CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 10 hours ago, SD_Tom said: The entire team was so bad, kinda tough to grade Rosen. Hey, all that matters is that the Browns finally got the qb right. Cannot wait till September. Yea they were terrible, and UCLA wasn’t the best, which is basically why my only impression of Rosen is that the ball looks really good coming out of his hands 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 4 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: And I agree with those who think it is way too early to pronounce Rosen as a blown pick. Get him an OL and rebuild his D! I don't disagree, but if the Cards do draft Murray, it looks like they feel that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 3 hours ago, ballpeen said: I don't disagree, but if the Cards do draft Murray, it looks like they feel that way. I think it was in nfl.com 'peen- but if they do that, it's an unbelievable sunk cost. You're trading a 2018 first, third, and fifth for a 2019 third, or (best case scenario) a second? I agree Rosen's rookie stats aren't great- if you compare them to Baker's, but as Ag said- that whole Cardinals team was pretty stinko. Assuming they would do the sane thing and take Bosa or Williams, they just might still be bad enough this year to take a top QB in 2020, or Rosen may improve enough to make drafting a different QB unnecessary. (See Browns- Garrett, Mayfield). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 On 3/5/2019 at 5:31 PM, hoorta said: I think it was in nfl.com 'peen- but if they do that, it's an unbelievable sunk cost. You're trading a 2018 first, third, and fifth for a 2019 third, or (best case scenario) a second? I agree Rosen's rookie stats aren't great- if you compare them to Baker's, but as Ag said- that whole Cardinals team was pretty stinko. Assuming they would do the sane thing and take Bosa or Williams, they just might still be bad enough this year to take a top QB in 2020, or Rosen may improve enough to make drafting a different QB unnecessary. (See Browns- Garrett, Mayfield). I understand your line of thinking, but the new coach doesn't care. The current QB isn't the type of QB he needs to implement his system. So there is that to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 48 minutes ago, ballpeen said: I understand your line of thinking, but the new coach doesn't care. The current QB isn't the type of QB he needs to implement his system. So there is that to consider. The problem is that Murray is still a run first QB who can't read an NFL defense. That is the double dose of disaster about to happen to the Cards. The interviews at the combine are telling the real scouts all they need to know to say "pass". Murray will prove to be a fool for not sticking with baseball IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 52 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: The problem is that Murray is still a run first QB who can't read an NFL defense. That is the double dose of disaster about to happen to the Cards. The interviews at the combine are telling the real scouts all they need to know to say "pass". Murray will prove to be a fool for not sticking with baseball IMO. RGKnee 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 I don't see Murray as a 'run first' QB. He does a good job standing in the pocket initially. However I question his field vision and understanding of what is in front of him. That severely handicaps his passing ability from said pocket. There are times he looks like he is just "scanning" For an open receiver when his primary isn't an option. Baker did this last year although to a much, much lesser extent. And instead of running to run, he scrambled to throw. Needless to say, I don't think highly of Murray as a 1st round pick. Russell Wilson was a 3rd rounder and that is the comparison hill many seem to be dying on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: The problem is that Murray is still a run first QB who can't read an NFL defense. That is the double dose of disaster about to happen to the Cards. The interviews at the combine are telling the real scouts all they need to know to say "pass". Murray will prove to be a fool for not sticking with baseball IMO. Trivia question: Which NFL franchise has lost more games than any other in history.....and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 49 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Trivia question: Which NFL franchise has lost more games than any other in history.....and why? Can I guess Cardinals, because they've been around for a while? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 4 hours ago, ballpeen said: I understand your line of thinking, but the new coach doesn't care. The current QB isn't the type of QB he needs to implement his system. So there is that to consider. And great coaches adapt their systems to the talent on hand. Shades of the Huebatross telling noodle arm Kessler to throw it deep. KKs coaching ability is somewhat suspect based on what he did in the college ranks. 3 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: The problem is that Murray is still a run first QB who can't read an NFL defense. That is the double dose of disaster about to happen to the Cards. The interviews at the combine are telling the real scouts all they need to know to say "pass". Murray will prove to be a fool for not sticking with baseball IMO. If the reports coming out of the Combine are true, the Cards will be making a humongous mistake drafting Murray @ #1 overall. Interviewed poorly, and didn't do well on the white board- supposedly. OTOH, Baker blew Marriucci away with how good he was discussing plays. We do know opposing GMs will intentionally bad mouth a player in the hope said player will fall far enough for them to draft him. I will be mighty curious when the Wunderlich scores start leaking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted March 8, 2019 Report Share Posted March 8, 2019 I am not going to disagree. I am just telling you how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 8, 2019 Report Share Posted March 8, 2019 2019 Browns Mock Draft 1.0 (a bit long but fun to watch) from Cleveland Browns Radio Network picking #1 -- #17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 8, 2019 Report Share Posted March 8, 2019 BTW I agree with those on the Mock Draft who see the Murray pick by the Cards as nothing more than a smoke screen to entice a QB needy team to trade up with them for #1 overall. And the reasoning is sound. Rosen was beaten up last year because they had one of the worst OLs in the NFL. Get him some help. Plus they need to get back some of those draft pick positions they traded off last year to get Rosen in the first place. Taking Murray makes about as much sense as hiring KK as your HC. Uh Oh!😱 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS Posted March 8, 2019 Report Share Posted March 8, 2019 On 3/7/2019 at 9:04 AM, tiamat63 said: Needless to say, I don't think highly of Murray as a 1st round pick. Russell Wilson was a 3rd rounder and that is the comparison hill many seem to be dying on. Russell Wilson is the reason why Baker and Murray will likely both be #1 picks.. imo Quick feet are one of the most important traits for a QB now, unless you have big arm and an elite level IQ(Brady, Brees, Manning) For the record I believe Haskins might be on that elite level, it might just take some time for him depending on what situation he lands in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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