cccjwh Posted November 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: I wouldn't say a complete lack of respect but certainly a minor level across the board. Are there exceptions to every rule? Sure. Of course any job that could be reasonably easily replaced is probably not meant to be on a very high pedestal. WSS But I agree with you. If a 15 year ago kid in China can do your job, you deserve to lose it. If a uneducated immigrant standing outside of home depot can fix the same thing you charge 60$ an hour to fix. Your job is "high pedestal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 Steve the "anti education" bias from you is too strong. Bordering on some kind of resentment. The teacher bashing is just the cherry on top. Jesus You say "well I guess there are exceptions to every rule" while simultaneously acting like an exception is a rule. You're just spouting off claims with 0 data to back it up and then acting like we need to prove you wrong. I mean I get that's 90% of this board but come on. Have some level of common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: Ur so right. All these fortune 500 ceo's are all high school dropouts to be sure..... Many of the richest Americans are or were indeed dropouts. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, Evan Williams, Michael Dell just to name a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said: Many of the richest Americans are or were indeed dropouts. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, Evan Williams, Michael Dell just to name a few Compared to, you know, the rest of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted November 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 minute ago, The Cysko Kid said: Many of the richest Americans are or were indeed dropouts. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, Evan Williams, Michael Dell just to name a few Forbes breaks it down, ~15% of 400 richest people in the US only have a high school diploma. For you college dropouts that means ~85% do. https://www.forbes.com/pictures/mfg45gdkf/billionaire-phds-21/#78f5aca038a8 No college degree: 63 Law degree: 35 Science degree: 29 PhD: 21 Medical: 5 And again... https://theconversation.com/the-myth-of-the-college-dropout-75760 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Cysko Kid Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: First off, you're talking to the wrong guy, you hostile little monkey turd. If you take issue with something Steve said take it up with him. 15% by the way is not a negligible number. That's 1 in 6.25 or so. Put that into perspective for a second. Black Americans are somewhere between 14-17% of the population. So in your mind black people are negligible. Nice job, racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said: First off, you're talking to the wrong guy, you hostile little monkey turd. If you take issue with something Steve said take it up with him. 15% by the way is not a negligible number. That's 1 in 6.25 or so. Put that into perspective for a second. Black Americans are somewhere between 14-17% of the population. So in your mind black people are negligible. Nice job, racist. Yep. Truth hurts, unless it's involving a troll that has no idea of what they are saying, they just want a reaction and attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 30 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: That's funny that I make between master and professional degree money. That means those degrees are toilet paper. FYI a lot and I mean a lot of tradesmen make that kind of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, The Cysko Kid said: That's funny that I make between master and professional degree money. That means those degrees are toilet paper. FYI a lot and I mean a lot of tradesmen make that kind of money. Yep. My top CNC guy makes $30 an hour plus has access to a lot of OT. Can get to $90k+ I've seen CNC guys with CAD knowledge making $40 and hour. I'm also between a master's and professional... so maybe those numbers are old. Or we're just in the right industry. No one is saying you CAN'T make money without a Bachelors or higher. We're just calling out people making claims like Steve has that are blatantly anti education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 This country needs more Tool and Die makers, CNC, etc. Most who go to college end up getting a worthless degree like my younger brother who got a degree in journalism. He ended up selling fucking insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 and less superduper educated moron dipsticks like this one: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez American Politician Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is an American politician, educator, and political activist. On June 26, 2018, Ocasio-Cortez won the Democratic primary in New York's 14th congressional district covering parts ... Wikipedia Born: October 13, 1989 (age 29 years), The Bronx, New York City, NY Nationality: American Party: Democratic Party Education: Boston University (2011), Yorktown Central School District (Yorktown High School) Parents: Sergio Ocasio, Blanca Ocasio-Cortez Siblings: Gabriel Ocasio-Cortez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 liberals' heroine: NO ONE is this dense! Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez makes a fool of ... https://twitchy.com/.../no-one-is-this-dense-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-makes-a-fool-of-... Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez makes a fool of herself yet AGAIN with tweet on single-payer (screenshot). Posted at 9:37 am on November 25, 2018 by Sam J. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez makes a fool of herself yet AGAIN with ... www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1224765/pg5 4 days ago - 20 posts - 8 authors Why don't you ask the OP? The OP made a thread about what Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said on twitter. I"m just commenting within the thread. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez makes a fool of herself - News Daily https://newsdaily.today/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-makes-a-fool-of-herself/ Alexandria Ocasio Cortez makes a fool of herself. admin November 7, 2018 0. Spread the love. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez makes a fool of herself ... Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Made A Fool Of Herself On Comedy Central ... https://www.chicksonright.com › Current Events Jul 29, 2018 - Socialist darling Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently appeared on Comedy Central (fitting, no?) and made a complete fool of herself. For starters ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 way back, years ago, there was this PHD from India. I had my two yr degree. We worked in a high tech R&D lab.I was the only programmer/analyst. I wrote a calculations program for a very, very complex test that involved two crazy scientific really long and complex algorithms.Short version - my program calculated in about one second the right answer every time.I ened up in the VP's office, with the PHD ridiculing me for my program that kept getting the answers wrong. He even called me an incompetent fool. So, I went up to the white board, and explained my understanding of the whole scientific test, and my interpretations of the algorithms' proper calculation process in order. The VP got on the phone, and called an expert in the field that he knew. Turned out, I was absolutely correct, and the PHDwas completely wrong in how he calc'ed with his calculator. He went from yelling at me, to quietly apologizing. He was stunned. After that, he took us out to a local Indian food restaurant, and he kept taking me out every so often. The chicken drumsticks soaked in some kind of red beet brine something was really good. I spent many years fixing code of programs that were poorly written and didn't function properly - written by bachelor of computer science degreed higher educated incompetents. It isn't that you get a degree - it's still the innate skills that lends itself to the person being excellent in the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 Even a stopped clock is correct at least twice a day. I agree with Cortez on this. There is no bigger fish representing crony capitalism than Amazon: Ocasio-Cortez takes on the Amazon fight in New York https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/22/amazon-hq-2-new-york-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-1012546 Nolte: Crony Capitalism: Democrats Give Away $2 Billion in Welfare to Amazon https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/13/nolte-crony-capitalism-democrats-give-away-2-billion-in-welfare-to-amazon/ How Does One Stop Cronyism? One Crony At A Time https://www.redstate.com/setonmotley/2018/11/27/one-stop-cronyism-one-crony-time/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 3 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Steve the "anti education" bias from you is too strong. Bordering on some kind of resentment. why, I went to college? What's your point? I'm not going to get a part in a movie because I aced my theater classes. The teacher bashing is just the cherry on top. Jesus teaching is one of the most overrated jobs in the United States. I would wager to say that anybody on this board could teach High School with a few months of training. Maybe not stem glasses but by and large. Teachers probably work 40% less than your average worker and make about twice the average wage in Ohio. Exceptions? Yes. There are some who are dedicated and wonderful. For every one of them there are probably five that are just taking up space and probably one or two that are actual detriments to learning. You say "well I guess there are exceptions to every rule" while simultaneously acting like an exception is a rule. see above You're just spouting off claims with 0 data to back it up and then acting like we need to prove you wrong. I mean I get that's 90% of this board but come on. Have some level of common sense. Common Sense? Surely you jest. letting the teachers union lead you around by the balls is not common sense. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted November 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 Warning attempted hijacking in progress!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 Hey, that's the first time you posted anything resembling data. I guess that's progress. Though I'm sure you're gonna stretch exactly what political affiliation means in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, cccjwh said: Warning attempted hijacking in progress!!! Right? What an attempt at a hard left turn. He must have been watching something today that said Cortez is the devil. Just repeating what he saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, calfoxwc said: way back, years ago, there was this PHD from India. I had my two yr degree. We worked in a high tech R&D lab.I was the only programmer/analyst. I wrote a calculations program for a very, very complex test that involved two crazy scientific really long and complex algorithms.Short version - my program calculated in about one second the right answer every time.I ened up in the VP's office, with the PHD ridiculing me for my program that kept getting the answers wrong. He even called me an incompetent fool. So, I went up to the white board, and explained my understanding of the whole scientific test, and my interpretations of the algorithms' proper calculation process in order. The VP got on the phone, and called an expert in the field that he knew. Turned out, I was absolutely correct, and the PHDwas completely wrong in how he calc'ed with his calculator. He went from yelling at me, to quietly apologizing. He was stunned. After that, he took us out to a local Indian food restaurant, and he kept taking me out every so often. The chicken drumsticks soaked in some kind of red beet brine something was really good. I spent many years fixing code of programs that were poorly written and didn't function properly - written by bachelor of computer science degreed higher educated incompetents. It isn't that you get a degree - it's still the innate skills that lends itself to the person being excellent in the field. I'll take "Things That Didn't Happen" for $800 Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 3 posts in a row for the peckerhead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 7 hours ago, MLD Woody said: I'll take "Things That Didn't Happen" for $800 Alex yet, it is true, woodypeckerhead. you are so jealous of everybody who actually has lived life greatly. someday, maybe you will have one. or....not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 13 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Hey, that's the first time you posted anything resembling data. I guess that's progress. Though I'm sure you're gonna stretch exactly what political affiliation means in this case. But posting a random slew of numbers really doesn't have anything to do with the opinion I put forth which I believe is valid. Education is fine oh, it makes some people feel better about themselves and in some cases trains a person for a career. Of course some people tend to become arrogant because they have a masters in something it's not particularly useful to the real world . I think teachers are among that group. When I was in college there were job postings all over the walls at the Student Center I can't specifically say it was most of them but it could have been that a red any degree. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 "the over educated are often less successful" ... That's where a "ramdon slew of numbers" (read: evidence and data) would be very helpful. And that was just the first claim you made. You followed up with more on your anti education kick with little to nothing to support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: "the over educated are often less successful" ... That's where a "ramdon slew of numbers" (read: evidence and data) would be very helpful. And that was just the first claim you made. You followed up with more on your anti education kick with little to nothing to support it. Like the one example I poste, which I think are valid. That would include teachers, many of which are required to get master's degrees just because of the benefits of the cake job they hope to get and not because more education makes them better teachers. Philosophy, sociology, women's studies, African studies Etc Majors have useless degrees. I could probably add theater Majors to that list. I'll repeat I think everyone on this board could be trained to teach most High School classes within a few weeks. So there lies my disrespect for their profession. Such as it is. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted November 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Westside Steve said: Like the one example I poste, which I think are valid. That would include teachers, many of which are required to get master's degrees just because of the benefits of the cake job they hope to get and not because more education makes them better teachers. Philosophy, sociology, women's studies, African studies Etc Majors have useless degrees. I could probably add theater Majors to that list. I'll repeat I think everyone on this board could be trained to teach most High School classes within a few weeks. So there lies my disrespect for their profession. Such as it is. WSS In order to teach something at a high level you have to learn and understand it at a high level. Again your feeling don't mean shit to anybody but yourself. Just empty assertions. Go ahead and teach some calculus to everyone here. I took three semesters of it in college and I couldn't teach it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 40 minutes ago, cccjwh said: In order to teach something at a high level you have to learn and understand it at a high level. Again your feeling don't mean shit to anybody but yourself. Just empty assertions. Go ahead and teach some calculus to everyone here. I took three semesters of it in college and I couldn't teach it well. Too bad you didn't take a couple of semesters of reading comprehension. If you did you would notice that I said most and I believe earlier I did not include in stem classes. But yes in most courses you'd have to have a basic understanding of the high school level. And I don't think that's a very high bar Basically you have to know just a little bit more than the kids. Let me ask you, besides a couple science courses what other courses do you think you'd have a problem brushing up on in a few weeks? You have your lesson plan handed to you on your first day and it doesn't change. If you don't have the aptitude for it it doesn't matter if you have a doctorate degree and English literature you won't be a good teacher. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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