Zeitler

[darren15]

6 hours ago, Orion said:

I'll second that!

......I like that guy Willies that we have.  He's BIG.

It's because he is sponsored by Viagra

[tiamat63]

8 hours ago, PoeticG said:

Two receivers that are on that level... who needs an offensive line. 

Matty ice and the 2014 Falcons say hi. 

[The Gipper]

12 hours ago, PoeticG said:

Beckham is a superstar. He and Landry are best friends and go waaay baaack. Two receivers that are on that level... who needs an offensive line. And Corbett is a freaking monster, Zeitler is good but he's 28 and good luck being able to get that level of value for him in a year or two from now. Strike while the iron is hot. It's playoff time! 

28 is young for an OL....many of whom play til their late 30s.  At 28 he would be right in his prime.

[beare]

why hate mess with ol if you can get beckham a superstar wr you got to do it!!!!

[hoorta]

15 hours ago, jcam222 said:

Not a chance on earth they cut him. The only way he is being moved is if its to acquire a huge signing impact player. Now one Twitter I read said NYC sports radio believes the Giants are getting Zeitler, Ogbah and 2nd and 4th for OBJ. Who knows, its silly season. The REALLY cool thing about silly season? All the big time players WANT to come here. 

Said it before, the Browns are now in a position they don't have to be way too generous when trade discussions come up. And that's some Giants fans fantasy fleecing Cleveland.

13 hours ago, PoeticG said:

Oh damn! Explosive~ 

See above Po. Dorsey isn't going to overspend to bring in a head case second only to Antonio Brown just to make Landry happy. There's also a concept you're missing out on. It's called positional cap spending. We're already paying Jarvis a ton of money, and bringing in Beckham will cost even more. 

Hey you want explosive? We'll throw Chubb and our first in on the above deal, if the Giants give us Saquon too.

 

[CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS]

”I wouldn’t feel confident describing them (the rumors) as serious. I think it’s the time of year where there are lots and lots and lots of conversations.”

In addition, Kinkhabwala revealed that the Giants “laughed” at Dorsey’s offer of right guard Kevin Zeitler, defensive end Emmanuel Ogbah and an additional unnamed player in exchange for Beckham, who in his five years with the Giants has averaged 78 receptions, 1,095 yards and 8.8 touchdowns per year, while making three Pro Bowls. (Sadly, she did not report if the Giants responded to the trade request with the use of emojis.)

Cleveland, Oakland, and San Fran are the biggest trade names...That would wipe a need off of the board..

[hoorta]

5 minutes ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said:

”I wouldn’t feel confident describing them (the rumors) as serious. I think it’s the time of year where there are lots and lots and lots of conversations.”

In addition, Kinkhabwala revealed that the Giants “laughed” at Dorsey’s offer of right guard Kevin Zeitler, defensive end Emmanuel Ogbah and an additional unnamed player in exchange for Beckham, who in his five years with the Giants has averaged 78 receptions, 1,095 yards and 8.8 touchdowns per year, while making three Pro Bowls. (Sadly, she did not report if the Giants responded to the trade request with the use of emojis.)

Cleveland, Oakland, and San Fran are the biggest trade names...That would wipe a need off of the board..

They can keep right on laughing if they think Dorsey is going to offer even that much...  I'm merging this with the Zeitler thread...   

[The Gipper]

25 minutes ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said:

”I wouldn’t feel confident describing them (the rumors) as serious. I think it’s the time of year where there are lots and lots and lots of conversations.”

In addition, Kinkhabwala revealed that the Giants “laughed” at Dorsey’s offer of right guard Kevin Zeitler, defensive end Emmanuel Ogbah and an additional unnamed player in exchange for Beckham, who in his five years with the Giants has averaged 78 receptions, 1,095 yards and 8.8 touchdowns per year, while making three Pro Bowls. (Sadly, she did not report if the Giants responded to the trade request with the use of emojis.)

Cleveland, Oakland, and San Fran are the biggest trade names...That would wipe a need off of the board..

What would the Giants want in a trade?

[PoeticG]

7 hours ago, hoorta said:

See above Po. Dorsey isn't going to overspend to bring in a head case second only to Antonio Brown just to make Landry happy. There's also a concept you're missing out on. It's called positional cap spending. We're already paying Jarvis a ton of money, and bringing in Beckham will cost even more. 

Hey you want explosive? We'll throw Chubb and our first in on the above deal, if the Giants give us Saquon too.

 

We have 80 Million in cap space for the 2019 season. I would worry about money if it gets us to the Superbowl. 

I would trade Zeitler, Ogbah, Duke Johnson, Nick Chubb and a first, a second and a third for OBJ and Saquon. 

The Browns offense would score 50 points a game. 

[tiamat63]

3 minutes ago, PoeticG said:

We have 80 Million in cap space for the 2019 season. I would worry about money if it gets us to the Superbowl. 

I would trade Zeitler, Ogbah, Duke Johnson, Nick Chubb and a first, a second and a third for OBJ and Saquon. 

The Browns offense would score 50 points a game. 

 

[Mark O]

1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

 

It works awesome on Madden....

[darren15]

3 hours ago, PoeticG said:

We have 80 Million in cap space for the 2019 season. I would worry about money if it gets us to the Superbowl. 

I would trade Zeitler, Ogbah, Duke Johnson, Nick Chubb and a first, a second and a third for OBJ and Saquon. 

The Browns offense would score 50 points a game. 

Do you rate Saquon ?

[Orion]

Trading Zeitler (and others) for OBJr.     And since somebody mentioned Ghoolie in another thread:   Ghoolie would say, Trade that fatass and any other fatassess the Giants want for him.  Because fatasses are a dime a dozen and worth less than zero.

But I maintain that part of the Giants problem has been their OL  (the fatasses).  I mean, the receivers and the QB can only make the OL look 'so' good.  The OL has fundamentally got to be able to pass block to some extent.  And I don't want OUR OL to wind up making Baker look more like Eli has looked.

[hoorta]

6 hours ago, PoeticG said:

We have 80 Million in cap space for the 2019 season. I would worry about money if it gets us to the Superbowl. 

I would trade Zeitler, Ogbah, Duke Johnson, Nick Chubb and a first, a second and a third for OBJ and Saquon. 

The Browns offense would score 50 points a game. 

Let's scratch the Saquon part of the deal- because that's not happening, no way no how. Yanking your chain Po.  Let's see what (if the latest hot rumor comes to pass) how much the Bills have to give up to get Antonio Brown. That's pretty much going to set the market. If you think OBJ is worth a lot more, you'd be wong. Maybe a little more, because he's younger. But the Giants are going to want top dollar for him- they don't have to trade him- and we can just as easily draft one of the top WRs that's going to be there in the second round- at a way cheaper price. We don't absolutely need OBJ either.  Dorsey drafted Tyreek Hill, in case you forgot. 

[PoeticG]

10 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Let's scratch the Saquon part of the deal- because that's not happening, no way no how. Yanking your chain Po.  Let's see what (if the latest hot rumor comes to pass) how much the Bills have to give up to get Antonio Brown. That's pretty much going to set the market. If you think OBJ is worth a lot more, you'd be wong. Maybe a little more, because he's younger. But the Giants are going to want top dollar for him- they don't have to trade him- and we can just as easily draft one of the top WRs that's going to be there in the second round- at a way cheaper price. We don't absolutely need OBJ either.  Dorsey drafted Tyreek Hill, in case you forgot. 

Yeah, I know we don't need him. I'd be happy with DK Metcalf but the chemistry with Landry and Baker would be amazing.

[hoorta]

13 minutes ago, PoeticG said:

Yeah, I know we don't need him. I'd be happy with DK Metcalf but the chemistry with Landry and Baker would be amazing.

Metcalf is a physical freak. Some have questioned his ability to get in and out of breaks though. Some mocks have us taking Marquise Brown, but I just don't see it. He's sub smurf in size.  5' 9", 166. The Ohio State homer in me says take a serious look at Parris Campbell.Just as fast as Metcalf, and decent sized at 6' 0" 205. (which is an inch taller and 7 pounds heavier than OBJ) 

[domcucch1994]

I know OBJ is an explosive player, but it would be unwise to trade Zeitler for  him and deplete that side of our line.

It's great to have explosive players, but when Baker is taking hit after hit cause Corbett can't hang.... he will get injured..

Go after that Metcalf kid, or Marquise Brown if we're gonna go the WR route..

[CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS]

7 hours ago, PoeticG said:

Yeah, I know we don't need him. I'd be happy with DK Metcalf but the chemistry with Landry and Baker would be amazing.

You think Metcalf is worth trading UP for? Browns have traded back and aquired picks for as long as I can remember. Not too much trading up, especially in the higher rounds.. he would have to fall considerably for it to happen, I think

Njoku is the best trade-up pick I would imagine, by a long margin. And Callaway, who the Browns traded up with the Patriots for 😎😎

 

[jiggins7919]

Our QB got hit like 9 times in the last 8 games or something like that.  Not sacked, HIT.  (I could be wrong on this stat, but I don't think so)

If you have a stat like that, you don't have salary cap problems, and you want to run the ball...YOU DON'T TRADE AWAY ONE OF THE BEST OL IN FOOTBALL.  

[Dutch Oven]

10 hours ago, jiggins7919 said:

Our QB got hit like 9 times in the last 8 games or something like that.  Not sacked, HIT.  (I could be wrong on this stat, but I don't think so)

If you have a stat like that, you don't have salary cap problems, and you want to run the ball...YOU DON'T TRADE AWAY ONE OF THE BEST OL IN FOOTBALL.  

You also don't use damn near a first rounder on a guy like Corbett to have him sit on the bench for a second season in a row. 

Now, you might be right jiggins, but Corbett was taking someone's job this coming season. 

[tiamat63]

5 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

You also don't use damn near a first rounder on a guy like Corbett to have him sit on the bench for a second season in a row. 

Now, you might be right jiggins, but Corbett was taking someone's job this coming season. 

Earned or by "see what we have approach"...?  

As history has shown, the latter tends to fail.  

[Canton Mike]

Zeitler is without doubt a fine guard, but a few things I see as not yet answered...

-I see "pass blocking grades" on Zeitler...what are his "run blocking grades"?

-How much of a positive impact on pass blocking grades is Baker's quick release, ability to extend plays, pre-snap reads & seeing field. In other words, what may Zeitler's grade have been with less than stellar QB play & what may Corbett's benefit by Baker's anticipated/continued stellar play?

-New OL Coach Campen. To what extent has his input & film study determined readiness of Corbett & viability of the trade?

I'm certainly not hitting the panic button re the loss of Zeitler. It may not be as big a negative impact as some see.

Mike, the eternal optimist.

 

[Dutch Oven]

5 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

Earned or by "see what we have approach"...?  

As history has shown, the latter tends to fail.  

I have no idea if he will have earned a starting spot, but most GMs aren't going to let a high draft pick of theirs sit. Isn't a real good look for them. 

[7moses7]

4 minutes ago, Canton Mike said:

Zeitler is without doubt a fine guard, but a few things I see as not yet answered...

-I see "pass blocking grades" on Zeitler...what are his "run blocking grades"?

-How much of a positive impact on pass blocking grades is Baker's quick release, ability to extend plays, pre-snap reads & seeing field. In other words, what may Zeitler's grade have been with less than stellar QB play & what may Corbett's benefit by Baker's anticipated/continued stellar play?

-New OL Coach Campen. To what extent has his input & film study determined readiness of Corbett & viability of the trade?

I'm certainly not hitting the panic button re the loss of Zeitler. It may not be as big a negative impact as some see.

Mike, the eternal optimist.

 

Exactly , Dorsey is gonna play his hand picked players especially high 2nd round picks. He knew he had a stockpile of guards and that would play into the movement to build up a weakness 

[TexasAg1969]

I'm tellin' ya I think Dorsey has his eye on Erik McCoy, a pulling Guard with power, athletic ability and speed (tops for OL in the combine) disguised as a Center in college. Every spring they played him at guard, but they could never find anyone good enough to replace him at Center when the season rolled around. Smart enough to graduate in 3 1/2 years last Dec. too and come out a year early as a RS Junior. There was a reason A&M had the league leading RB last season. If we don't move up in the 1st for a ILB, then I hope we do so in the 2nd for McCoy. He will be gone by the time we pick in the 2nd. He had too good a Senior Bowl week and too good a combine to last that far into the 2nd. And now we have a need.

[jiggins7919]

On 3/8/2019 at 8:15 PM, Dutch Oven said:

You also don't use damn near a first rounder on a guy like Corbett to have him sit on the bench for a second season in a row. 

Now, you might be right jiggins, but Corbett was taking someone's job this coming season. 

Ya know, this is a tough one.  I honestly thought we drafted Corbett to be Tretter's replacement, but the problem with THAT is Tretter has absolutely balled out on people, and he's much more affordable.  Additionally, you don't want to change your new QB's center in just his second year, so the plan to move Corbett to Center (if there ever was one) was nixed, and this made Zeitler trade bait.  I have to say, I was pretty pissed at first.  You simply don't muck with the OL when you don't HAVE TO, but....BUT....we needed a pash rusher, and we needed one BADLY.  I love Ogbah as a person, but he didn't cut the mustard.  We desperately needed a viable pass rusher opposite Myles, and now we have it.  Now, we just have to hope Corbett can play!  LOL

[jrb12711]

16 minutes ago, jiggins7919 said:

Ya know, this is a tough one.  I honestly thought we drafted Corbett to be Tretter's replacement, but the problem with THAT is Tretter has absolutely balled out on people, and he's much more affordable.  Additionally, you don't want to change your new QB's center in just his second year, so the plan to move Corbett to Center (if there ever was one) was nixed, and this made Zeitler trade bait.  I have to say, I was pretty pissed at first.  You simply don't muck with the OL when you don't HAVE TO, but....BUT....we needed a pash rusher, and we needed one BADLY.  I love Ogbah as a person, but he didn't cut the mustard.  We desperately needed a viable pass rusher opposite Myles, and now we have it.  Now, we just have to hope Corbett can play!  LOL

Honestly and put more simply, pass rush is the 2nd most important thing in the NFL outside of a franchise QB. Zeitler was elite, but Vernon provides as you've noted a much needed upgrade at a more vital position.

I think maybe we're focused too much on Corbett as well. T.J. Lang for example would fit in nicely here who just got released, and we interviewed several OL candidates at the combine. Dorsey has been strong in making moves so he has a card to play, that's for sure.

[hoorta]

3 hours ago, jrb12711 said:

Honestly and put more simply, pass rush is the 2nd most important thing in the NFL outside of a franchise QB. Zeitler was elite, but Vernon provides as you've noted a much needed upgrade at a more vital position.

I think maybe we're focused too much on Corbett as well. T.J. Lang for example would fit in nicely here who just got released, and we interviewed several OL candidates at the combine. Dorsey has been strong in making moves so he has a card to play, that's for sure.

Lang will be 32 this year, coming off a neck injury, and may retire. He'd be no more than a stopgap- and would cost plenty. We're committed to Corbett, and probably will draft a OG in the lower rounds. 

[Dutch Oven]

4 hours ago, hoorta said:

Lang will be 32 this year, coming off a neck injury, and may retire. He'd be no more than a stopgap- and would cost plenty. We're committed to Corbett, and probably will draft a OG in the lower rounds. 

Or a center, since a lot of people thought that was where Corbett was going to be groomed to go... 

[ATOM]

i for one believe Dorsey can evaluate talent he has all ready proven that so I would Fucking believe that Corbett will be just fine