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Baker shaded Haley hard after the game.....

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Thank God they don't...... well, there was that RB pass thing and the Baker acting class play. 

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7 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

"we dont run plays we're no good at anymore"........laugh, out, loud

Perhaps both Haley and Hue.

I think Baker and the O have more control over the plays now.

This pleases me.

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2 minutes ago, stillmotion said:

Perhaps both Haley and Hue.

I think Baker and the O have more control over the plays now.

This pleases me.

well, i think when hue stated he's thinking of taking control of the offense back........that pretty much gave away that most of the season it was haleys show.

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1 minute ago, Clevfan4life said:

well, i think when hue stated he's thinking of taking control of the offense back........that pretty much gave away that most of the season it was haleys show.

It was completely a battle between Hue and Haley. Haley had to get all of his plays "approved" by Hue. When Hue wouldn't approve them, he would sometimes do the opposite of what Hue instructed. This caused chaos, and Hue's speech of taking back the offense. Both were just trying to win. Hue's 4th down plays, time management, ect were horrible.

Definitely a shot at Haley, but remember Hue invited Baker in during hard knocks to tell him he'd earned the 2nd string QB position. hahaha

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7 minutes ago, D Bone said:

Thank God they don't...... well, there was that RB pass thing and the Baker acting class play. 

im ok with the shakespeare act, the other one....nit so much

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1 minute ago, stillmotion said:

It was completely a battle between Hue and Haley. Haley had to get all of his plays "approved" by Hue. When Hue wouldn't approve them, he would sometimes do the opposite of what Hue instructed. This caused chaos, and Hue's speech of taking back the offense. 

is this verified?

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1 minute ago, Clevfan4life said:

is this verified?

Yes, Hue even says in his presser "He had to approve Haley's plays". But it's obvious Haley went off on a tangent on his own at times and overrided Hue.

I equate it to having a Boss that tells you how to work on a project, telling you it has to be a certain way (his way) when you think your way is the better way. You can either do what you think is ineffective on the project (a waste of time) and get subpar results, or try to do it your way and win. Haley didn't respect Hue, so I get why he wouldn't bow down to him.

Hue's tried to spin it off as there was no discord, and everyone got along fine and just argued a little, but Jimmy called it that.

I don't know if Haley was horrible, and one of the worst OC's ever, or if it was a combination of him trying to be a "hero" and become head coach if Hue was fired. I do know Hue was here for years and Haley was only here a half of a season. Who knows how much control Hue "i'm the captain" had or wanted, and how this affected his staff. Kitchens runs Haley's system, but Kitchens respects Gregg Williams. So in turn, I doubt he'd try to override anything Gregg said, and I doubt Gregg would want to "approve" all his plays on offense.

Personally if i were Haley i'd feel disrespected if i'd been in the league that long and someone had to check and nitpick all of my plays. Who knows what happened between the two.

I only know we're better off without both of them.

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Glad we have the captains steering the ship now.  8 games too late though.

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The announcers kept talking about how Mayfield looked decisive, but it goes beyond that. The whole offense looks more decisive, it just seems to move downhill. The players look like they understand what they are expected to do, and play like it. Pass plays don't put Mayfield in position to get drilled constantly, and they are designed well and GASP! receivers actually seem to be able to get schemed open. It's night and day. 

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20 minutes ago, stillmotion said:

I only know we're better off without both of them.

The shame of it is that because of past problems, the Haslams did not feel like they could get rid of a 1 win coach. All the drama was for nothing but good fodder for Hard Knock. He was exactly what he looked to be those first two years.

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Saw a quote on twitter that Kitchens had asked Baker and the offensive line for their five most favourite plays in the book 

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lets take a step.back before we annoint this a SB team, "again". They played well against a team that likely thought the Browns had thrown the towel in for the season. Rem how high we were before the cgargers came to town taking us seriously? The browns got stomped. They need to put a string of competitive games together before i make affirmative pronouncenents about their staff changes

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3 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

lets take a step.back before we annoint this a SB team, "again". They played well against a team that likely thought the Browns had thrown the towel in for the season. Rem how high we were before the cgargers came to town taking us seriously? The browns got stomped. They need to put a string of competitive games together before i make affirmative pronouncenents about their staff changes

Pride is a son of a bitch...

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9 minutes ago, Kvoethe said:

Laughs

 

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I wasn’t able to watch last week, but this is the first game l saw where Baker was putting some touch on the ball when the situation warranted it, like swing passes to the rb. Good sign l think. The game may be slowing down for him.

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58 minutes ago, Kvoethe said:

Laughs

 

Well, there was that one bad interference call....

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Hoorta blasted me, but I never liked Haley. I wish the Steelers would take him back. What a difference, not just in performance, but in attitude.

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3 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Hoorta blasted me, but I never liked Haley. I wish the Steelers would take him back. What a difference, not just in performance, but in attitude.

Yes but having Haley run the offense still probably better than having Hue  run it

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Notice the 20 ATT today.  That's a big change in the right direction.  Run the ball for 200 yards and limit the rookie to 20 ATT's is how to win games.

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11 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

The announcers kept talking about how Mayfield looked decisive, but it goes beyond that. The whole offense looks more decisive, it just seems to move downhill. The players look like they understand what they are expected to do, and play like it. Pass plays don't put Mayfield in position to get drilled constantly, and they are designed well and GASP! receivers actually seem to be able to get schemed open. It's night and day. 

I don't have stats to back it up, but my eyes tell me we're not running NEAR as many 7 step drops. The vast majority of the passes seem to come out on the 3rd or 5th step. Props to the receivers for getting open, and of course CATCHING it. Also, our OL isn't asked to block as long, and this shows up in our sacked numbers. Wow, who would've thunk it? Of course, we did an excellent job of not getting far behind the sticks, and this makes it easier to avoid the longer drop backs, and it's a credit to our coaches and players to really work on our penalties and our execution. Yeah, we've played some rather poor defenses, but it's still wonderful to see our team make some progress and be fun to watch! 

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It's been good to see Duke more involved in the game plan, too. I didn't realize how much Haley sucked until Kitchens started running the offense.

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13 hours ago, stillmotion said:

Yes, Hue even says in his presser "He had to approve Haley's plays". But it's obvious Haley went off on a tangent on his own at times and overrided Hue.

I only know we're better off without both of them.

Hue said that AFTER the Tampa game, a game in which more terrible offensive playcalls were made. He said he was gonna start to help out. 

These playcalls were in OVERTIME:

1: double screen as drive starter.

 Result: holding, 10 yard penalty.

2. Run play in striking distance on first down after a turnover.

its all bygones now, but your making stuff up talking like that. And your last statement is a FACT.

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If Baker and Kitchen have a good thing going as it seems. Williams and Dorsey go along. Just maybe we have our QB HC combo of the future in the makings. God bless them, they’re making the Browns fun to watch again. 

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14 hours ago, Clevfan4life said:

lets take a step.back before we annoint this a SB team, "again". They played well against a team that likely thought the Browns had thrown the towel in for the season. Rem how high we were before the cgargers came to town taking us seriously? The browns got stomped. They need to put a string of competitive games together before i make affirmative pronouncenents about their staff changes

I’d prefer to revel in the fact we dominated the Falcons in every aspect of the game and kicked their a$$. 

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