choco Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, ballpeen said: I can agree to an extent. TV revenues.....maybe not a bad idea, though I wouldn't say all....maybe 40%? Exclude from playoffs....that wouldn't work, you are hurting players and fans. And not all teams are like the Pats, they never sniff the playoffs. Hold draft picks.....maybe that as well. I will say I don't like your attitude towards people with some wealth. Sounds socialist. Some day I hope you have some, and you will, and your attitude will change on that matter. No...it's a stupid idea. And illegal. So you seem to be right in how he sees people with wealth. TV money is a signed contract. Unless there's a behavior clause in there, ain't a damn way rog can touch that money. Opinion born of jealousy maybe? Seems harse to be punished more because your rich. Problem is they always walk....eichstein or whoever he is, for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 If you really think about it, what punishment could be greater than the humiliation & public scrutiny he must endure? All his family, friends, business associates know. I would want to crawl under a rock! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 I wonder if his balls were deflated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: I would venture to say a decent majority of us have been in a handjob parlor..... Seriously, how does this gem get missed by everyone? No, can't say that I have, and hell, I worked next to one in Warren 20+ years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 32 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: Seriously, how does this gem get missed by everyone? No, can't say that I have, and hell, I worked next to one in Warren 20+ years ago. Count me in as one who has never been. Strip club absolutely for bachelor parties and in college when that was the "cool" thing to do but never been to a "hand job parlor" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: No, can't say that I have, and hell, I worked next to one in Warren 20+ U have to admit, "cant say i have" sounds exactly like a man standing next to.his wife when that subject gets brought up.....😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Ive been to one in my life out west in the bay area when i visited....had no idea there were ones in ohio. Hang on lemme open up my notebook here ok where did u say tgat was again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 4 hours ago, hoorta said: Wrong. Suspended 6 games, and fined $500,000. Admittedly that's almost pocket change for an NFL owner... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000387267/article/colts-jim-irsay-suspended-six-games-fined-500k Kraft could have bought the business... Seriously Bob, this wasn't good enough for you? http://www.manolith.com/2012/07/11/get-to-know-ricki-noel-lander-new-england-patriots-owner-robert-krafts-alleged-young-girlfriend-photos/ But she loves him. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: Ive been to one in my life out west in the bay area when i visited....had no idea there were ones in ohio. Hang on lemme open up my notebook here ok where did u say tgat was again? In the bay area? Hmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: Ive been to one in my life out west in the bay area when i visited....had no idea there were ones in ohio. Hang on lemme open up my notebook here ok where did u say tgat was again? Let's just say the Warren/Youngstown area was very interesting in the 90s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Some people are acting like he ran the place. Like he smuggled women into the place as slaves. Did the place have a sign posted inside that the women where brought there from afar without their consent? I personally have nothing against Bob Kraft. He turned that lonely stadium out in Foxborough, MA into the impressive Patriot's Place. My best friend and I sat in his luxury box (in the old stadium). He came RIGHT OVER to talk to me and was very nice. (Of course they were playing the Browns - Bill B as our coach, Tomzack as our QB - and I was wearing my brown V-neck sweater with the orange helmet on the left chest, cos I had no idea that I was to be in Mr. Kraft's luxury box) ....soon as he saw me his eyes lit up, he quit talking to who he was talking to and came over to me like he was shot from a cannon. I was like, Jezuz H Kryst....it's freakin' Bob Kraft! But as I said, he was very nice. I think it's sad what happened to him. And I feel bad for him. (unless, of course, he KNEW what we now know about the place - which I'd bet he did not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Orion said: Some people are acting like he ran the place. Like he smuggled women into the place as slaves. Did the place have a sign posted inside that the women where brought there from afar without their consent? I personally have nothing against Bob Kraft. He turned that lonely stadium out in Foxborough, MA into the impressive Patriot's Place. My best friend and I sat in his luxury box (in the old stadium). He came RIGHT OVER to talk to me and was very nice. (Of course they were playing the Browns - Bill B as our coach, Tomzack as our QB - and I was wearing my brown V-neck sweater with the orange helmet on the left chest, cos I had no idea that I was to be in Mr. Kraft's luxury box) ....soon as he saw me his eyes lit up, he quit talking to who he was talking to and came over to me like he was shot from a cannon. I was like, Jezuz H Kryst....it's freakin' Bob Kraft! But as I said, he was very nice. I think it's sad what happened to him. And I feel bad for him. (unless, of course, he KNEW what we now know about the place - which I'd bet he did not) Nice people are Perverts too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, nickers said: Nice people are Perverts too! there's various degrees or perversion, I can think of several that are way worse, depending on your POV of course... I wouldn't go to a "Massage Parlor" but so the guy went to one... Happens every day elsewhere... But really Robert... fly to Vegas in your private jet, take a real discreet limo drive to the Chicken Ranch, no one is going to know about it, and it's not illegal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 8 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: In the bay area? Hmmmm. San Jose actually. Is that still considered "bay area"? Went to a power lifting meet out there years ago, hence the need for the massage. It actually was the best massage I ever had, girl walked up and down my back like a pro.....and then at the end just went right at it. I had no idea it was coming. I'd go once a month if that kind of walk up and down your back then happy time, place was around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Any punishment for anybody has to be measured against the offense committed. If this never rises above a misdemeanor just imagine what the punishment would be for a player, probably nothing. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 21 hours ago, Browns149 said: Too funny https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2019/2/22/18236327/patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-solicitation-prostitution-florida-police Local radio out of Tampa played some piece of trash radio/multi-media personality out of NE blaming 100% of all this on Roger Goodfella trying to end their football empire. As much as I can't stand Roger, sometimes these multi-millionaire brats in this county need to be held accountable. I would have loved to ask the Chowda Head with only 2 brain cells on speaking terms, what if it was HIS daughter being traffic'd? Then I would have followed with who had the pistol to Kraft's temple each of his visits? For a guy smart enough in business, he sure got conveniently ignorant in these decisions in a hurry. Then again, it sure sounds like a lot of very wealthy people have been frequenting that establishment without any worries or consequences for quite some time giving me the sense this was very calculated by Kraft. They should kick his asss right out of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Let's just say the Warren/Youngstown area was very interesting in the 90s... Or the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s until about Y2K? I certainly remember the 60s, 70s, 80s in and out of college.......wild times. Ok another question for you guys and gals how many of you have been in a strip club or better yet cathouse legal or "illegal". High school, college just for the fun of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 50 minutes ago, Flugel said: Local radio out of Tampa played some piece of trash radio/multi-media personality out of NE blaming 100% of all this on Roger Goodfella trying to end their football empire. As much as I can't stand Roger, sometimes these multi-millionaire brats in this county need to be held accountable. I would have loved to ask the Chowda Head with only 2 brain cells on speaking terms, what if it was HIS daughter being traffic'd? Then I would have followed with who had the pistol to Kraft's temple each of his visits? For a guy smart enough in business, he sure got conveniently ignorant in these decisions in a hurry. Then again, it sure sounds like a lot of very wealthy people have been frequenting that establishment without any worries or consequences for quite some time giving me the sense this was very calculated by Kraft. They should kick his asss right out of the NFL. Oh please. I certainly understand the jealousy of most of the league toward the Patriots and the middle-class against the rich but for God's sake this is a misdemeanor. Nobody is suggesting that he's on the ground floor of some huge human trafficking scheme. Besides that there's a good chance the misdemeanor itself will be dropped like Callaway's weed possession charge. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 53 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: Oh please. I certainly understand the jealousy of most of the league toward the Patriots and the middle-class against the rich but for God's sake this is a misdemeanor. Nobody is suggesting that he's on the ground floor of some huge human trafficking scheme. Besides that there's a good chance the misdemeanor itself will be dropped like Callaway's weed possession charge. WSS These women live in the spa and aren't allowed to leave. He's a smart guy, he knows what he is supporting. It's gross, and that goes whether it is Kraft, Jimmy Haslem, or my neighbor Bob. Find a partner that has not been forced into this life. Look out for other people. Or look away if you have to. But don't support this practice. He has brought shame to the NFL. He didn't get drunk and get into a bar fight, he supported a spa which was known for trafficking sex slaves. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Zombo said: These women live in the spa and aren't allowed to leave. He's a smart guy, he knows what he is supporting. It's gross, and that goes whether it is Kraft, Jimmy Haslem, or my neighbor Bob. Find a partner that has not been forced into this life. Look out for other people. Or look away if you have to. But don't support this practice. He has brought shame to the NFL. He didn't get drunk and get into a bar fight, he supported a spa which was known for trafficking sex slaves. Z Frankly I can't imagine any hooker in any city in any country of the world who doesn't have a pimp who is more than likely a scumbag and capable of whatever abuse you can imagine. A great deal of them I would guess I've got a drug problem and forced into this life because of that. Even in Las Vegas where it's actually legal. I personally think it's creepy to go to a hooker in the first place or to each ailments club for that matter. But men do both I would imagine at least hundreds of thousands of times every day. And WTF separates misdemeanor from felony? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: Frankly I can't imagine any hooker in any city in any country of the world who doesn't have a pimp who is more than likely a scumbag and capable of whatever abuse you can imagine. A great deal of them I would guess I've got a drug problem and forced into this life because of that. Even in Las Vegas where it's actually legal. I personally think it's creepy to go to a hooker in the first place or to each ailments club for that matter. But men do both I would imagine at least hundreds of thousands of times every day. And WTF separates misdemeanor from felony? WSS I'd think misdemeanor is financially supporting it, and felony is financially benefiting from it. I think the NFL draws their own lines, though. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 I can get around the idea of using those services and not knowing what is really going on. But when you have a business nearby and you attend the spa frequently? It is hard to believe he didn't know anything about what was really going on there. Even more if you think how these billionaires are businesss men and in business one of the main principles is that information about everybody and everything is useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 17 hours ago, choco said: No...it's a stupid idea. And illegal. So you seem to be right in how he sees people with wealth. TV money is a signed contract. Unless there's a behavior clause in there, ain't a damn way rog can touch that money. Opinion born of jealousy maybe? Seems harse to be punished more because your rich. Problem is they always walk....eichstein or whoever he is, for example and of course you completely swing and miss the entire point Which is good ole rog sez he holds owners to a higher standard but only shows that it is a good old boys club and rog will cover there ass's and as far as my financial well being from birth to up till now is really none of your fucking business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 a second billionaire j,w child also from mass. is charged hmmm wonder if him and kraft were friends 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 3 hours ago, ATOM said: and of course you completely swing and miss the entire point Which is good ole rog sez he holds owners to a higher standard but only shows that it is a good old boys club and rog will cover there ass's and as far as my financial well being from birth to up till now is really none of your fucking business No commrade...I didn't miss it. You're butthurt that owners can't be treated the same, and think the league, and any other corporation, should be able to garnish a contract between 2 other entities. Kraft can be disciplined under conduct policy, and likely will be. You're little witch hunt tho...😂 Of course rog will cover shit up...way to go out on a limb 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Even if u frequented such an establishment, how would u know what the plight of all of these girls are? Not all of these places have these kinds of illegals, most fireign women in the sex business came to.the country but over stayed their visa's by decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz41 Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Everyone seems quick to condemn off of some reports, which came out 24 hrs ago. Look how well that worked out for the people quick to make judgement and opinions on the Jussie Smollett case, not to mention many other instances. Face it, there are A LOT of people throughout the country that once this news came out that it didn't matter what happened afterwards, they were going to believe the worst, especially being that he is rich AND associated with the Patriots. And that happens with a lot of other instances too. Never been to one of those places, couldn't even tell you I know where one is in Virginia, but it is hard for me to believe that someone with that status and wealth would knowingly participate, much less be "involved." But there are people posting here like he is the very reason why these poor women are being trafficked. I'm sure IF that were the case that he would be charged with more than a misdemeanor. And saying well he has a business nearby so he must know what is going on, well he is a billionaire, I imagine he owns a lot of businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Do any of these kind of places still exist in NE ohio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: Do any of these kind of places still exist in NE ohio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Oh good lord that show 😂😂😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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