OldBrownsFan Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 Venezuela should be a lesson to some in this country about the failures of socialism and the need for an armed citizenry: https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuelans-regret-gun-prohibition-we-could-have-defended-ourselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 Americans will bend over for gun control if the person doing the gun control has the correct letter beside their name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, OldBrownsFan said: Venezuela should be a lesson to some in this country about the failures of socialism and the need for an armed citizenry: https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuelans-regret-gun-prohibition-we-could-have-defended-ourselves I'm surprised Tex hasn't responded to this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 hour ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Americans will bend over for gun control if the person doing the gun control has the correct letter beside their name. only liberal Americans. https://www.skilledsurvival.com/survivalists-guide-hiding-guns/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 related: WHAT? New Jersey forcing off-duty cops to use LOW-capacity magazines!! Last June New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy signed into law a ban on high-capacity gun magazines, meaning that anyone with a magazine that holds over 10 rounds would be guilty of a fourth-degree crime. The new and incredibly ridiculous law went into effect this week and it even applies to off-duty law enforcement officers: Former Police Commissioner for NYPD blasted this memo, saying that it’s endangering the lives of every off-duty cop in New Jersey: ********* As Breitbart points out, the law was challenged in the courts but the Third Circuit recently upheld the ban 2-1. The one dissenting judge was a Trump appointee. I can only hope that the ruling is appealed and the law is found unconstitutional. https://therightscoop.com/what-new-jersey-says-off-duty-cops/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 hours ago, calfoxwc said: only liberal Americans. https://www.skilledsurvival.com/survivalists-guide-hiding-guns/ Trump rolled over fast and the NRA followed suit. Not a peep from the same conservatives who would be frothing at the mouth if a Democrat had called for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TexasAg1969 Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 4 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: I'm surprised Tex hasn't responded to this! Just got back from a Xmas party I was forced to go to by the female in charge of partygoing.🤣 Actually when I lived in Venezuela it was illegal to own weapons with the exception of shotguns for hunting, mostly by people who lived outside the cities. Most people died from things like machete or knife fights, but murders were very uncommon even with access to those by anyone. There was a lot of burglary and most people with money had walls around their home with broken glass mortared into the tops to deter thieves. So I really can't say when it actually become legal to own weapons. I do know from friends who have left that armed robbery became so commonplace that they just had to leave their homeland. That plus the combination of having no voice in government which squandered the oil resources and led to extreme shortages of even the most basic of foods and medical supplies. Chavez & Maduro didn't have a big brother (Russia) like Cuba did to support their socialist government and keep at least food supplies and health care for all in decent shape. Very sad to have watched so many Venezuelan friends leave after years of hearing them say not to come visit. Too dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 11 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Trump rolled over fast and the NRA followed suit. Not a peep from the same conservatives who would be frothing at the mouth if a Democrat had called for it. It would not have bothered this conservative one bit if it had been Obama who had made bump stocks illegal. I'm thankful though that Obama is no longer placing anti second amendment judges on federal courts where the real battle is going to be taking place on gun control and Trump is placing judges more friendly to the 2a and the constitution. It comes as no surprise to me that a Trump appointed judge was the dissenter in the legal case I posted. It only shows Trump needs to get more of his nominations on the court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: It would not have bothered this conservative one bit if it had been Obama who had made bump stocks illegal. I'm thankful though that Obama is no longer placing anti second amendment judges on federal courts where the real battle is going to be taking place on gun control and Trump is placing judges more friendly to the 2a and the constitution. It comes as no surprise to me that a Trump appointed judge was the dissenter in the legal case I posted. It only shows Trump needs to get more of his nominations on the court. Hope nothing else sounds scary when it is fired, conservatives will ban people with quick fingers or bouncy shoulders. Trump will arrest them and worry about due process later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 There are people who are pro 2A and there are Republicans. They are not automatically interchangeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=8e5_1507160150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 Think of the kids! *clutch pearls* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 28 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Think of the kids! *clutch pearls* In Vegas the 59 killed weren't just clutching pearls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: In Vegas the 59 killed weren't just clutching pearls. And you think that bumpstock that causes the gun to bounce and be less accurate was the cause of 59 people being dead? Or just maybe it was the bullets? Your logic could be used to ban literally anything that causes a lot of harm in the wrong hands. Were you on the bandwagon to ban ARs after the Orlando nightclub shooting? Because having 30 rounds of ammo per mag made that guy’s massacre a little more efficient. How about not basing legislation and EOs on the worst of the worst? I almost want Democrats in office so conservatives remember to defend the 2A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 3 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: And you think that bumpstock that causes the gun to bounce and be less accurate was the cause of 59 people being dead? Or just maybe it was the bullets? Your logic could be used to ban literally anything that causes a lot of harm in the wrong hands. Were you on the bandwagon to ban ARs after the Orlando nightclub shooting? Because having 30 rounds of ammo per mag made that guy’s massacre a little more efficient. How about not basing legislation and EOs on the worst of the worst? I almost want Democrats in office so conservatives remember to defend the 2A. One of the lies the gun grabbers use is that semi automatics spray bullets like an automatic. That is false but with bump stocks a semi automatic does actually spray bullets like an automatic. I personally don't have a problem with making anything illegal that will modify a semi automatic into effectively making it an an automatic. I posted an article above where New Jersey has already made magazines over 10 rounds illegal and the one judge who voted against it was a Trump appointee showing this is where the real battle is going to be (in the courts) and how important it is for Trump to get constitutional judges on the bench after 8 years of Obama's appointing his judges. Everything runs in cycles and eventually you will get your wish with the the democrats in power and we will see a whole lot more than bumpstock bans but likely another assault weapons ban and maybe even Australia type gun confiscation that some democrats are already speaking about. When the real gun grabbers who are in the democrat party take the reins of power I don't think you are going to like it so much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said: One of the lies the gun grabbers use is that semi automatics spray bullets like an automatic. That is false but with bump stocks a semi automatic does actually spray bullets like an automatic. I personally don't have a problem with making anything illegal that will modify a semi automatic into effectively making it an an automatic. I posted an article above where New Jersey has already made magazines over 10 rounds illegal and the one judge who voted against it was a Trump appointee showing this is where the real battle is going to be (in the courts) and how important it is for Trump to get constitutional judges on the bench after 8 years of Obama's appointing his judges. Everything runs in cycles and eventually you will get your wish with the the democrats in power and we will see a whole lot more than bumpstock bans but likely another assault weapons ban and maybe even Australia type gun confiscation that some democrats are already speaking about. When the real gun grabbers who are in the democrat party take the reins of power I don't think you are going to like it so much... Already showed you several videos where people do the exact same function with a finger and a shoulder as that bumpstock. You for banning how someone holds their firearm? The Republicans are diet Democrats who rolled over on first opportunity so you have to understand my cynicism. I am pro 2A and loath soft spines giving in without considering the long term effects. Especially if they are using the same tactics and emotional pleas of the left to justify what their favorite guy did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Already showed you several videos where people do the exact same function with a finger and a shoulder as that bumpstock. You for banning how someone holds their firearm? Sure, make it a felony, just call it common sense gun control. It won't make any difference but it will make somebody feel good. The Republicans are diet Democrats who rolled over on first opportunity so you have to understand my cynicism. I am pro 2A and loath soft spines giving in without considering the long term effects. Especially if they are using the same tactics and emotional pleas of the left to justify what their favorite guy did. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 21 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: And you think that bumpstock that causes the gun to bounce and be less accurate was the cause of 59 people being dead? Or just maybe it was the bullets? Your logic could be used to ban literally anything that causes a lot of harm in the wrong hands. Were you on the bandwagon to ban ARs after the Orlando nightclub shooting? Because having 30 rounds of ammo per mag made that guy’s massacre a little more efficient. How about not basing legislation and EOs on the worst of the worst? I almost want Democrats in office so conservatives remember to defend the 2A. A couple of things. It doesn't matter to me if the banning of bump stocks came from Obama, Pelosi and Schumer I would have been on board with it and supported it. The gunfire coming out of the hotel window in Vegas sounded just like automatic gunfire and anything that can take a semi automatic and modify it into an automatic I have no problems with making illegal. My fight is to keep semi automatics legal not for modifying semis into autos. As for magazine limits I am against it because who sets the magic number of what is allowed? The Vegas shooter even with a 30 round magazine could never have fired like he did nor do the amount of killing he did without modifying his semi automatic into an automatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 48 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: A couple of things. It doesn't matter to me if the banning of bump stocks came from Obama, Pelosi and Schumer I would have been on board with it and supported it. The gunfire coming out of the hotel window in Vegas sounded just like automatic gunfire and anything that can take a semi automatic and modify it into an automatic I have no problems with making illegal. My fight is to keep semi automatics legal not for modifying semis into autos. As for magazine limits I am against it because who sets the magic number of what is allowed? The Vegas shooter even with a 30 round magazine could never have fired like he did nor do the amount of killing he did without modifying his semi automatic into an automatic. So you lopping those fingers off to prevent people from doing that with their fingers and shoulders? Gonna try to ban physics? It wasn’t full auto fire. Secondly, that bumpstock being the bouncy hunk of shit it is likely saved some people. A competition trigger and more practice would have resulted in more carnage than his use of that bumpstock. Hope the President never pieces it together and bans competition triggers. The NRA and soft conservatives would roll over for it immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 I also strongly call shenanigans on you being kosher with a Dem doing that given your well known Republican hardlining. I don’t falter on this stuff depending on who is in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 2 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: I also strongly call shenanigans on you being kosher with a Dem doing that given your well known Republican hardlining. I don’t falter on this stuff depending on who is in office. And you would strongly be wrong. No shenanigans. I was opposed to bumpstocks from the first time I saw them being used by the Vegas shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just seen on TV. Trump Administration bans bump stocks and gives owners 90 days to turn them in. Details will come later I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Although I think Bump stocks are a joke, banning them is dangerous because it set a precedent for further banning. I agree with Logic on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 12/16/2018 at 9:28 AM, OldBrownsFan said: A couple of things. It doesn't matter to me if the banning of bump stocks came from Obama, Pelosi and Schumer I would have been on board with it and supported it. The gunfire coming out of the hotel window in Vegas sounded just like automatic gunfire and anything that can take a semi automatic and modify it into an automatic I have no problems with making illegal. My fight is to keep semi automatics legal not for modifying semis into autos. As for magazine limits I am against it because who sets the magic number of what is allowed? The Vegas shooter even with a 30 round magazine could never have fired like he did nor do the amount of killing he did without modifying his semi automatic into an automatic. Why argue/discuss bump stocks when you can legally buy an automatic rifle with the right ATF form? The only two things it takes to kill a lot of people is insanity and planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, Comeonman said: Why argue/discuss bump stocks when you can legally buy an automatic rifle with the right ATF form? The only two things it takes to kill a lot of people is insanity and planning. It's still legal to buy a machine gun made before 1986 but it is also very costly and not an easy process. It's still legal to own a machine gun (it's also extremely difficult and especially expensive) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/its-still-legal-to-own-a-machine-gun-its-also-extremely-difficult-and-especially-expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 Not that expensive here in Texas. Guess it could be elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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