OldBrownsFan Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 The liberals at one time had the free speech issue right. The answer to speech you don't like or feel offensive is not to shut it down but to have MORE speech. This is the opposite of what the left is doing now in attempting to shut down speech they don't like. What they left is doing is really chilling and Orwellian: It seems that the far-left Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) wants to have complete dictatorial control over what everyone in the country is allowed to do, say or think. On Thursday, Newsbusters’ Corinne Weaver reported that the anti-conservative organization has partnered with four George Soros-funded groups to censor everyone with whom it disagrees, which generally means anyone to the right of center. Moreover, the SPLC wants left-wing social media giants like Facebook and Twitter to help. On Thursday, October 25, the liberal organization announced that it had formed a coalition with five other groups to encourage the prohibition of so-called “hate speech” online. SPLC partnered with four George Soros funded organizations: the Center for American Progress, Color of Change, Free Pressand Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, as well as the National Hispanic Media Coalition. The groups called for restricting a wide range of content, video, advertising, fundraising and domain/website services. The restrictions even cover “targeting an individual or group based on their actual or perceived race.” Those activities even limit actions users may take “whether online or offline.” The SPLC has marked conservative organizations, including the Family Research Council, ACT for America, American Family Association, and Alliance Defending Freedom as hate groups. The group has also targeted conservative and classical liberal individuals for hate speech, such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Christina Hoff Sommers. Conservative groups are usually filed under “anti-LGBTQ hate speech” or “anti-Islam hate speech.” The problem with this, of course, is that the SPLC has a very bad habit of labeling mainstream conservative and Christian groups as “hate groups.” And how, exactly, does the SPLC plan on limiting user actions “offline?” An 11-page report states (Emphasis added), “Using the service to engage in hateful activities on the service or to facilitate hateful activities off the service shall be grounds for terminating the service for a user.” In short, it seems the SPLC and the more than 40 groups it says it is partnering with want nothing less than a “Big Brother” society, where everyone is watched 24 hours a day and where doubleplus ungood thoughts and actions are instantly dealt with by the Thought Police. https://conservativefiringline.com/far-left-splc-partners-with-soros-funded-groups-to-ban-hate-speech-limit-actions-whether-online-or-offline/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Related: European Human Rights Court just ruled that it is ILLEGAL to defame Islam’s Prophet Muhammad! https://therightscoop.com/european-human-rights-court-just-ruled-that-it-is-illegal-to-defame-islams-prophet-muhammad/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 once leftists get power, they demand to change everything to enable them to KEEP IT. anything else, is "unfair" big serious trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 30 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: once leftists get power, they demand to change everything to enable them to KEEP IT. anything else, is "unfair" big serious trouble. Speaking of which it was not that long ago the democrats actually spoke out about illegal immigration and securing the border. I think what has changed is that there are now so many millions of illegal immigrants in our country they see a potential block of new voters that will keep them in power. It is all about obtaining power and keeping power at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Speaking of which it was not that long ago the democrats actually spoke out about illegal immigration and securing the border. I think what has changed is that there are now so many millions of illegal immigrants in our country they see a potential block of new voters that will keep them in power. It is all about obtaining power and keeping power at all costs. Very much so - dangerous times, I think. I was wondering if we are so terrific, why are so many of the illegals in the caravan carrying mexican flags? Then I remembered hearing a mexican green card guy talking to his friend, at a steak house in Texas.. and he said "one day, we will own Texas, man. Arizona and California too. In their faces man, New Mexico is going to be Old Mexico again". Wife and I were out to dinner with her brother and her Dad. That was about ten years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12174806/Germany-fines-man-for-blasphemous-car-bumper-stickers.html guess it's not just mohammed huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 29 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12174806/Germany-fines-man-for-blasphemous-car-bumper-stickers.html guess it's not just mohammed huh? Looking at the article it said this was an old law that had been rarely enforced in Germany. What I posted is a new law that affects all of Europe that appears to make only offending the prophet Muhammad a criminal act. What was the offensive act? Basically telling the truth about Muhammad being a pedophile. Muslim texts record the marriage of Muhammad to a 6 year old girl named Aisha. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that is a pedophile but if I say that in Europe that is now illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 16 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Looking at the article it said this was an old law that had been rarely enforced in Germany. What I posted is a new law that affects all of Europe that only makes offending the prophet Muhammad a criminal act. maybe it's an acknowledgement that the vast majority of Christians won't flip out and shoot up a newspaper's HQ over a cartoon. That being said, i'd love to see a newspaper here post explicit cartoons of jesus getting cornholed, just to see and compare the reactions. That's what people never understood about the Charlie Hebdo shooting, mohammed along with other OT figures were depicted graphically having homosexual sex with each other. But people acted like it wsa just silly sunday morning cartoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: maybe it's an acknowledgement that the vast majority of Christians won't flip out and shoot up a newspaper's HQ over a cartoon. That being said, i'd love to see a newspaper here post explicit cartoons of jesus getting cornholed, just to see and compare the reactions. That's what people never understood about the Charlie Hebdo shooting, mohammed along with other OT figures were depicted graphically having homosexual sex with each other. But people acted like it wsa just silly sunday morning cartoons. In the case I posted it was found to be criminal to say Muhammad was a pedophile when the truth is he was a pedophile who married a six year old girl: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muhammad_and_the_Clinical_Definition_of_Pedophilia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 29 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: In the case I posted it was found to be criminal to say Muhammad was a pedophile when the truth is he was a pedophile who married a six year old girl: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muhammad_and_the_Clinical_Definition_of_Pedophilia you really want to get into the old testament and what it says about all sorts of things we find distasteful these days? Speaking of pedo's….isn't VA opening an investigation into the catholic church, for...….oh just guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Just now, Clevfan4life said: you really want to get into the old testament and what it says about all sorts of things we find distasteful these days? Speaking of pedo's….isn't VA opening an investigation into the catholic church, for...….oh just guess. I think there is a problem when speaking the truth is made to be criminal and the truth of Muhammad is he fits the definition of a pedophile. I am an ex Catholic but not anti Catholic (although I really do not like the latest Pope). I left the church because of doctrinal differences but I have good memories of the priests I knew growing up and I hate that many good priests get lumped together with the rotten ones who give them all a bad name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 24 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: you really want to get into the old testament and what it says about all sorts of things we find distasteful these days? Speaking of pedo's….isn't VA opening an investigation into the catholic church, for...….oh just guess. So your comparing some Catholic priests to the prophet of a religion? Thats an apples and oranges comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 cleve - when you nearly always? completely miss a point and change the subject, is it on purpose or you are just a screwed up poster on gibberish? The point is, outlawing criticism of Islam/Mohammed. Do you see ANYTHING about outlawing criticism of Christ? btw, of course there are lurid stories from the OT. That is why there is a NT. But explaining anything to you is just talking to a hostile martian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 you guys aren't looking at it in the right way. It isn't deference to islam, it's the implicit acknowledgement that a lot of muslims are nuts. Europe now has a lot of muslims. For me personally, I understand limiting religious mockery to an extent. Not personal words, but graphical pornographic depictions of religious figures, im ok with outlawing that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 but if we really want to talk about mohammed marrying a 6 yr old......man, that's practically a cougar by OT standards. The Age Of Rebecca When She Married Isaac – Biblical Perspective By Discover The Truth • October 26, 2016 Donate To Discover The Truth Kaleef K. Karim What was the age of Rebecca when she was married off to Isaac? According to Rabbis in medieval history, she was no older than three 3-years-old. The Rabbis deduced this age number for Rebecca, from the Bible itself. A second early source, puts her age at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: but if we really want to talk about mohammed marrying a 6 yr old......man, that's practically a cougar by OT standards. The Age Of Rebecca When She Married Isaac – Biblical Perspective By Discover The Truth • October 26, 2016 Donate To Discover The Truth Kaleef K. Karim What was the age of Rebecca when she was married off to Isaac? According to Rabbis in medieval history, she was no older than three 3-years-old. The Rabbis deduced this age number for Rebecca, from the Bible itself. A second early source, puts her age at 10. Was Rebekah Married At Three?https://www.simplybible.com/f80q-notes-rebekah-age-married-Isaac.htm You can speculate Cleve about Rebecca's age but Muhammad marrying Aisha at age 6 is not speculation: Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: "Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old." Sahih Muslim 8:3310 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Was Rebekah Married At Three?https://www.simplybible.com/f80q-notes-rebekah-age-married-Isaac.htm You can speculate Cleve about Rebecca's age but Muhammad marrying Aisha at age 6 is not speculation: Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: "Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old." Sahih Muslim 8:3310 ther's no speculation dude, these were old testament ngrs. And that's where mohammed drew his religious philosophy from , or have you forgotten that? The OT is the root of all evil in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 22 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: you guys aren't looking at it in the right way. It isn't deference to islam, it's the implicit acknowledgement that a lot of muslims are nuts. Europe now has a lot of muslims. For me personally, I understand limiting religious mockery to an extent. Not personal words, but graphical pornographic depictions of religious figures, im ok with outlawing that. 2 I agree I don't want to see anyone's faith mocked but get real Cleve the favorite whipping boy of faith mocking is Christianity because people know they can do it and get away with it. Islam is not mocked so much because people fear retaliation that they don't fear in mocking Christianity. You can agree or disagree with Muhammad being a pedophile but should it really be criminal if you believe he was and speak out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Just now, OldBrownsFan said: I agree I don't want to see anyone's faith mocked but get real Cleve the favorite whipping boy of faith mocking is Christianity because people know they can do it and get away with it. Islam is not mocked so much because people fear retaliation that they don't fear in mocking Christianity. You can agree or disagree with Muhammad being a pedophile but should it really be criminal if you believe he was and speak out? why is it your business to "speak out" about someone that's been dead for 1800 years? is someone asking you to convert to islam? I can make arguments against mass muslim migration into the U.S based SOLELY on their current behaviors. That's because im a rational, analytical ngr that doesn't need to blow dog whistles about every fukking subject that comes up. Just think sht thorugh once in awhile is all I ask. Cause if you hold it against mooslims that mohammed married a 9 yr old......wellllll, there's a lot then that you open our own society up to because people here also follow the OT. And then ofc we have the church that sodomized young men....there's that. right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 don't need to go back 1800 yrs to have a discussion about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Clevfan4life said: why is it your business to "speak out" about someone that's been dead for 1800 years? is someone asking you to convert to islam? I can make arguments against mass muslim migration into the U.S based SOLELY on their current behaviors. That's because im a rational, analytical ngr that doesn't need to blow dog whistles about every fukking subject that comes up. Just think sht thorugh once in awhile is all I ask. Cause if you hold it against mooslims that mohammed married a 9 yr old......wellllll, there's a lot then that you open our own society up to because people here also follow the OT. And then ofc we have the church that sodomized young men....there's that. right? Why do we have rights at all to speak out about anything? What right do you or anyone else have to make speech criminal just because you don't like it or are offended? You just posted that Isaac was a pedophile should you be charged criminally? think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12174806/Germany-fines-man-for-blasphemous-car-bumper-stickers.html guess it's not just mohammed huh? So you're good with a world where you can't say fu¢k Jesus and Muhammad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Also funny how the left was losing their everfu¢king minds over net neutrality but actual censorship is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said: So you're good with a world where you can't say fu¢k Jesus and Muhammad? no I pretty clearly stated that the cartoons like what Charlie hebo were making, im alright with those being outlawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 26 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Why do we have rights at all to speak out about anything? What right do you or anyone else have to make speech criminal just because you don't like it or are offended? You just posted that Isaac was a pedophile should you be charged criminally? think about it. we're not talking about conversations between people obf, im talking about making public statements on sht that has nothing to do with you. While you may technically have the right, what fukking business is it of yours unless you're being asked to adhere to mohammeds teachings. If that's not the case, than stfu. If you say in a conversation with someone else, yeah that's ur biz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: no I pretty clearly stated that the cartoons like what Charlie hebo were making, im alright with those being outlawed. Fu¢k that. I'd sooner outlaw religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said: Fu¢k that. I'd sooner outlaw religion. so u like cartoonish depictions of men having anal sex? I mean ok. Tha'ts fine. It's 2018 it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 35 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: we're not talking about conversations between people obf, im talking about making public statements on sht that has nothing to do with you. While you may technically have the right, what fukking business is it of yours unless you're being asked to adhere to mohammeds teachings. If that's not the case, than stfu. If you say in a conversation with someone else, yeah that's ur biz One of the few times I ever agreed with liberals was on free speech. Their answer for offensive speech was not to censor it but counter it with more speech. They also used to fight for offensive speech correctly seeing any censorship as a slippery slope. Their motto was always"I may not like or agree with what you are saying but I will fight for your right to say it". It is sad to see so many liberals stray away from that today and endorse censorship. They had the correct answer all along which is the answer to speech you find offensive is more speech not less, not trying to shut down speech you don't like or agree with but countering it with more speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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