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8 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

I look at that Dline similar to what Minnesota was trying there for a while with the Williams boys in the middle, Jared Allen and Ray Edwards. 

if we could clone larry, i guess....thise two williams boys were legit. i havent heard jobi's name called in weeks. Where the fuk are the guys we brought in a week before preaeason? Didnt we bring in a giant NT type from NO and also carl davis who is also NT size? we traded danny and meder for 2 identical players with demonstrably less talent. 

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On 11/5/2018 at 8:59 AM, tiamat63 said:

You realize just how many fronts you can and will run in any one game, right?   

 

Exactly; the old 3-4 / 4-3 is an archaic way to look at a defense.

The Patriots play a 4-3, but only about 15% of all snaps occur with 4 lineman. 

The only numbers that matter to me on defense are points per game allowed PPG.

The Browns are ranked 28th out of 32 teams, allowing 27.4 PPG.

That is shitty, even for a Greg Williams defense; his defenses are usually in the middle of the pack.

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2 hours ago, finger Mellon said:

Exactly; the old 3-4 / 4-3 is an archaic way to look at a defense.

The Patriots play a 4-3, but only about 15% of all snaps occur with 4 lineman. 

The only numbers that matter to me on defense are points per game allowed PPG.

The Browns are ranked 28th out of 32 teams, allowing 27.4 PPG.

That is shitty, even for a Greg Williams defense; his defenses are usually in the middle of the pack.

Basically agree points per game for defense are the most important stat and yeah Browns suck there. 

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the issue is the scheme should fit the players. This is why defenses in the past sukked such vast amounts of a-ss. The players were being asked to do things they werent built for. Thats a problem. If we went to a 34 and asked ogunjobi to be the NT....he could do it, but as the season wore on he'd break down fairly quickly. 

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One thing I do not think has been mentioned in this thread is that contrary to popular belief at its heart the 3-4 is a run defense... and as we all know this is no longer a run league.

On 11/10/2018 at 5:04 AM, finger Mellon said:

Exactly; the old 3-4 / 4-3 is an archaic way to look at a defense.

True, everyone morphs these days to whatever extent their personnel allow them, or require them, to do so. However, teams do have a base D... a "go to" look.

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20 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

One thing I do not think has been mentioned in this thread is that contrary to popular belief at its heart the 3-4 is a run defense... and as we all know this is no longer a run league.

True, everyone morphs these days to whatever extent their personnel allow them, or require them, to do so. However, teams do have a base D... a "go to" look.

I have to disagree.  There is and will always be a place for the running game to take the drivers seat in this league.  Maybe not just for teams looking to emphasize it,  but for teams looking to control clock and close out games. 

Look at what the emergence of a running game has done for the Saints, Lions and just a few short years ago, San Fran and eventual champion Seahawks.   Even a great team like the Rams, the very foundation of their offensive philosophy is running the ball effectively and setting up play action vertical shots for Goff and his accuracy.  

You are right about the 34 being based in run stopping past.  'Twas the Oklahoma 52 at one point. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

One thing I do not think has been mentioned in this thread is that contrary to popular belief at its heart the 3-4 is a run defense... and as we all know this is no longer a run league.

True, everyone morphs these days to whatever extent their personnel allow them, or require them, to do so. However, teams do have a base D... a "go to" look.

i dont think the 3-4 stops the run better than a 4-3 anymore. I think players stop the run. I personally prefer 4-3 edges in run stopping because i think they are able to hold up at the point better against modern tackles that arent just ginormous but also athletically freakish....like that dallas LT. Smaller 3-4 olb'ers tend to get swallowed or obliterated by guys like that. Exceptions like Mack and Houston dually noted. 

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