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seems that socialists have their emotions stroked when they dream of utopia - so socialism is their "greener grass on the other side of the fence"

they won't admit they were ignorant until they plop into a cowpie on the other side of the fence.

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you should all just get used to the fact that the vast majority of young people are leaning toward some form of socialism. It's not old school USSR communism...that will never happen here. But the younger generations aren't falling for the myth of unfettered capitalism anymore.....the results are obvious and infront of our eyes. These kids grew up seeing what our unfettered market did to our culture, families etc, etc. ...They're done with it. 

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26 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

you should all just get used to the fact that the vast majority of young people are leaning toward some form of socialism. It's not old school USSR communism...that will never happen here. But the younger generations aren't falling for the myth of unfettered capitalism anymore.....the results are obvious and infront of our eyes. These kids grew up seeing what our unfettered market did to our culture, families etc, etc. ...They're done with it. 

Socialism has failed wherever it has been tried. Some point to some Scandanavian countries as places where socialism works but those countries are capitalist with a welfare state. Capitalism while not perfect produces the highest standard of living for it's citizens.

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/

Capitalism’s Triumph

https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/09/capitalisms-triumph-michael-tanner/

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25 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

you should all just get used to the fact that the vast majority of young people are leaning toward some form of socialism. It's not old school USSR communism...that will never happen here. But the younger generations aren't falling for the myth of unfettered capitalism anymore.....the results are obvious and infront of our eyes. These kids grew up seeing what our unfettered market did to our culture, families etc, etc. ...They're done with it. 

So how do you suppose these kids want to fetter the market?  Have the government regulate prices and tax the rich to oblivion?  I'm sure that will work out great.  

I don't think kids understand what economic collapse looks like.  Their version of suffering is not having enough money for the latest iphone.

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1 minute ago, OldBrownsFan said:

Socialism has failed wherever it has been tried. Some point to some Scandanavian countries as places where socialism works but those countries are capitalist with a welfare state. 

which is exactly the kind of hybrid system that democratic socialists want to install here. How do you not get that? Im not making an argument for or against democratic socialism, it's a nuanced issue with profound amts of variables that no one here can even begin to wrap their heads around. Those Scandinavian countries are filled with different people. You may not like this statement im about to make, but it's 100% dead on the money...……..people in the U.S are just by and large greedy, self absorbed twats that give no fuks about each other. Scandinavian people are just a different cut of people. They're not materialistic shitkunts who's main interests are self indulgence. Whether you want to admit that's what we are or not is on you....but it's who we are, period end of discussion. So can the Scandinavian models work here? I dunno, but im betting we're gonna find out soon cause it's coming. 

I honestly have no idea if a system that relies on people giving 1/2 of a real fuk about each other can work here. Too many people are invested in companies/business's that wouldn't be allowed in Scandinavia to operate as they do here. People here don't give a fuk if some company whose product they use or whose stock they own, is shtting up something somewhere for another group of people. As long as sht isn't being dumped in THEIR backyards or bullsht products being fed to THEIR children...americans don't care. 

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5 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Only a totally ignorant person would think that Socialism is good.

and only a totally ignorant person would think unfettered capitalism is any good either. There's a reason cancer and heart disease takes so many of us down and it has nothing to do with Bernard sanders. 

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Sweden: From Crippling Poverty to Unheralded Prosperity Through Laissez-Faire Capitalism

Some 250 years ago, the area we recognize now as “Sweden” was a frozen tundra inhabited by a huddled mass of starving peasants. Their lives were tightly controlled by a series of kings, aristocrats, and other men of artificially high esteem. As award-winning author, Johan Norberg points out in this excellent piece on Sweden, it took a series of classically-liberal minded revolutionaries to wrestle control from the elites and put Sweden on a path to prosperity.

Licensing czars, an oppressive guild system, and a litany of other onerous regulations on free exchange were dramatically reduced or eliminated. In the century from 1850–1950, the population doubled and real Swedish incomes multiplied nearly tenfold. Despite the almost non-existence of a welfare state or any major state control of economic sectors, by 1950 Sweden was the fourth richest nation in the world. Sweden’s extraordinary growth during that century rivaled even that of the United States (Sweden was not a participant in the two World Wars). As a matter of fact, capital formation and wealth creation proved so abundant in Sweden during the global depression of the 1930s that even social democrats in the legislature practiced a form of salutary neglect to ensure the prosperity would continue. As with any other country, Sweden’s impressive capital stock was built by entrepreneurs operating in a free market system.

Sweden’s Experiment with “Nordic Socialism” is Relatively New and Has Been Disastrous for Growth

Big business looking for government protection worked alongside ambitious politicians and union leaders to force Sweden into adopting socialist policies in the decades following its impressive growth. Over time, government spending more than doubled and taxes in certain sectors were doubled or even tripled. Despite these calamitous changes, by 1970, the OECD still ranked Sweden as the fourth richest nation in the world. However, by 2000 Sweden sank to number fourteen. Dr. Per Bylund from Oklahoma State University haspreviously pointed out that from 1950–2005, Sweden did not add one net private sector job. Nordic Socialism has frozen a once entrepreneurial and prosperous people in time. With few exceptions, Sweden’s large businesses have very little incentive to innovate (and they have not), and many enterprises now survive purely on government contracts whose value is impossible to ascertain without a system of free exchange to establish prices for goods and services.

Sweden has managed to live comfortably for decades despite its many heavy-handed socialist policies only because so much capital stock was created in the decades prior (not to mention a sane monetary policy). Yet this capital consumption is eroding Sweden’s wealth. In 2007, Professor Mark J. Perry from George Mason University pointed out that if Sweden were to be admitted as a 51st state to the Union, it would be the poorest state in terms of unemployment and median household income. Yes, even poorer than Mississippi. In fact Sweden’s current welfare state suppresses household incomes so effectively for Swedes that a 2012 IEA studyfound that American Swedes have roughly the same unemployment rate as Swedes in Sweden yet earn, on average, 53 percent more annually.

In recent years, Swedish lawmakers have begun slowly privatizing chunks of their socialized sectors such as healthcare, social security, and education. Last year, Reason magazine pointed out that private health insurance has exploded in a country where cancer patients may wait up to a year for treatment in the state-run system. This trend has grown. Sweden, furthermore, has begun outsourcing education to private providers and seen not only a reduction of costs but an increase in parent satisfaction and learning outcomes for graduates.

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cool story, here's the facts....

10. Germany

 
Hamburg, Germany.
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Hamburg, Germany.

Also in the top 10 best countries for: most modern, entrepreneurship, power, most forward-looking, headquartering a corporation, most influential, transparency, green living, education, women, best countries overall.

9. New Zealand

 
New Zealand, Auckland, Waitakere Harbour, Elevated View over Devenport towards CBD with Sky Tower at dawn
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New Zealand, Auckland, Waitakere Harbour, Elevated View over Devenport towards CBD with Sky Tower at dawn

Also in the top 10 best countries for: retirement, traveling alone, adventure, raising kids, most modern.

8. Netherlands

 
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Amsterdam, The Netherlands

Also in the top 10 best countries for: most business-friendly, most modern, entrepreneurship, headquartering a corporation, raising kids, travel alone, most transparent countries, green living, women, best countries overall.

7. Finland

 
Helsinki, Finland
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Helsinki, Finland

Also in the top 10 best countries for: green living, raising kids, transparency, women, most business-friendly, most modern.

6. Switzerland

 
Zurich, Switzerland
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Zurich, Switzerland

Also in the top 10 best countries for: most business-friendly, cultural influence, most modern, entrepreneurship, starting a business, most forward-looking countries, headquartering a corporation, raising kids, transparency, green living, education, retiring comfortably, women, best countries overall.

5. Australia

 
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Adam Jeffery | CNBC

Also in the top 10 best countries for: cultural influence, most modern, most-forward looking, headquartering a corporation, raising kids, traveling alone, green living, investing in, education, retiring comfortably, women, best countries overall.

4. Norway

 
Nidelva river and Solsiden area in Trondheim, Norway
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Nidelva river and Solsiden area in Trondheim, Norway

Also in the top 10 best countries for: most business-friendly, entrepreneurship, most modern, transparency, raising kids, women, green living.

3. Sweden

 
The Aurora Borealis captured in a clearing in a Swedish coniferous forest.
The Aurora Borealis captured in a clearing in a Swedish coniferous forest.

Also in the top 10 best countries for: most business-friendly, cultural influence, most modern, entrepreneurship, retiring comfortably, headquartering a corporation, raising kids, transparency, green living, education, women, best countries overall.

2. Denmark

 
Copenhagen, Denmark
Merten Snijders | Getty Images
Copenhagen, Denmark

Also in the top 10 best countries for: education, raising kids, women, most modern, most business-friendly, headquartering a corporation, transparency, green living.

1. Canada

 
Quebec City, Quebec, Canada.

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"dominated" by the Scandinavian countries. It's not surprising they're also a "major" tourist destination. They're beautiful. Their people have collectively insured that companies don't sht up their country. 

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You're  comparing some countries that have the population of NYC.  This country is much too large and populated to deal with a Sweden or Switzerland type government.

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1 minute ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

You're  comparing some countries that have the population of NYC.  This country is much too large and populated to deal with a Sweden or Switzerland type government.

I might agree with that actually. For reasons I already mentioned. But some of it we can emulate. That's the tricky part, what do you take from them and what do we realize just won't work here. 

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2 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

essentially what democratic socialists are. If Bernie just dialed back to the middle a kunt hair or two....i'd be pretty much onboard with him. He's not a commie. And actually when he was an independent, he was pro gun. He's had to abandon that to cowtow to the DNC platform....but if he went back to his roots.....

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nobody in the u.s on the left wants Cuban or Venezuelen style socialism. Nobody. What democrats say tho is that it's cuba's and Venezuela's business, not ours. Let's trade with them and help them transition to a more managed capitalist system....like Vietnam has. 

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47 minutes ago, htownbrown said:

They're actually returning to a free market again.

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they never were commies dude, what are u not getting? Go research them urself instead spoon feeding urself false narratives spewed by places with an agenda. 

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Personal income is taxed at a rate of 61.85 percent, plus a 7 percent social security tax rate for employees. On top of these taxes, Sweden also has a 25 percent consumption tax. For these sacrifices of financial freedom, this is what Sweden offers their citizens in benefits:

  • Pension
  • Health care
  • Unemployment Insurance
  • Education through Ph.D. Level
  • Child Day Care
  • Very generous leaves of absence from work with benefits including: education up to 6 months, starting your own company up to 6 months off, parental leave up to 16 months with 80 percent of your pay during time off
  • 16 public holidays (10 of these holidays are Christian-based, even though just five percent of the population are regular church attendees).

 

 

 

 

holy sheet, they're def not capitalists. Thats a bit left fir me. Good lord 61% tax rate on everyone? omg

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and a 25% consumption tax? dude, that took me 20s to find....y'all need to stop this lazy a_ss fgtry. Read something ngrs. 

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5 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

they never were commies dude, what are u not getting? Go research them urself instead spoon feeding urself false narratives spewed by places with an agenda. 

Who said they were communist?

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Just now, htownbrown said:

Who said they were communist?

when u say "return to a free market" ur implying the opposite of a free market which is.........???

anywat, heres an overview of the nordic model....

The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3]refers to the economic and social policiescommon to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, the Faroe Islandsand Sweden). This includes a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level with a high percentage of the workforce unionized, while being based on the economic foundations of free market capitalism.[4][5][6] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[7][8]

Although there are significant differences among the Nordic countries, they all share some common traits. These include support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatistsystem involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government;[9] and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets,[10] and free trade.[11]

Each of the Nordic countries has its own economic and social models, sometimes with large differences from its neighbours.[12]According to sociologist Lane Kenworthy, in the context of the Nordic model "social democracy" refers to a set of policies for promoting economic security and opportunity within the framework of capitalism rather than a replacement for capitalism.[13]

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but u cant hit people up at 61% on personal income then another 25% sales/consumption tax. Good lord, i really hope that 61% at least is for the ultra rich ngrs and not normal people. But even with the super rich 61% is too fukking much. U cant take over half a niggas sht....no uh uh

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if i was a multi millionaire i could deal with something in the low 40's....high 30's if im proving im reinvesting my moonehs in the american economy

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13 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

and a 25% consumption tax? dude, that took me 20s to find....y'all need to stop this lazy a_ss fgtry. Read something ngrs. 

I read this.

Sanandaji thinks that a much better explanation for the economic success of Scandinavia is culture. If you look at the years in which these countries built the wealth their citizens now enjoy, it was long before leftist ideas took hold. For instance, from 1870 through 1936, Sweden was the fastest growing economy in the world. But after 1975—when the Swedish state began to expand in earnest—Sweden’s economy noticeably slowed, falling from the 4th richest in the world to the 13th by the mid 1990s. 

And Nordic voters are starting to take notice. Scandanavian governments have been paring down the size of their governments. Since the 1990s, the total taxation of the Swedish economy as a percentage of GDP has fallen more than 5%, while labor market reforms, such as Denmark’s cutting of unemployment benefits have helped Scandanavian economies rocket up measures of economic freedom. Don’t tell Bernie Sanders, but as Sanadaji puts it, Scandanavia is slowly “returning to its free market roots.”

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i beleive that 61% tax rate was as of 2018......are u telling me it was higher than that in recent years? so a drop 61% is "returning to a free market"? 😅

anything over 40% for "normal people" is utterly cravenly bat sht crazy. 

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