The Gipper Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Pro Bowls All-Pro Times as HOF finalist Steve Atwater S Broncos, Jets 8 2 3 Champ Bailey CB Washington, Broncos 12 3 1 Tony Boselli OT Jaguars, Texans 5 3 3 Isaac Bruce WR Rams, 49ers 4 0 3 Alan Faneca G Steelers, Jets, Cardinals 9 6 4 Tony Gonzalez TE Chiefs, Falcons 14 6 1 Steve Hutchinson G Seahawks, Vikings, Titans 7 5 2 Edgerrin James RB Colts, Cardinals, Seahawks 4 1 3 Ty Law CB Patriots, Jets, Chiefs, Broncos 5 2 3 John Lynch S Buccaneers, Broncos 9 2 6 Kevin Mawae C Seahawks, Jets, Titans 8 3 3 Ed Reed S Ravens, Texans, Jets 9 5 1 Richard Seymour DE Patriots, Raiders 7 3 1 Don Coryell Coach Cardinals, Chargers Tom Flores Coach Raiders, Seahawks Pat Bowlen* Owner Broncos Gil Brandt* GM Cowboys Johnny Robinson^ S D.Texans, Chiefs *Contributor Committee finalist ^Senior Committee finalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 No Clay Matthews again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Question: why would Coryell be considered? his teams never made a Super Bowl. A couple of dozen other HCs had similar success that are not in...including Marty. Marty had a better overall win %...and won a lot more total games. (200 vs. 111) Coryell was only 3-6 in playoff games. Flores at least won 2 Super Bowl games (and being Hispanic helps his bid) Blanton Collier had more career wins than Coryell...in several fewer years with a much better W/L pct....and won a title. Mike Holmgren as well....more wins, better win pct.....and took 2 teams to SBs. I know Coryell had some innovative offensive schemes...and played a wide open style...but I guess you still have to accomplish something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Ed Reed and Tony Gonzales are locks. Everyone else is nowhere near those 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, Browns149 said: Ed Reed and Tony Gonzales are locks. Everyone else is nowhere near those 2 Champ Bailey close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Alan Faneca = 9 probowls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 No quarterbacks up this year which opens it up for others. And only one running back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 7 hours ago, The Gipper said: No Clay Matthews again. then they got it wrong !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 9 hours ago, The Gipper said: No Clay Matthews again. Because not enough All-Pro deals. I've said a bunch of times, if Clay had played for the Steelers, he'd have been in long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 hours ago, The Gipper said: No quarterbacks up this year which opens it up for others. And only one running back. Yes others like Boselli, Atwater or anyone on the list might slide in in a non-superstar class. Perfect year for Clay Matthews if he were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Law and Hutchinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domcucch1994 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Champ Bailey deserves it too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 16 hours ago, Browns149 said: Ed Reed and Tony Gonzales are locks. Coryell as well IMO... Hutchinson should be in already. The man was the gold standard at OG. This is his time. Seymore is deserving as well. Might squeak in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Well....if we were just going based on a combination of All Pro and Pro Bowl selections then the pecking order would be as follows: Gonzales....20 Baily.....15 Faneca....15 Reed...14 Hutchinson...12 Lynch....11 Mawae....11 Atwater....10 Seymour...10 Boselli...8 Law....7 James...5 Bruce.....4. And I would not be surprised or upset if the ones actually elected are the ones at the top of this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 43 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Coryell as well IMO... again.. as I said before.....justify this over and above others whose career had overall better numbers Hutchinson should be in already. The man was the gold standard at OG. This is his time. Could, perhaps should be. Seymore is deserving as well. Might squeak in... And I do believe "squeak in" is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Next year Lynch and Atwater! Both played great @ S for Denver in their respective times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Next year Lynch and Atwater! Both played great @ S for Denver in their respective times. Then why no consideration for Dixon or Minnifield.....who played just as well really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Then why no consideration for Dixon or Minnifield.....who played just as well really. Got any stats on 'em? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 40 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Got any stats on 'em? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DixoHa00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MinnFr00.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikingDawg Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 18 hours ago, Orion said: Alan Faneca = 9 probowls Alan Faneca should be disqualified for the fact he was part of the Steelers roster that was there when the Rooneys personal drug pimp Richard Rydze was having $250,000/month worth of HGH and Steroids sent from BALCO Labs to the Steelers team facility. No one from those years are deserving of the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, VikingDawg said: Alan Faneca should be disqualified for the fact he was part of the Steelers roster that was there when the Rooneys personal drug pimp Richard Rydze was having $250,000/month worth of HGH and Steroids sent from BALCO Labs to the Steelers team facility. No one from those years are deserving of the HOF. He has been a finalist 4 times already without getting in. So...maybe that HAS been a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikingDawg Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 He should even BE a finalist. Beside it obviously isn't a factor as other juicemonkeys like Hines Ward got in despite being roided to the gills and a dirtbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, VikingDawg said: He should even BE a finalist. Beside it obviously isn't a factor as other juicemonkeys like Hines Ward got in despite being roided to the gills and a dirtbag. Hines Ward is NOT in the HOF. I believe he may have been a semi-finalist....but he is definitely not in. Maybe exactly because he was considered such a dirtbag (dirty player) The only Steelers who have made the HOF who played for them since the mid 90s are Dermonti Dawson and Jerome Bettis. Others may make it: Pollymolly...and eventually BR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DixoHa00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MinnFr00.htm Dixon 3 X Pro-bowl 2 X All-Pro Minnifield 4 X Pro-Bowl 1 All-Pro Lynch 9 X Pro-bowl 2 X All-Pro Atwater 8 X Pro-Bowl 2 X All-Pro The difference seems to be in how many Pro-Bowls they were invited to. All-Pro pretty much the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Dixon 3 X Pro-bowl 2 X All-Pro Minnifield 4 X Pro-Bowl 1 All-Pro Lynch 9 X Pro-bowl 2 X All-Pro Atwater 8 X Pro-Bowl 2 X All-Pro The difference seems to be in how many Pro-Bowls they were invited to. All-Pro pretty much the same. & as I mentioned, that's what's keeping Mathews out, only 4 Pro Bowls & second team all pro once. But taking into account he played for 19 seasons, that should count for something in the minds of the voters.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, hoorta said: & as I mentioned, that's what's keeping Mathews out, only 4 Pro Bowls & second team all pro once. But taking into account he played for 19 seasons, that should count for something in the minds of the voters.... If Baker and Myles keep playing as well or better than they are now without major injuries, I can see HOF for both some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 8 hours ago, hoorta said: & as I mentioned, that's what's keeping Mathews out, only 4 Pro Bowls & second team all pro once. But taking into account he played for 19 seasons, that should count for something in the minds of the voters.... What's holding Matthews back is the fact that so many people think he's a "compiler". Basically, if he was a baseball player, they consider him to be a sub-.300 batting average guy who got 3000 hits because he played forever, not because he was putting up monster years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 12 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: What's holding Matthews back is the fact that so many people think he's a "compiler". Basically, if he was a baseball player, they consider him to be a sub-.300 batting average guy who got 3000 hits because he played forever, not because he was putting up monster years. But most of those guys never do much in postseason play. Clay DID play in at least 3 AFC title games plus a number of other postseason games. If you got rid of the "compilers"....then you would have to kick out half the players in the HOF. Like say, at QB: Warren Moon, Dan Fouts, Sonny Jurgenson; and any number of these LBs: Chuck Bednarik (C-LB) 1949-1962 Bobby Bell (also DE) 1963-1974 Robert Brazile Derrick Brooks 1995-2008 Nick Buoniconti 1962-1974, 1976 Dick Butkus 1965-1973 Harry Carson 1976-1988 George Connor (also DT, OT) 1948-1955 Chris Doleman (DE, LB) 1985-1999 Bill George 1952-1966 Kevin Greene (also DE) 1985-1999 Jack Ham 1971-1982 Chris Hanburger 1965-1978 Ted Hendricks 1969-1983 Sam Huff 1956-1967, 1969 Rickey Jackson LB (also DE) 1981-1995 Jack Lambert 1974-1984 Willie Lanier 1967-1977 Ray Lewis Ray Nitschke 1958-1972 Les Richter 1954-1962 Dave Robinson 1963-1974 Joe Schmidt 1953-1965 Junior Seau 1990-2009 Mike Singletary 1981-1992 Lawrence Taylor 1981-1993 Derrick Thomas 1989-1999 Andre Tippett 1982-1993 Brian Urlacher Dave Wilcox 1964-1974 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 You compiled a list of players who all played at minimum five less seasons than Matthews, Gip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 16 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: You compiled a list of players who all played at minimum five less seasons than Matthews, Gip. You mean my previous post? All I did was cut and paste the names of the Linebackers that are in the HOF. Do with that list what you will. Are you trying to say that Clay Matthews is the Niekro of football? Won 300 games and lost almost as many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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