stillmotion Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 I hate to say this, but he looks really bad the way he acted. Worse then possibly ever before. I think I have him figured out. Here are my takeaways from the presser. - Hue did his usual "we need to get better, we need to close games, i came here to win schtick - He said they needed to fix the discipline and penalties, but have they really improved at that since he started? - He defended Gerbil, which is alright but then just full-out aggressively attacked Haley. One could even say He coddled Gerbil, saying that it wasn't his fault and he would do better next time. Do you think Bill B would do that? Or would Bill B put someone else in there to return kicks next game? - Hue defended all of his calls and arrogantly said they were the right moves, included going for it on 4th (which was possibly something Haley didn't want to do). Hue wants Haley to be a coffee fetcher, and a yes man, but who knows how much influence Hue has on the offense already? - Hue will clearly be try to get Todd fired, blaming him to Dorsey and Jimmy. Maybe the offense doing so bad is Todd's fault, but maybe it also has to do with Hue. Remember Josh Gordon said, "Just about all of the plays are the same and I know them" when we saw them on T.V. Hue clearly wants to be the offensive coordinator too because he believes he can do a better job. Can he? Maybe, but I would never treat anyone who worked with me, Like they worked only for me. - The whole "ITS MY TEAM, IM THE COACH, ITS ALL MINE" talk at the end of the presser was like a four year old was talking on the playground. Either Dorsey will A ) Do whatever Hue says, because he's right, and obviously if he listens to them, the Browns will win, as Hue says, or B ) Side with Haley, and realize that Hue has made questionable decisions and is trying to control too much, and agree that Hue and Haley need to coexist. - Final question is, will Hue and Haley co-exist? Can they co-exist after Hue's lashing of Haley and calling out that he wants him to pretty much be a coffee fetcher and call the plays himself. Hue calling plays was awful, maybe just as awful as Haley has been, so if we give him that back will it suddenly change us and make us win in these close situations? If I'm Haley, I do NOT want to work with a guy like Hue, who completely blames ME and the Offense, but excuses all of the other things, such as Baker making mistakes, the line sucking, Gerbil's fumble. That is NOT something a man who takes responsibility does. He needs to work WITH Todd to fix this, not tell him "DO AS I SAY OR ELSE". Such CHILDISH behavior. * Note - I am NOT saying fire Hue now. Obviously let him ride out for the rest of the season. But If I'm Dorsey and Hue says "He's gotta go, It's either me calling plays or him", then I'm going to be like, Hue, I'm in charge of the team, and you do what I say now. Either work together to win and take responsibility, or leave. Lastly - Hue coddles the players and doesn't blame them for anything so they're on his side. In turn, they have no responsibility because he'll just brush them off. ALA Corey Coleman sitting out practices, buying shoes, and not trying. Both Haley and Gregg call this out, and Hue screams "ITS MY TEAM, IM IN CHARGE" during Hard Knocks. They witness how lazy and undisciplined the players are. When the Sashi fiasco happened, Hue obviously went to Jimmy, and got the backing of all the players because he coddled them, like what's happening now. Hopefully Dorsey can see right through this and we don't have to go through the 2019 season with Hue. Because I can't deal with this Sheet another year after this childish passive-aggressive behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 Can Hue now and end the charade already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 The guy needs to be Sheet canned, asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 I'm looking for a link to confirm this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, nickers said: I'm looking for a link to confirm this It's like I just lost a tooth and I'm closing my eyes with it tucked neatly under my pillow...... can't wait to wake up and see what the Fairy left me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 25 minutes ago, nickers said: I'm looking for a link to confirm this We can only hope this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, Browns149 said: We can only hope this is true. That guy, I'm almost positive made that up. He has absolutely no source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Brilliant !!!!!!!!!! Who would be????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 The game is up now, everyone sees it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Hue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 53 minutes ago, nickers said: I'm looking for a link to confirm this I think he had to hitchhike back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Wait until you find out Hue was calling the offense in the second half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Sounds to me that hue is going to force out Haley and try to reclaim the O. Wow! What a disciplined team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, flyingfooldoug said: Sounds to me that hue is going to force out Haley and try to reclaim the O. Wow! What a disciplined team. Definitely sounds that way in my opinion too, especially after re-watching his presser from today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, stillmotion said: Definitely sounds that way in my opinion too, especially after re-watching his presser from today. He wasn’t real popular in stoolcity and I couldn’t understand why we signed him. Then it dawned on me........Hue’s an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, flyingfooldoug said: He wasn’t real popular in stoolcity and I couldn’t understand why we signed him. Then it dawned on me........Hue’s an idiot Hue praised Amos Jones' special teams today too. It becomes quite obvious, hue hired todd to be the "fall guy" so he could blame him and finish out the season. Next Fall guy is either Amos or Greg Williams. But Dorsey is on to his BS, and sees it light as day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, stillmotion said: Hue praised Amos Jones' special teams today too. It becomes quite obvious, hue hired todd to be the "fall guy" so he could blame him and finish out the season. Next Fall guy is either Amos or Greg Williams. But Dorsey is on to his BS, and sees it light as day. It took the GM to show him how to get Chubb more carries. Hue was really scratching his head on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, stillmotion said: It becomes quite obvious, hue hired todd to be the "fall guy" so he could blame him and finish out the season. Could you elaborate on this stillmotion? I don't quite understand what you mean by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, flyingfooldoug said: It took the GM to show him how to get Chubb more carries. Hue was really scratching his head on that one. #Browns Hue Jackson says he needs to get the offensive issues figure out: "I need to be a little bit more involved. I think I have every right here as the head coach to get it figured out." 100% to me that means he wants power over playcalling again, which i'd argue is even worse than Todd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, flyingfooldoug said: It took the GM to show him how to get Chubb more carries. Hue was really scratching his head on that one. I’ve heard this about the Hyde trade a lot and I just don’t see it. If Dorsey was dead set Inc getting Chubb more time he could have forced the issue without trading Hyde. Just my opinion. Then again maybe I’m full of sh!t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, stillmotion said: #Browns Hue Jackson says he needs to get the offensive issues figure out: "I need to be a little bit more involved. I think I have every right here as the head coach to get it figured out." 100% to me that means he wants power over playcalling again, which i'd argue is even worse than Todd. That line alone tells me the end is near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Dutch Oven said: Could you elaborate on this stillmotion? I don't quite understand what you mean by this. I mean it's possible Hue was forced into hiring Haley since his offense wasn't doing too well by Dorsey and the rest of management. Now i think it's possible he's blaming Haley to get more power over playcalling, or to even get playcalling abilities back for himself since he's the "captain of the ship" as he would phrase it. If Hue blames Todd, and management believes he's correct, he could very well buy himself more time, even another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 How many times did he say that he’s the head coach? Something he just figured out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, jcam222 said: I’ve heard this about the Hyde trade a lot and I just don’t see it. If Dorsey was dead set Inc getting Chubb more time he could have forced the issue without trading Hyde. Just my opinion. Then again maybe I’m full of sh!t. I don't know, I really like the comp people have made to the movie 'Moneyball'. In the movie, GM Billy Beane wants Player A to play firstbase. The manager wanted Player B to play firstbase. GM then trades away Player B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, stillmotion said: I mean it's possible Hue was forced into hiring Haley since his offense wasn't doing too well by Dorsey and the rest of management. Now i think it's possible he's blaming Haley to get more power over playcalling, or to even get playcalling abilities back for himself since he's the "captain of the ship" as he would phrase it. If Hue blames Todd, and management believes he's correct, he could very well buy himself more time, even another year. Everyone said he needed an OC because it was too much for him. Now it’s not? I think the guy is smoking crack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 I think we all knew Haley and Hue couldn’t coexist. It just a matter of when and which one is fired. Say what you will about Hue but imo Haley’s play calling sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikingDawg Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Ahahahha man like clockwork Huey is throwing yet another person under the bus. It isn't Haley, or Dorsey or anyone else that is the problem.... HUE is the g'damn biggest problem with this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, flyingfooldoug said: Everyone said he needed an OC because it was too much for him. Now it’s not? I think the guy is smoking crack It's important to note that Hue was 1-31 for us as OC. Todd has already helped win two games this year alone for us. Maybe Todd does suck (I'm not sure we have large enough of a sample size yet), but during Hue's OC hiatus, he struggled immensely, and his time management was always questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, jcam222 said: I think we all knew Haley and Hue couldn’t coexist. It just a matter of when and which one is fired. Say what you will about Hue but imo Haley’s play calling sucks. Took me all of one 'Hard Knocks' episodes to see that this wasn't going to work, at all. Hue got the offense taken from him and had Haley forced on him. You could tell quickly that Haley had zero respect for Hue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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