. Seibert, G. Joseph P Colquitt LS Hughlett KR (Hilliard) PR (Callaway) Further position definitions: I have Callaway as the third wideout with Landry in slot. Eric Kush should be the backup center when the dust settles. I could see D. Lewis going to the practice squad with E. Murray being an extra dime corner and Whitehead making the team as a special teamer. I'm sure camp will bring many changes! Updated Needs: Linebacker, Tackle, Cornerback, Safety, Kicker, Depth Everywhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 It's never too early! "The future of the league is brown and orange" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 All in all I am very happy with how much better this team starts out from where we ended up last season. Vast improvement in major areas of weakness both sides of the ball that help our offense become even more of a scoring machine and our D the ability to create many more opportunities for the offense to make those scores. Now next year all we have to do is add the Ray Guy Award winning A&M punter who set the all time single season yards per punt at 50.98.🤗🤩😂 (That plus Garrett should clear the books completely from the Johnny Football mistake).😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 23 hours ago, The Gipper said: How do you figure that we are going to improve at ILB at this point...with just 4th to 7th round picks to go? Do you have a hidden gem in mind that is left on the board? Or do you want/expect a trade of some sort? (I am going to assume there are no FA LBs out there that would help...again...unless you know otherwise.) To answer my own question: Yes....there may have been a hidden gem in rounds 4-7....that being Mack Wilson (who I had seen on a few draft prospect boards as a possible 2d rounder....so I never thought he would be there in round 5) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 From Zombo: Updated Needs: Linebacker, Tackle, Cornerback, Safety, Kicker, Depth Everywhere So, I guess you are going to conclude that the Browns nailed it, fair to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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