MLD Woody Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 12 hours ago, jbluhm86 said: Do we need better border security? Yes. Do we need to be wary of the overreaching of presidential power to do so? Also yes. One can hold these two thoughts in one's head simultaneously. Two thoughts simultaneously? Slow down Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: Two thoughts simultaneously? Slow down Einstein Don't worry he ignored the third one. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 hours ago, MLD Woody said: So it's not Trump's fault because I his own party didn't like him? So he gets a pass on not passing anything earlier, and it justifies the use of an "emergency"? Alright. Also... Trump repeatedly said Mexico will pay for the wall. Yes, it's not Trumps fault that his own party didn't like him for the reasons explain a zillion times. Why the wall is justified as an emergency should be clear also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MLD Woody Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, Gorka said: Why the wall is justified as an emergency should be clear also. Sure thing. Keep that in mind when a Dem says the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: Sure thing. Keep that in mind when a Dem says the same A Democrat is going to say that illegal immigration is an emergency? That would be a step in the right direction. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/24/2019 at 9:05 PM, Westside Steve said: or the overreach disguised as checks and balances bye a monolithic Congress dedicated to nothing but blocking everything at anything for no other reason than a visceral hatred of the president. Can we say also yes. Yes and no. If you dig into the details and nuisances of the writing of the Constitution, Congress was purposely designed by the Founding Fathers for gridlock. 2/3rds majority, 60 vote majority, etc, were put into place to prevent laws from being passed by simple majority, meaning that bills would need to have overwhelming consensus from the people in order to be passed. Perhaps a little outdated for today's fast paced environment? Possibly. But in one sense, the Congress challenging the President on this can also be viewed as them reasserting their Constitutional powers that earlier Congress' has abdicated. To your point, Congressmen on both sides of the isle have twisted and manipulated their own parliamentary rules in order to cram through their own legislation favorable to their factions and veto legislation solely to spite Trump. Republicans did the same to Obama during his term in office, and other Congess' did the same to Presidents in the past; it's a phenomenon that's been with us since the founding. The biggest check on this behavior is being able to be voted out of office by the people; it's one of the reasons why the House of Representatives has such a short two year term. On 2/25/2019 at 9:36 AM, Westside Steve said: Don't worry he ignored the third one. WSS I haven't even been on this site in two days; just logged in this morning, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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calfoxwc Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 54 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said: Yes and no. If you dig into the details and nuisances of the writing of the Constitution, Congress was purposely designed by the Founding Fathers for gridlock. that is socialist baloney. It was designed for checks and balances - for PRO AMERICAN DECISIONS to be CORRECTLY MADE. Your conclusion just proves what I said before - you can't follow critical thinking. Ask youself why they would design the Constitution to be worthless and get nothing done? that is stupid. When there is gridlock - it is corruption in the human condition that causes it, not the design of our Constitution. Go back to school, dude, just don't go where Woody went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 That time away really caused all of your ridiculousness to back up, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 nah, a few of you are still emotional knee jerking without having a clue, so it is what it is. Are you EVER going to seriously, intelligently talk about a subject? ANY subject? Actually READ an OP ? This is for you, woody. I take it you and a few others never saw a tree or grass til you went to high screwell. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/growing-up-near-green-spaces-is-linked-to-better-mental-health-hgrrhlgxv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 3 hours ago, calfoxwc said: that is socialist baloney. It was designed for checks and balances - for PRO AMERICAN DECISIONS to be CORRECTLY MADE. Your conclusion just proves what I said before - you can't follow critical thinking. Ask youself why they would design the Constitution to be worthless and get nothing done? that is stupid. When there is gridlock - it is corruption in the human condition that causes it, not the design of our Constitution. Go back to school, dude, just don't go where Woody went. Cal, I think it is more like it was designed to be hard to pass legislation without having the majority of everyone on board. I think the founding fathers were firmly aware of how excessive laws and regulation could end up replacing the same problems posed by having the crown rule over everything. Just my take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Cal, I think it is more like it was designed to be hard to pass legislation without having the majority of everyone on board. I think the founding fathers were firmly aware of how excessive laws and regulation could end up replacing the same problems posed by having the crown rule over everything. Just my take. well, that's almost kinda what I said, only you said if more eloquently. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 8 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Cal, I think it is more like it was designed to be hard to pass legislation without having the majority of everyone on board. I think the founding fathers were firmly aware of how excessive laws and regulation could end up replacing the same problems posed by having the crown rule over everything. Just my take. Perhaps using the term "gridlock" was too strong a word in my argument, but this is what I was trying to state earlier. The Founding Fathers designed all the checks and balances into the framework of the Congress in order to throw up roadblocks to slow and stymie them from hastily passing legislation with just simple majorities, ensuring that any legislation that is passed theoretically has the supermajority of the American electorate behind it. 7 hours ago, calfoxwc said: well, that's almost kinda what I said, only you said if more eloquently. lol If your Grandma had wheels, she'd have been a wagon too. What you said was not even close to the point that Logic and I were making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said: Perhaps using the term "gridlock" was too strong a word in my argument, but this is what I was trying to state earlier. The Founding Fathers designed all the checks and balances into the framework of the Congress in order to throw up roadblocks to slow and stymie them from hastily passing legislation with just simple majorities, ensuring that any legislation that is passed theoretically has the supermajority of the American electorate behind it. If your Grandma had wheels, she'd have been a wagon too. What you said was not even close to the point that Logic and I were making. you weren't making a valid point. It was inane. Logic made my point far better than I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 7 hours ago, calfoxwc said: you weren't making a valid point. It was inane. Logic made my point far better than I did. Cal, he kinda is making the same point you were but you might be preprogrammed to attack what Jblu says haha. I was seriously just reiterating the point he was trying to make. This is like a really crappy version of the Telephone game haha. Everyone ultimately had the same point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 "There are five red foxes in the hen house" "There are fine red foxes in the pen house" "LIBERAL FOXES ARE LITERAL HITLER!" Teacher, Cal isn't playing the game right again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 As an aside, I am not comfortable with Presidents of any stripe getting funny with exec orders or using national emergency functions to circumvent the checks and balances. At some point, a President who doesn’t share (insert political views) will use it to do stuff that you loath and everyone will regret giving the past President a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 31 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: As an aside, I am not comfortable with Presidents of any stripe getting funny with exec orders or using national emergency functions to circumvent the checks and balances. At some point, a President who doesn’t share (insert political views) will use it to do stuff that you loath and everyone will regret giving the past President a pass. First of all they will do it anyway. Second of all between 11 and 15 million illegals here already Hyde said qualifies as a crisis . This isn't the checks and balances issue this is a democrat congress who despises Trump. If both houses were as in lockstep with the president in the first 2 years things would have been much better. I would hope. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 3 hours ago, MLD Woody said: "There are five red foxes in the hen house" "There are fine red foxes in the pen house" "LIBERAL FOXES ARE LITERAL HITLER!" Teacher, Cal isn't playing the game right again FINK SISSY RAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 43 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: FINK SISSY RAT Pecker Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 4 hours ago, MLD Woody said: "There are five red foxes in the hen house" "There are fine red foxes in the pen house" "LIBERAL FOXES ARE LITERAL HITLER!" Teacher, Cal isn't playing the game right again "Liberal foxes" is an oxymoron though. I mean "fox" never crosses your mind when you're talking about a liberal woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Gorka said: "Liberal fox" is an oxymoron though. I mean "fox" is something you never think of when you're talking about a liberal woman. To the liberal woman, you may certainly rest assured I will not do so. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: To the liberal woman, you may certainly rest assured I will not do so. WSS You wouldn't have time, just finding it would take a few minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, Gorka said: You wouldn't have time, just finding it would take a few minutes. Thanks for that mental picture oh, not like it was bad enough before... 🤭 WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Westside Steve said: First of all they will do it anyway. Second of all between 11 and 15 million illegals here already Hyde said qualifies as a crisis . This isn't the checks and balances issue this is a democrat congress who despises Trump. If both houses were as in lockstep with the president in the first 2 years things would have been much better. I would hope. WSS That should have been when he tried to get the wall built. The timing is suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Westside Steve said: 1 hour ago, Westside Steve said: To the liberal woman, you may certainly rest assured I will not do so. WSS If there is an image hid in here of "an ugly liberal woman" (god knows what that could net), I am glad my work blocked it from my eyes haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 3 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: That should have been when he tried to get the wall built. The timing is suspect. I still don’t think Trump would’ve gotten 60 votes out of the Senate...the Dems hate him that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 If we want to have the ole lib vs cons woman argume t where you all find lije a couple models paid to wear a maga shirt and compare them to some unshaven dat hippie........i can dig up all the old vegan pornstars (liberals) you all grew up beating off to. Jus sayin. Ill see ur ann coulter.. And raise u.... Hmmm, lets see... Meh, this ones too easy....😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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