hammertime Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 20 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said: Let's make a distinction between legal and illegal immigration...you left that out. Most people don't see legal immigration as a problem but I don't think you speak for most people when you say that most people don't see illegal immigration as a problem. This. Illegal immigration is a huge drain on our country. At least pretend you love America if your coming into USA that helps your cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 20 hours ago, cccjwh said: No, almost no one wants that. Sorry the Fox News made up left doesn't exist. Most people don't see immigration as a major problem. The one that do get that idea from CIS, which has been pushing about anti-immigrant garbage for years. But CJ needs someone to blames everyone's problems on, so here we are. I see this particular little ephitat all the time "the fox-news blah blah" I have yet to see any evidence of Fox news being less credible than CNN or BBC or the new Yorker. You can get a nice little overview of media bias here https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 Caravan migrants FILE LAWSUIT against Trump for denying their constitutional rights!!?! https://therightscoop.com/caravan-migrants-file-lawsuit-against-trump-for-denying-their-constitutional-rights/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, OldBrownsFan said: Caravan migrants FILE LAWSUIT against Trump for denying their constitutional rights!!?! https://therightscoop.com/caravan-migrants-file-lawsuit-against-trump-for-denying-their-constitutional-rights/ They're outside the USA and not citizens, and what stupid lawyer would even take such a case. It will be thrown out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: They're outside the USA and not citizens, and what stupid lawyer would even take such a case. It will be thrown out. They already have lawyers who have filed the case: "It was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia in a joint effort by three separate U.S. firms: McFadden & Shoreman in Washington, D.C., Nexus Derechos Humanos Attorneys in Atlanta, and Williams Oinonen LLC in Atlanta." I think it will and should get thrown out of court but I would not be surprised to see a crazy lower court initially rule in favor of the suit but then lose on appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/11/01/myth-vs-fact-caravan I assure you this isn't a source from a hate group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JAFBF Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 12 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Oh I bet you have the inside track. That twittersphere is 100% locked on right now. Maybe toss in some 4chan. Tell me, how did that Marine incursion go by the way? Been dying to hear about it. All it takes is a little digging. MSM is just lying, which becomes more evident each day. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/11/01/grassley-wants-info-on-they-security-threat-of-the-caravan-n2534040 Legit Twitter ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Formed all by itself . . . https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2018/10/elaborately-planned-caravan-brings-human-traffickers-violent-gangbangers-to-guatemala/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/11/02/oklahoma-senator-targets-illegal-immigrant-welfare-tax-credits-to-fund-border-wall welfare ...illegals.... https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/welfare_spending In FY 2018 total US government spending on welfare — federal, state, and local — was “guesstimated” to be $1,091 billion, including $642 billion for Medicaid, and $449 billion in other welfare. https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers Total Governmental Expenditures on Illegal Aliens Total Tax Contributions by Illegal Aliens Total Economic Impact of Illegal Immigration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty". [1][2] History Cloward and Piven were both professors at the Columbia University School of Social Work. The strategy was outlined in a May 1966 article in the liberal magazine The Nation titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty".[1][2] The two stated that many Americans who were eligible for welfare were not receiving benefits, and that a welfare enrollment drive would strain local budgets, precipitating a crisis at the state and local levels that would be a wake-up call for the federal government, particularly the Democratic Party. There would also be side consequences of this strategy, according to Cloward and Piven. These would include: easing the plight of the poor in the short-term (through their participation in the welfare system); shoring up support for the national Democratic Party-then splintered by pluralistic interests (through its cultivation of poor and minority constituencies by implementing a national "solution" to poverty); and relieving local governments of the financially and politically onerous burdens of public welfare (through a national "solution" to poverty).[2] Strategy Cloward and Piven's article is focused on forcing the Democratic Party, which in 1966 controlled the presidency and both houses of the United States Congress, to take federal action to help the poor. They stated that full enrollment of those eligible for welfare "would produce bureaucratic disruption in welfare agencies and fiscal disruption in local and state governments" that would: "...deepen existing divisions among elements in the big-city Democratic coalition: the remaining white middle class, the working-class ethnic groups and the growing minority poor. To avoid a further weakening of that historic coalition, a national Democratic administration would be constrained to advance a federal solution to poverty that would override local welfare failures, local class and racial conflicts and local revenue dilemmas."[3] They further wrote: “ The ultimate objective of this strategy—to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income—will be questioned by some. Because the ideal of individual social and economic mobility has deep roots, even activists seem reluctant to call for national programs to eliminate poverty by the outright redistribution of income.[3] ” Michael Reisch and Janice Andrews wrote that Cloward and Piven "proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system – by exploiting the gap between welfare law and practice – that would ultimately bring about its collapse and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income. They hoped to accomplish this end by informing the poor of their rights to welfare assistance, encouraging them to apply for benefits and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy."[4] Focus on Democrats The authors pinned their hopes on creating disruption within the Democratic Party: "Conservative Republicans are always ready to declaim the evils of public welfare, and they would probably be the first to raise a hue and cry. But deeper and politically more telling conflicts would take place within the Democratic coalition...Whites – both working class ethnic groups and many in the middle class – would be aroused against the ghetto poor, while liberal groups, which until recently have been comforted by the notion that the poor are few... would probably support the movement. Group conflict, spelling political crisis for the local party apparatus, would thus become acute as welfare rolls mounted and the strains on local budgets became more severe.”[5] Reception and criticism Howard Phillips, chairman of The Conservative Caucus, was quoted in 1982 as saying that the strategy could be effective because "Great Society programs had created a vast army of full-time liberal activists whose salaries are paid from the taxes of conservative working people."[6] Liberal commentator Michael Tomasky, writing about the strategy in the 1990s and again in 2011, called it "wrongheaded and self-defeating", writing: "It apparently didn't occur to [Cloward and Piven] that the system would just regard rabble-rousing black people as a phenomenon to be ignored or quashed."[7] Impact of the strategy In papers published in 1971 and 1977, Cloward and Piven argued that mass unrest in the United States, especially between 1964 and 1969, did lead to a massive expansion of welfare rolls, though not to the guaranteed-income program that they had hoped for.[8] Political scientist Robert Albritton disagreed, writing in 1979 that the data did not support this thesis; he offered an alternative explanation for the rise in welfare caseloads. In his 2006 book Winning the Race, political commentator John McWhorter attributed the rise in the welfare state after the 1960s to the Cloward–Piven strategy, but wrote about it negatively, stating that the strategy "created generations of black people for whom working for a living is an abstraction".[9] According to historian Robert E. Weir in 2007: "Although the strategy helped to boost recipient numbers between 1966 and 1975, the revolution its proponents envisioned never transpired."[10] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-has-become-the-party-of-fake-news-and-paranoid-fantasies/2018/11/01/0f45ba88-de13-11e8-85df-7a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?utm_campaign=d2987d578c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_11_02_06_56&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Fareed's Global Briefing&utm_term=.ff813392c9ee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-has-become-the-party-of-fake-news-and-paranoid-fantasies/2018/11/01/0f45ba88-de13-11e8-85df-7a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?utm_campaign=d2987d578c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_11_02_06_56&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Fareed's Global Briefing&utm_term=.ff813392c9ee Paranoid?...Fake News? Tell me Tex, how’s that Russia/Trump collusion thingy coming along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-has-become-the-party-of-fake-news-and-paranoid-fantasies/2018/11/01/0f45ba88-de13-11e8-85df-7a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?utm_campaign=d2987d578c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_11_02_06_56&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Fareed's Global Briefing&utm_term=.ff813392c9ee Fareed is a liberal hack. And he works for the Clinton News Network. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Interesting: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/31/alfonso-navarrete-conspiracy-behind-caravans/?fbclid=IwAR1UnzU8GDmYRpZVH11cLQLrzqYcZ90TaTk-wBKsp3VNwmBtk_xfhTLNYDY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 26 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: Interesting: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/31/alfonso-navarrete-conspiracy-behind-caravans/?fbclid=IwAR1UnzU8GDmYRpZVH11cLQLrzqYcZ90TaTk-wBKsp3VNwmBtk_xfhTLNYDY The timing of this seems suspicious and my guess is those who organized this immigrant invasion were hoping it would be embarrassing for the Trump administration and have a negative effect on the midterm elections. Thus far I think it has backfired and many people are rallying behind Trump's hard line stance against allowing the country to be illegally invaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 45 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-has-become-the-party-of-fake-news-and-paranoid-fantasies/2018/11/01/0f45ba88-de13-11e8-85df-7a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?utm_campaign=d2987d578c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_11_02_06_56&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Fareed's Global Briefing&utm_term=.ff813392c9ee This is exactly what we've seen on this board for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 1 minute ago, MLD Woody said: This is exactly what we've seen on this board for years. The brainwashed just stay that way by keeping up with what der Fuhrer tells them to think and do. Lies are the new "alternative" reality of the Trumpreich. Some may as well go back to the speeches of the 30's, which is the blueprint being used. Just substitute middle easterners for Jews. Gets the crowd all worked up over nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 40 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: The brainwashed just stay that way by keeping up with what der Fuhrer tells them to think and do. Lies are the new "alternative" reality of the Trumpreich. Some may as well go back to the speeches of the 30's, which is the blueprint being used. Just substitute middle easterners for Jews. Gets the crowd all worked up over nothing at all. Of course comparing Jews to the illegal aliens from third world shittholes is a comparison only a moron would make. Anyone besides the board anti-semites will admit that they are among the best educated and most successful and most law-abiding minorities in America, or around the world actually. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Funny how the left wants to compare Trump to Hitler when the nation of Israel says they have never had a better friend in the White House than Trump....Trump had the guts to move our embassy to Jerusalem (the capital of Israel) something our weasel politicians voted to do in the 1990's but were afraid to actually do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 23 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said: Funny how the left wants to compare Trump to Hitler when the nation of Israel says they have never had a better friend in the White House than Trump....Trump had the guts to move our embassy to Jerusalem (the capital of Israel) something our weasel politicians voted to do in the 1990's but were afraid to actually do. and, obaMao was in a racist - black liberation - very anti-Semite church for 20 yrs. but he never KNEW he was in it. Even though the sicko pastor was godfather to their kids... liberals love emotional farces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 Their coming right up until midnight Tuesday. Hide the womenfolk!😲 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 So this is just scaring people that were already voting Republican anyway.... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 I don't think anyone is scared. Just pissed that these scum think they can just waltz into our country because they feel like it. Capeesh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 It is 100% just a scare tactic for people to vote Republican (that I am sure Dem's are trying to swing back to be pro them as well). It is a TV drama issue to influence stupid people. A lot of those people are already rock solid in their part allegiance though (both sides). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 On 11/3/2018 at 7:44 AM, calfoxwc said: https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/11/02/oklahoma-senator-targets-illegal-immigrant-welfare-tax-credits-to-fund-border-wall welfare ...illegals.... https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/welfare_spending In FY 2018 total US government spending on welfare — federal, state, and local — was “guesstimated” to be $1,091 billion, including $642 billion for Medicaid, and $449 billion in other welfare. https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers What a hate group is saying immigrants cost us a bunch of money. This hate group was also fonded by John Tanton. You know the guy that believes in eugenics. Jesus sources mean nothing to you guys. You just pick whatever matches your opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 36 minutes ago, cccjwh said: What a hate group is saying immigrants cost us a bunch of money. Well why don’t you enlighten us, and tell us what these people bring to the picnic? How many doctors and engineers do you think are in this group? BTW, what gives them the right to just show up at the border, and expect the U.S. to roll out the red carpet? What are we supposed to tell the “legal immigrants” that patiently waited for legal entry?...”Sorry, but these guys walked a long way”! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 18 hours ago, Canton Dawg said: Well why don’t you enlighten us, and tell us what these people bring to the picnic? How many doctors and engineers do you think are in this group? BTW, what gives them the right to just show up at the border, and expect the U.S. to roll out the red carpet? No, they get process like the past 100 caravans. What are we supposed to tell the “legal immigrants” that patiently waited for legal entry?...”Sorry, but these guys walked a long way”! They aren't connected. The loops legal immigrants have to jump through are mutually exclusion. In case you haven't notice yet. I haven't given my opinion one way or the other. I hate people spreading cowpoop and I call it out. Fake news spreads because people don't bother checking the actual facts. If Coke did a study about the effects of soda and people. Would you trust the results? People here see studies from CIS that show migrants as a "bad" and no one here cares that CIS whole purpose is to slow and stop immigration. So if anyone posts a bias garbage source and I will just make fun of them. When you don't fact check your sources you are telling everyone else you don't care what is true. What are we supposed to tell the “legal immigrants” that patiently waited for legal entry?...”Sorry, but these guys walked a long way”! They aren't connected. The illegals aren't keeping the legals out. BTW, what gives them the right to just show up at the border, and expect the U.S. to roll out the red carpet? No, they get process like the past 100 caravans. These caravans aren't anything new. CJ is just using them to outrage his base. People figured out it safer to travel in groups, social media make it easier to organize, so we get caravans now. If righty wasn't so shortsighted they might want to deal with the problem itself, not the symptoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, cccjwh said: In case you haven't notice yet. I haven't given my opinion one way or the other. I hate people spreading cowpoop and I call it out. Fake news spreads because people don't bother checking the actual facts. If Coke did a study about the effects of soda and people. Would you trust the results? People here see studies from CIS that show migrants as a "bad" and no one here cares that CIS whole purpose is to slow and stop immigration. So if anyone posts a bias garbage source and I will just make fun of them. When you don't fact check your sources you are telling everyone else you don't care what is true. What are we supposed to tell the “legal immigrants” that patiently waited for legal entry?...”Sorry, but these guys walked a long way”! They aren't connected. The illegals aren't keeping the legals out. BTW, what gives them the right to just show up at the border, and expect the U.S. to roll out the red carpet? No, they get process like the past 100 caravans. These caravans aren't anything new. CJ is just using them to outrage his base. People figured out it safer to travel in groups, social media make it easier to organize, so we get caravans now. If righty wasn't so shortsighted they might want to deal with the problem itself, not the symptoms. You forgot to mention that you were called out for using the liberally biased Southern Poverty Law Center as your source as the arbitrator who decides what is a hate group. Hate, Inc.: The SPLC Is a Hyper-Partisan Scam https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/southern-poverty-law-center-bias-hate-group-labels-scam/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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