Dutch Oven Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 hours ago, nickers said: Vince Lombardi basically ran 5 plays.. up the middle.. Power right.. Power Left.. and a couple of short passes.. I'll take PB... Paul Brown went 3-4 in NFL Title Games. (4-0 AAFC Title Games) Vince Lombardi went 5-1. Lost the first Title Game 17-13 with a young Packers team, then won NFL titles in 5 of the next 7 years. Paul Brown is a homer pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: Paul Brown went 3-4 in NFL Title Games. (4-0 AAFC Title Games) Vince Lombardi went 5-1. Lost the first Title Game 17-13 with a young Packers team, then won NFL titles in 5 of the next 7 years. Paul Brown is a homer pick. ..Lombardi only won 2 titles.. NOT 5!!! Paul Brown has 7!! Dems da facts! 2 Vince Lombardi won the Super Bowl 2 times, in 1967 and 1968. Game Year Team Super Bowl II 1968 Green Bay Packers Super Bowl I 1967 Green Bay Packers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, nickers said: ..Lombardi only won 2 titles.. NOT 5!!! Paul Brown has 7!! Dems da facts! 2 Vince Lombardi won the Super Bowl 2 times, in 1967 and 1968. Game Year Team Super Bowl II 1968 Green Bay Packers Super Bowl I 1967 Green Bay Packers Seriously? If only so called Super Bowls counted then you would pick Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 20 hours ago, The Gipper said: Well...I perceived that it was you who thought that the NFL didn't exist until 1970. Go ahead and keep twisting my words Gip. You didn't answer my question at the outset my question at the outset was how many coaches have won a Superbowl and then lead a different team to another win. I left off when but when I said another I was referring to another win not another Super Bowl. So Mike Holmgren is still not correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 What was the question again? In English please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 57 minutes ago, bjh2130 said: Go ahead and keep twisting my words Gip. You didn't answer my question at the outset my question at the outset was how many coaches have won a Superbowl and then lead a different team to another win. I left off when but when I said another I was referring to another win not another Super Bowl. So Mike Holmgren is still not correct. A. I didn't twist your words, I simply repeated them. You said essentially that the NFL did not start until 1970, and that the entity all the time prior to that was the AFL. Your words. If you wish to say.."look, my mind was muddled and I got confused and got that wrong" then that is OK. Just admit that is what happened. B. Now, you are changing the question you asked. You asked "what coach that won a Superbowl then took another team to a Super Bowl. And the answer given were Holmgren and Parcells". Now you want to change the question? And as I have said like 10 times now....the only coach to win a title with one team and then win with another has been Weeb Ewbanks. No matter what you want to call a championship.....AFL Championship, NFL Championship, NFL-AFL Championship, Super Bowl, it don't matter....the answers still remain the same no matter how many different ways you ask it. So, let me, again....give you the facts: A. Has any HC won Championships with 2 teams? Answer: yes: Weeb Ewbank B. Has any HC won those Championship designated with the marketing name "Super Bowl" with 2 different teams? Answer: No. C. Has any HC won a Super Bowl title with one team, then lost it with another? Yes, both Holmgren and Parcells have done that. D. Has any HC lost a Super Bowl with one team then gone on to win a Super Bowl with another: Answer: Yes. Dick Vermeil E. Has any coach lost Super Bowls with more than one team without having ever won a Super Bowl? Answer: Yes; Dan Reeves lost with both the Broncos and the Falcons. John Fox lost with both the Panthers and the Broncos. F. Have coaches with the same last name ever won a Super Bowl and lost a Super Bowl. Yes....guys with the name Harbaugh. Brother John beat brother Jim. Now that I have answered just about all the questions you could think to ask on this subject....and have given you the history of the NFL with its various mergers with other leagues and the championship game history....perhaps you can move on to something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, flyingfooldoug said: What was the question again? In English please. Something about swallows, African or European, and their capacity for flight carrying a coconut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Something about swallows, African or European, and their capacity for flight carrying a coconut. A southern Pacific coconut or a south Atlantic coconut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 58 minutes ago, The Gipper said: A. I didn't twist your words, I simply repeated them. You said essentially that the NFL did not start until 1970, and that the entity all the time prior to that was the AFL. Your words. If you wish to say.."look, my mind was muddled and I got confused and got that wrong" then that is OK. Just admit that is what happened. B. Now, you are changing the question you asked. You asked "what coach that won a Superbowl then took another team to a Super Bowl. And the answer given were Holmgren and Parcells". Now you want to change the question? And as I have said like 10 times now....the only coach to win a title with one team and then win with another has been Weeb Ewbanks. No matter what you want to call a championship.....AFL Championship, NFL Championship, NFL-AFL Championship, Super Bowl, it don't matter....the answers still remain the same no matter how many different ways you ask it. So, let me, again....give you the facts: A. Has any HC won Championships with 2 teams? Answer: yes: Weeb Ewbank B. Has any HC won those Championship designated with the marketing name "Super Bowl" with 2 different teams? Answer: No. C. Has any HC won a Super Bowl title with one team, then lost it with another? Yes, both Holmgren and Parcells have done that. D. Has any HC lost a Super Bowl with one team then gone on to win a Super Bowl with another: Answer: Yes. Dick Vermeil E. Has any coach lost Super Bowls with more than one team without having ever won a Super Bowl? Answer: Yes; Dan Reeves lost with both the Broncos and the Falcons. John Fox lost with both the Panthers and the Broncos. F. Have coaches with the same last name ever won a Super Bowl and lost a Super Bowl. Yes....guys with the name Harbaugh. Brother John beat brother Jim. Now that I have answered just about all the questions you could think to ask on this subject....and have given you the history of the NFL with its various mergers with other leagues and the championship game history....perhaps you can move on to something else? You still didnt answer the original question. No I didn't change the question i asked you misinterpreted the question i asked if you look at my posts before you ever commented it is clear when I simply said another I was asking about another win not another appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Try some punctuation, perhaps. The run-on's don't make it any easier to understand what you're asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 2:57 PM, bjh2130 said: I don't know the answer to that but I do know it's more than the answer to my question which is 0. No coach has won a Superbowl with the team and then let another team to a Super Bowl championship. like this one posted 3 hours and 3 minutes before your first answer of Mike Holmgren and sandwiched in between the two of my posts you chose to quote to respond to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 56 minutes ago, bjh2130 said: You still didnt answer the original question. No I didn't change the question i asked you misinterpreted the question i asked if you look at my posts before you ever commented it is clear when I simply said another I was asking about another win not another appearance. I don't think you know what the original question is. I think you have simply confuse yourself. I have answered every question that you could have possibly think of. But...go ahead......if I didn't answer your original question...it must have been because, perhaps it is unanswerable. Nevertheless, repeat it. And I will make an effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 54 minutes ago, bjh2130 said: like this one posted 3 hours and 3 minutes before your first answer of Mike Holmgren and sandwiched in between the two of my posts you chose to quote to respond to Jesus, Your language is terrible. No wonder you have confused yourself. Your question is: and let me get this straight. Has any coach won a Super Bowl and then won one with another team? Is that your question? The very first reply to that question was No.....because Weeb Ewbank is the only coach to win championships with two teams in history. Why are these simple answers so difficult for you to comprehend? Or are you more interested in chasing your tail than what the actual answers to the questions are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 1:34 PM, bjh2130 said: Nowhere do I say they suck. They are a super bowl winning coach of course they don't suck. I do however say that I don't want a super bowl-winning retry cuz it's so far been proven that they won't win another Superbowl with a separate team. Funny bring up Pete Carroll I was going to edit my post and say why stop it Weeb ewbank with an AFL and NFL Championship why not include Pete Carroll with the NCAA and NFL Championship. I'm not saying AFL is NCAA but I am saying they are two separate championships. But please show me where I said anything about any of these coaches sucking? You won't find it anywhere but go ahead and put words in my mouth because you presume you know what I think. gipper happens to think a Championship by any other name is still a Championship.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, hoorta said: gipper happens to think a Championship by any other name is still a Championship.... Well...actually, I only count the championships actually that were won by teams in the NFL, and in the leagues that the NFL merged with...the AAFC and the AFL. The 4 NFL-AFL Championship games, later to be known as Super Bowls 1-4...are championships. BUT...I do NOT include the NFL and AFL championship game winners leading up to them as Championships won by those teams. I do not consider the 1966 Chiefs, the 1967 Raiders, the 1968 Colts, or the 1969 Vikings to have won a Championship. When the "Super Bowl" games for those years were instituted, those 4 teams then won the equivalent of a Conference Championship......even though they were called the NFL or AFL championship game....and even though they perhaps were designated NFL Champion or AFL Champion. But, prior to that, when there was NO "Super Bowl"....those are considered Championships. 60/61 Oilers; '62 Texans; '63 Chargers; 64/65 Bills. 1960 Eagles, 61/62 Packers; '63 Bears, '64 Browns, '65 Packers. Same with the 4 titles the Browns won in the AAFC 46-49; and the Bears in 46; Cardinals in 47, and Eagles in 48/49. But once the AAFC and NFL merged, it came down to a single championship again. I do not count the likes of the USFL...that league did not merge with the NFL and NONE of those teams came on to become members of the NFL. Nor would I do the same with the XFL or the AAF....or the like...until and unless they become a part of the major league of the sport. (In other sports....I would count ABA titles, and WHA titles.....leagues that merged and teams that became part of the NBA/NHL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 10:07 AM, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said: O I was under the impresssion that Haley was the guy Hue wanted to bring in. who did he want then? He didn't want anybody. He wanted to keep the job. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: Jesus, Your language is terrible. No wonder you have confused yourself. Your question is: and let me get this straight. Has any coach won a Super Bowl and then won one with another team? Is that your question? The very first reply to that question was No.....because Weeb Ewbank is the only coach to win championships with two teams in history. Why are these simple answers so difficult for you to comprehend? Or are you more interested in chasing your tail than what the actual answers to the questions are? It's not a difficult answer that's why I said the answer is 0 and said your answer wasn't the correct answer. Which I've stated many times in this little back-and-forth the original question was has a coach won a Superbowl with a team and then went on and to win another with a different team as a head coach. your very first reply to that was Mike Holmgren. Your second reply to that was Parcells led such and such and then went to one with the Giants and "ween ewbank" won a championship with two separate themes. I am more interested in the answer to my original question because I don't want a super bowl-winning retread as a head coach. Not saying it won't happen because it probably will but so far no coach has won a Superbowl with the team and then won a second Super Bowl with a different team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 And I knew when I did my research and listed weeb ewbank as a coach who won a Superbowl in his first NFL head coaching gig you would be the curmudgeon to come in and said well you know he won one before because you're so damn intelligent and you're the end-all-be-all of football knowledge I bow down to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, bjh2130 said: It's not a difficult answer that's why I said the answer is 0 and said your answer wasn't the correct answer. Which I've stated many times in this little back-and-forth the original question was has a coach won a Superbowl with a team and then went on and to win another with a different team as a head coach. your very first reply to that was Mike Holmgren. Your second reply to that was Parcells led such and such and then went to one with the Giants and "ween ewbank" won a championship with two separate themes. I am more interested in the answer to my original question because I don't want a super bowl-winning retread as a head coach. Not saying it won't happen because it probably will but so far no coach has won a Superbowl with the team and then won a second Super Bowl with a different team. Sorry, but it was your language skills that made whatever it was that you were trying to type to be incomprehensible. You have ALL the fucking answers....why do I have to be the one to try to train you in English like you are a second grader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, bjh2130 said: And I knew when I did my research and listed weeb ewbank as a coach who won a Superbowl in his first NFL head coaching gig you would be the curmudgeon to come in and said well you know he won one before because you're so damn intelligent and you're the end-all-be-all of football knowledge I bow down to you Except...you had him winning an AFL title. If I was a curmudgeon, it was only because you completely flubbed up whatever it was that you were trying to ask or get across. And its not that I am so intelligent, its just that in this area, I have studied it and I know my shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 I see what happened ... The question, as stated: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 So, Gipper is correct. Just because dude went back and edited the question after the fact does not invalidate the answer, just means he moved the goal post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Gipper said: I admit that I should have put "another win" instead of "another". However if you would have read the post right after that it is very clear that is what I'm talking about. The one I quoted in the one that is sandwich right in between the two post you happen to quote and respond to of mine But you wanted to try and demonstrate your amazing football knowledge. I get it you're trying to belittle me because I tried to teach you technology like a second grader when you couldn't get your talk-to-text working right. Have a great day gip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, bjh2130 said: I admit that I should have put "another win" instead of "another". However if you would have read the post right after that it is very clear that is what I'm talking about. The one I quoted in the one that is sandwich right in between the two post you happen to quote and respond to of mine But you wanted to try and demonstrate your amazing football knowledge. I get it you're trying to belittle me because I tried to teach you technology like a second grader when you couldn't get your talk-to-text working right. Have a great day gip Not only are your language skills awful....I see that Choco has called you out as a cheating liar. You originally asked. ONLY...which coaches won a SB and then went on to take another team to the SB. (he says you edited in the "win" word). And I answered your original question. But, be happy.....my answer to your original question was only partially correct. I just said "Holmgren"...when the answer is "Holmgren and Parcells". And I already knew how to cut and paste and edit on here. And if I wanted someone to teach me to cheat and lie...well, from when I was 16 to 22 Richard Nixon was Potus, so I had better examples of that than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, choco said: So, Gipper is correct. Just because dude went back and edited the question after the fact does not invalidate the answer, just means he moved the goal post Because I left out the word when if you read the very next post it clearly makes that point. That I was talking about winning Super Bowls with two different teams. Why would I ask a question that I know the answer isn't 0 when I'm trying to make that my point that I don't want a super bowl-winning retread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Not only are your language skills awful....I see that Choco has called you out as a cheating liar. You originally asked. ONLY...which coaches won a SB and then went on to take another team to the SB. (he says you edited in the "win" word). And I answered your original question. But, be happy.....my answer to your original question was only partially correct. I just said "Holmgren"...when the answer is "Holmgren and Parcells". And I already knew how to cut and paste and edit on here. And if I wanted someone to teach me to cheat and lie...well, from when I was 16 to 22 Richard Nixon was Potus, so I had better examples of that than you. Okay it's not cheating and lying you dumb prick I left out the word when I admitted that or Victory whatever you want to say on accident but in my very next post on the subject after he quoted me it clearly states led them to another Super Bowl victory. When my point is that I don't want another Super bowl-winning retread why would I ask a question that I know the answer is not 0 when I can make my point by asking what coach has won a Super Bowl with two different teams. I worded that poorly and I left out a word doesn't mean I'm a cheating liar. It's people like you that will keep me from going to the Browns board tailgate next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, choco said: So, Gipper is correct. Just because dude went back and edited the question after the fact does not invalidate the answer, just means he moved the goal post On 1/1/2019 at 2:57 PM, bjh2130 said: I don't know the answer to that but I do know it's more than the answer to my question which is 0. No coach has won a Superbowl with the team and then led another team to a Super Bowl championship. Which the comment I replied to said sure I don't want a super bowl-winning coach. Well I don't because it's been proven so far that they won't win another Superbowl with a different team. Like I said I don't know the answer to your question but if your question is how many Super Bowls have not been won by a coach that have only one them in one place the answer is 50. I'm not against "retreads". I'm against super bowl-winning retreads. But off the top of my head Doug Pederson Sean Payton John Harbaugh Mike Tomlin. That's four more than the answer to mine. Edit I misread your question as first-time head coaches that did win a Super Bowl because that is actually trackable without spending hours on it. Why no screenshot of this post. The one that was made 20 minutes after the original one when I was asked a question to my question by Dutch. It makes it very clear that I am talking about another win and I accidentally left a word out. Which this post that I just quoted was before Gipper's response so it should make it clear that I'm talking about winning a Super Bowl with two different teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 So you guys wrote hundreds of words about "who said what" over a question about coaches that had won a SB with 2 different teams? Internet is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, bjh2130 said: Because I left out the word when if you read the very next post it clearly makes that point. That I was talking about winning Super Bowls with two different teams. Why would I ask a question that I know the answer isn't 0 when I'm trying to make that my point that I don't want a super bowl-winning retread I answered the post you made. I did that before I saw your next post. I did it before you edited your first post. I can only answer a question that is asked. In Jeopardy they don't say "wait...don't ring in to answer this question until after the next question is asked". It don't work that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, Nero said: So you guys wrote hundreds of words about "who said what" over a question about coaches that had won a SB with 2 different teams? Internet is amazing. And it's all over my text to talk not picking up the word win. Or maybe it did and spelled it as "when" so when glimpsing over it I deleted the entire word instead of changing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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