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I will start with Bucky Brooks

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001013277/article/bucky-brooks-2019-nfl-mock-draft-10-pats-among-4-to-pick-qb

 

No way do we take an OT with 3 good DT's still on the board in Lawrence, Wilkins and Simmons

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well, I agree - if you go by what daniel jerimiah🙄 says in his top 50, Bucky's pick, OT, is short on length to where he

projects OT Jonah Williams at OG. I would think it's better to get one of the elite DT's in the first round,. and pick

Tyrus Howard, OT in the second round and not miss anything. Now, if Andre Dillard falls to the Browns...

who knows. Dorsey will !

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001012558/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2019-nfl-draft-10?icampaign=trendingNews

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I've seen two that have us taking WR D.K. Metcalf

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OL.  Perfect.  The Ghoul will love it.

I'd like to see what the Browns Big Board would look like right now.  Pre combine, pre pro days.  Just based on what can be seen in the games (including senior bowl practices).

 

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I would be extremely surprised to see the Browns take a WR in the 1st round. It'll be a very interesting draft for sure as we do NOT need to hope a good QB is there for us.

We'll just see what JD will do. 

Mike

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3 hours ago, Orion said:

OL.  Perfect.  The Ghoul will love it.

I'd like to see what the Browns Big Board would look like right now.  Pre combine, pre pro days.  Just based on what can be seen in the games (including senior bowl practices).

 

as of now, am seeing a semi-weak class of linebackers unless 1 0f Josh Allen or Devin White fall to us or by creating a small trade up to grab last 1 of the top 2. I've not watched enough of Polite nor Devin Bush tape yet, but my guess would be, BPA of DT or DE/LB if were sitting at 17. A battle of grabbing a promising OT (RorL) or a Feature WR may become a toss up in round 2..They pay some guys the big bucks to get some FA's to answer some of this before the draft.;) same old Dorsey made a comment the other day, "why would any team show their real cards"..the 10 guys we interviewed at both bowl games..He's living up to his words  

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3 hours ago, Orion said:

OL.  Perfect.  The Ghoul will love it.

Actually it makes more than a little sense...

There is a lot of DT depth, which means quality DTs will get pushed past Day 1. Not the case for OL... if we are not willing to ride with Greg Robinson, then we may well tab a LT in R1.

Saw a mock today where where we took our DT in R4 and it was.... Ag will love this... Daylon Mack, Aggie frosh phenom who never quite realized his promise succeeding years in College Station.

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5 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

Kyler Murray in the 1st LOLOLOLOL.    That's good stuff.

I've wanted Kyler Murray as our 1st round pick for a few months now if they're certain he chooses football.  Having Mayfield and Murray competing with each other could produce amazing results while providing depth at the most important position.  They'll be able to trade/flip one of them in a couple seasons after they find their guy.

Cheesy, but I was looking for a pic of the two together for a min and this is all I got

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Has a sustained QB competition ever worked?

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4 hours ago, JimboJones said:

 

I've wanted Kyler Murray as our 1st round pick for a few months now if they're certain he chooses football.  Having Mayfield and Murray competing with each other could produce amazing results while providing depth at the most important position.  They'll be able to trade/flip one of them in a couple seasons after they find their guy.

Cheesy, but I was looking for a pic of the two together for a min and this is all I got

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Sadly that still isn't the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums. 

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5 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

Sadly that still isn't the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums. 

How is trying to shore up the most important position with the best talent "dumb"?  lets hear your really really smart argument.

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50 minutes ago, JimboJones said:

How is trying to shore up the most important position with the best talent "dumb"?  lets hear your really really smart argument.

First and foremost - QB,  unlike any other position on the field,  isn't one you 'shore up' with that kind of redundancy.    Especially by taking another QB first round and said QB has an incredibly questionable NFL skill set.    

Now,  can you take a mid to late round QB who you see as someone that can be groomed into a good backup QB?  Maybe.   But you don't help your young QB's development by drafting the position again simply for the sake of "competition".   Baker is a fiery and competitve guy as is. So you aren't pushing him more than he pushes himself already. Also, if the guy you drafted can't win the position your return on investment sure as shit won't be a 1st rounder.  Best to draft elsewhere and improve the supporting cast. 

There is nobody worth their football salt, possessing any decent insight into the game that will agree with you here.   This board or other wise.  

 

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myself, I really was not that impressed with the Senior Bowl QB's. I was really impressed with Brett Rypien (3/4 rd.) at the Shrine bowl that could work well with Baker imo..Buffalos Tyree Jackson (5/6 rd)..Am not sure with the 1's if he's a tall touchless Cardale Jones? or a wild Paxton Lynch? I really see Rypien's stock rising at combine. A real natural look coming out from under center..As for Mocks, they get messy when teams reach for top QB's..Oh! it will happen :D, but not us this time..

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1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

First and foremost - QB,  unlike any other position on the field,  isn't one you 'shore up' with that kind of redundancy.    Especially by taking another QB first round and said QB has an incredibly questionable NFL skill set.    

Now,  can you take a mid to late round QB who you see as someone that can be groomed into a good backup QB?  Maybe.   But you don't help your young QB's development by drafting the position again simply for the sake of "competition".   Baker is a fiery and competitve guy as is. So you aren't pushing him more than he pushes himself already. Also, if the guy you drafted can't win the position your return on investment sure as shit won't be a 1st rounder.  Best to draft elsewhere and improve the supporting cast. 

There is nobody worth their football salt, possessing any decent insight into the game that will agree with you here.   This board or other wise.  

 

It's not just for competition and depth, it''s making it a much higher probability that they've finally got an elite franchise QB they've never had.   

His skill set is comparable to Patrick Mahomes minus the height, but faster. If Patrick Mahomes was entering the draft this April, would you consider him at pick #17 if he was available based of his college production?  Just wanna know if it's truly that you don't want another QB, or if it's just the player you don't like in Murray.

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1 hour ago, JimboJones said:

It's not just for competition and depth, it''s making it a much higher probability that they've finally got an elite franchise QB they've never had.   

His skill set is comparable to Patrick Mahomes minus the height, but faster. If Patrick Mahomes was entering the draft this April, would you consider him at pick #17 if he was available based of his college production?  Just wanna know if it's truly that you don't want another QB, or if it's just the player you don't like in Murray.

He is literally nothing like Mahomes.  Murray runs to run,  Patrick runs to throw.  On top of the fact Mahomes has the stature to survey the field in a way Kyler can only dream and the accuracy + arm to put the ball wherever he likes. 

His speed accounts for little because he isn't fast enough to outrun most defenses and when he doesn't he takes some considerable punishment - which is where his size comes into play. 

To answer your last question - it's both.   Drafting Murray is,  in word,  dumb.  I also don't see an NFL skill set in Murray and should he go in the 1st round I pray it's to an AFC team.   Weaker competition means better playoff path for the Browns.    The kid struggled with some pretty vanilla looks Bama gave him in the early going.   Think it won't be twice as bad in the NFL? 

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1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

He is literally nothing like Mahomes.  Murray runs to run,  Patrick runs to throw.  On top of the fact Mahomes has the stature to survey the field in a way Kyler can only dream and the accuracy + arm to put the ball wherever he likes. 

His speed accounts for little because he isn't fast enough to outrun most defenses and when he doesn't he takes some considerable punishment - which is where his size comes into play. 

To answer your last question - it's both.   Drafting Murray is,  in word,  dumb.  I also don't see an NFL skill set in Murray and should he go in the 1st round I pray it's to an AFC team.   Weaker competition means better playoff path for the Browns.    The kid struggled with some pretty vanilla looks Bama gave him in the early going.   Think it won't be twice as bad in the NFL? 

You throw around the word dumb a lot, but you clearly haven't watched the guy or you yourself are.....dumb?

Maholmes and Murray have the same ability to be running at full speed out of pressure and throwing a dart downfield on a dime for a  game changing completion. His arm strength, accuracy, elusiveness, creativity.all compare to Maholmes. He's like a Mahomes, Lamar Jackson hybrid.

The only HUGE concerns are his size (1 inch shorter than Russell Wilson) and whether or not he'll choose baseball.  

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On ‎1‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 6:48 PM, darren15 said:

I will start with Bucky Brooks

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001013277/article/bucky-brooks-2019-nfl-mock-draft-10-pats-among-4-to-pick-qb

 

No way do we take an OT with 3 good DT's still on the board in Lawrence, Wilkins and Simmons

Dorsey likes to take his OT's high, wouldn't surprise me, Corbett wasn't going as high as we took him in many mocks last year

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Oh,  Goody...  The highlight game. 

Maybe someone can explain to me the struggles with Murray taking a straight drop with no action and failing to see what's in front of him or simply finding his outlet receiver - as shown by play #2 and a solid amount of plays after. 

... Don't answer that,  because it's rhetorical.  

Questions about his height lead into things like vision,  then you talk about pocket movement,  which Murray isn't great at without dropping his eyes.   Then that rolls into a talk of missing windows because being 5'8 doesnt help - therefore the timing and anticipation of throws vs certain coverages comes into play.  

 

If we want to call any QB that has ever made a nice throw on the run Patrick Mahomes then you're going to run into a list that is far more sizeable and far less flattering than you'll want to yield.   

QB's start up top between the ears,  not their legs.  We had this argument last year with Lamar Jackson - an argument that @Louisville Slugger won in terms of 'the battle'...  But as San Diego showed us,  the war looks like its be going to be a dub for my assessment.  

 

Bottom line,  anything is possible.  It's *possible*  I could bang Jessica Alba.  But I don't work on what is possible and most football minds don't.   I work on what is probable,  what I have evidence of.  

Evidence shows that Murray will be a long line of "exciting" Running QB's (plus Heisman winners)  who might make a wow play here or there,  but the consistency,  accuracy and ruthless efficiency that makes a good to great NFL QB really isn't there.  

But I'll make sure to bookmark this for next year. 

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5 hours ago, JimboJones said:

How is trying to shore up the most important position with the best talent "dumb"?  lets hear your really really smart argument.

Its dumb because we have other holes that need to be filled in round 1 of the draft as opposed to drafting someone to be the backup to the QB that we currently have.    QB, RB, TE, K, or P are the only positions that Im absolutely not drafting anyone for in round 1.   Every other position we could use the help that a first round talent would bring and would/should immediately make the team better. 

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1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

Oh,  Goody...  The highlight game. 

Maybe someone can explain to me the struggles with Murray taking a straight drop with no action and failing to see what's in front of him or simply finding his outlet receiver - as shown by play #2 and a solid amount of plays after. 

... Don't answer that,  because it's rhetorical.  

Questions about his height lead into things like vision,  then you talk about pocket movement,  which Murray isn't great at without dropping his eyes.   Then that rolls into a talk of missing windows because being 5'8 doesnt help - therefore the timing and anticipation of throws vs certain coverages comes into play.  

 

If we want to call any QB that has ever made a nice throw on the run Patrick Mahomes then you're going to run into a list that is far more sizeable and far less flattering than you'll want to yield.   

QB's start up top between the ears,  not their legs.  We had this argument last year with Lamar Jackson - an argument that @Louisville Slugger won in terms of 'the battle'...  But as San Diego showed us,  the war looks like its be going to be a dub for my assessment.  

 

Bottom line,  anything is possible.  It's *possible*  I could bang Jessica Alba.  But I don't work on what is possible and most football minds don't.   I work on what is probable,  what I have evidence of.  

Evidence shows that Murray will be a long line of "exciting" Running QB's (plus Heisman winners)  who might make a wow play here or there,  but the consistency,  accuracy and ruthless efficiency that makes a good to great NFL QB really isn't there.  

But I'll make sure to bookmark this for next year. 

You keep missing the fact that I've continually said that Jackson is a scheme specific gimmick QB. He is going to get better now that Roman has full control of the offense. When I was talking about Lamar, the browns were a lost cause that I didnt think a rookie QB could fix. Can he grow into a McNair type? Probably not but you're going to get 8 years of quality football if you keep the scheme. 

So for the record my top choices were

1. Baker Mayfeild

2. Lamar Jackson in Greg Roman's offense

You had Rosen on top of your board so...

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Mayfeild???

I'd be careful about basing an argument on Rosen's part-time starter year in AZ.

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3 minutes ago, Louisville Slugger said:

You keep missing the fact that I've continually said that Jackson is a scheme specific gimmick QB. 

 

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11 hours ago, JimboJones said:

 

I've wanted Kyler Murray as our 1st round pick for a few months now if they're certain he chooses football.  Having Mayfield and Murray competing with each other could produce amazing results while providing depth at the most important position.  They'll be able to trade/flip one of them in a couple seasons after they find their guy.

Cheesy, but I was looking for a pic of the two together for a min and this is all I got

Dt8KoP-VAAAs5YQ.jpg:largew620-cd21252a6c84dd5c1b0359a74d1c6c01.jp

 

We are finally in the position to take the BPA and add a damn nice piece at #17.   We need help on D stopping the run.    Taking Kyler Murray could possibly be the stupidest thing Dorsey could do.   Baker Mayfield is our franchise  QB.  He doesn't need competition, he needs a supporting cast.  You take a QB round 5 or 6 and develop him into a backup.  Or bring back that kid we cut at the end of preseason last year.  

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9 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Has a sustained QB competition ever worked?

Sort of.    MOrton and Staubach had it for a few years.   Both took the Cowboys to the SB.   Montana and Steve Young for a bit....also both went to SB. I think Darryl Lamonica and Ken Stabler had one for a bit....both being successful.  There could be a couple of others.

I don't know if you call these sustained...but they existed for a while....and the results were good for the team under both QBs.   But eventually one guy will always prevail.

Can't recall any particular team that had a true dual QB system that went for the long run. 

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1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

Sort of.    MOrton and Staubach had it for a few years.   Both took the Cowboys to the SB.   Montana and Steve Young for a bit....also both went to SB. I think Darryl Lamonica and Ken Stabler had one for a bit....both being successful.  There could be a couple of others.

I don't know if you call these sustained...but they existed for a while....and the results were good for the team under both QBs.   But eventually one guy will always prevail.

Can't recall any particular team that had a true dual QB system that went for the long run. 

And none of those in the salary cap era.    

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6 hours ago, gumby73 said:

myself, I really was not that impressed with the Senior Bowl QB's. I was really impressed with Brett Rypien (3/4 rd.) at the Shrine bowl that could work well with Baker imo..Buffalos Tyree Jackson (5/6 rd)..Am not sure with the 1's if he's a tall touchless Cardale Jones? or a wild Paxton Lynch? I really see Rypien's stock rising at combine. A real natural look coming out from under center..As for Mocks, they get messy when teams reach for top QB's..Oh! it will happen :D, but not us this time..

It doesn't hurt that Rypien has DNA on his side....his Dad being a Super Bowl winning QB. 

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3 minutes ago, Mark O said:

And none of those in the salary cap era.    

If both players were young and on their initial rookie contracts....it would be fine financially.  Not that I am advocating that a dual QB system is something the Browns could do.   Just saying that in the right circumstance, theoretically it is plausible.  And the question poised did ask "ever".

So, I guess I could have gone back to the Canton Bulldogs.

Or...better yet...this one seemed to be somewhat sustained:    Norm Van Brocklin and Bob Waterfield.   LA Rams. 

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1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

Mayfeild???

I'd be careful about basing an argument on Rosen's part-time starter year in AZ.

I had Mayfeild as the guy for the last month or so before the draft. 

I don't see Rosen ever being better than an average QB.

If we take a QB at 17 I will literally never watch the nfl again

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