OldBrownsFan Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 https://townhall.com/columnists/scottmorefield/2018/10/08/what-does-the-bible-say-about-false-accusers-and-believewomen-n2526380 The brave new world of the left where an accusation with no corroboration is enough to destroy any man. Women are to be believed always. It is up to the accused to prove their innocence instead of the accuser. There is no presumption of innocence for the accused. This is the stuff of the Salem witch hunts, the Spanish Inquisition and communist countries. If you dare don't go along with the mob the Soros paid mob will come for you. Thankfully it failed (barely) with Kavanaugh. Thankfully we had some people with courage who stood up to the Soros rent a mob and the screaming banshees. In the bible Joseph was charged by a woman for attempted rape. He was innocent, the alleged victim lied and off Joseph went to prison. Please don't tell me any more stupidity that women don't lie. The left would claim Joseph's lying accuser was a survivor. The foundations of our justice system date back to Moses with witnesses and evidence needed to find the accused guilty, not just an accusation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Besides the fact that interpretations of stories in the Bible should be near the bottom of the list of things we should look to for guidance on this modern day issue... ... that doesn't seem right for a time when women were bought like property from father's and they got in trouble for being raped. But it's good to know that the Bible is against lying I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Sure way to get a response from Woody: Bad mouth Peppers. Anything related to religion or the Bible. Anything about Homo's or Trannies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: Sure way to get a response from Woody: Bad mouth Peppers. Anything related to religion or the Bible. Anything about Homo's or Trannies. Sure way to get a response from DieHard, just have me post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: Besides the fact that interpretations of stories in the Bible should be near the bottom of the list of things we should look to for guidance on this modern day issue... ... that doesn't seem right for a time when women were bought like property from father's and they got in trouble for being raped. Sexual crimes and innocent people being accused of a sexual crime is not a modern day issue. It has been around for centuries. What is a modern day issue is the idea that women do not lie and are to be believed always and the accused is presumed guilty until they prove themselves innocent. Presumption of innocence dates back to Moses and has been the foundation of our justice system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Seriously - it's sad this stuff has to be explained to Woody. Just sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 3 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said: Sexual crimes and innocent people being accused of a sexual crime is not a modern day issue. It has been around for centuries. What is a modern day issue is the idea that women do not lie and are to be believed always and the accused is presumed guilty until they prove themselves innocent. Presumption of innocence dates back to Moses and has been the foundation of our justice system. There are better ways to prove that point that passages in the Bible translated to say "don't lie". That's what I'm getting at. IMO at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 obf srsly...stop with the bible horsesht. Like woody said, in the ole days u could rape a woman and just pay a couple shek'odoodles and alls good in dahood. Im absolutely onboard with u that im completely uninterested in a world where women, or any of the generally filthy lying pos species called "humans", can upend anothers entire life with simple unproven uncorroborated accusations. But leave the piece of dirty no good shtbook called the bible out of our discussions. That book along with its cousins tbe torah and the koran....are indirectly AND directly responsible for the way the human psyche has evolved. And whats heartbreaking is the irony that the life and teachings of a great man were utterly bolloxed by the ngr fgts of his day that saw their opportunity to.usurp his msg for their gain. So this is nobody gives one singular fuk about a book written by people who were slavers, kiddy fukkers and general exploiters of people. U want a modern day discussion about our problems based on the rational, reasonable intellect god gave all men to be able to think critically about the problems that beset them.....all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: obf srsly...stop with the bible horsesht. Like woody said, in the ole days u could rape a woman and just pay a couple shek'odoodles and alls good in dahood. Im absolutely onboard with u that im completely uninterested in a world where women, or any of the generally filthy lying pos species called "humans", can upend anothers entire life with simple unproven uncorroborated accusations. But leave the piece of dirty no good shtbook called the bible out of our discussions. That book along with its cousins tbe torah and the koran....are indirectly AND directly responsible for the way the human psyche has evolved. And whats heartbreaking is the irony that the life and teachings of a great man were utterly bolloxed by the ngr fgts of his day that saw their opportunity to.usurp his msg for their gain. So this is nobody gives one singular fuk about a book written by people who were slavers, kiddy fukkers and general exploiters of people. U want a modern day discussion about our problems based on the rational, reasonable intellect god gave all men to be able to think critically about the problems that beset them.....all for it. So as far as you're concerned since the Bible is written in a different time that bearing false witness against innocent people is now cool? Because today women are incapable of lying? PS I'm almost laughing out loud at the curry just stand you take against exploiting people. Especially in this situation. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: So as far as you're concerned since the Bible is written in a different time that bearing false witness against innocent people is now cool? can u read dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: Im absolutely onboard with u that im completely uninterested in a world where women, or any of the generally filthy lying pos species called "humans", can upend anothers entire life with simple unproven uncorroborated accusations. can u recite that back to me steve? say it slowly and annunciate every vowel.....we're back in kindergarten now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: obf srsly...stop with the bible horsesht. Like woody said, in the ole days u could rape a woman and just pay a couple shek'odoodles and alls good in dahood. Im absolutely onboard with u that im completely uninterested in a world where women, or any of the generally filthy lying pos species called "humans", can upend anothers entire life with simple unproven uncorroborated accusations. But leave the piece of dirty no good shtbook called the bible out of our discussions. That book along with its cousins tbe torah and the koran....are indirectly AND directly responsible for the way the human psyche has evolved. And whats heartbreaking is the irony that the life and teachings of a great man were utterly bolloxed by the ngr fgts of his day that saw their opportunity to.usurp his msg for their gain. So this is nobody gives one singular fuk about a book written by people who were slavers, kiddy fukkers and general exploiters of people. U want a modern day discussion about our problems based on the rational, reasonable intellect god gave all men to be able to think critically about the problems that beset them.....all for it. You should be thankful for the freedoms we have today because of a Christian culture that was put in place. Also be thankful our culture was not founded on atheism given the horrible results of atheistic governments in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: You should be thankful for the freedoms we have today because of a Christian culture that was put in place. Also be thankful our culture was not founded on atheism given the horrible results of atheistic governments in the past. did that line work on ur grandkids? cause ive studied a bit of history and know a little something about "christian cultures" that ran sht in europe. The whole reason people came here was to.get away from christian theocracies. Our founding fathers wanted a rule of law based on observable, rational, rangiblw principles instead of sky wizards. But acknowledged said sky wizard as what the gen pop beleived in. Seperation of church and state for the 1 billionth time. as to ur last point....what socities were directly founded in atheism? just because givts forbade overt displays of religion for the aforementioned reasons...didnt mean explicit atheism on the part of those people. This might be heady stuff, u should sut down and kick ur feet up if u wanna tackle this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Clevfan4life said: did that line work on ur grandkids? cause ive studied a bit of history and know a little something about "christian cultures" that ran sht in europe. The whole reason people came here was to.get away from christian theocracies. Our founding fathers wanted a rule of law based on observable, rational, rangiblw principles instead of sky wizards. But acknowledged said sky wizard as what the gen pop beleived in. Seperation of church and state for the 1 billionth time. as to ur last point....what socities were directly founded in atheism? just because givts forbade overt displays of religion for the aforementioned reasons...didnt mean explicit atheism on the part of those people. This might be heady stuff, u should sut down and kick ur feet up if u wanna tackle this.... "America's Founding Fathers had the benefit of thousands of years of history to draw on when establishing their government. They could see what had failed in the past. There had been times when the state had absolute authority and persecuted the church. At other times the church had effective control of the state. The founders saw that neither of these extremes were ideal. They developed a system that stood the test of time. Observers everywhere generally agree that American's Founding Fathers achieved a solid balance between church and state, one consistent with biblical concepts. In a ten-year study undertaken at the Univesity of Houston, researchers examined 15,000 documents from America's founders and determined that 34% of their quotations came from the Bible, the highest by far of any source. But many people today reject the notion that the Bible should be used as a basis for law. "Narrow minded and outdated!" they say. Ideas have consequences. Let's examine the implications if the Bible is or is not the standard for society and its legal system. Without an objective standard of truth upon which to base society, the result is that whoever gains the most political power will dominate. Christians believe that the Bible offers ultimate, objective, and absolute truth—as opposed to relative "truth" (i.e., arbitrary "absolutes"). There was a general consensus on this point in America from the earliest settlers until only very recently. http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government Founding Father and educator Noah Webster (1758-1843) had this to say: "The moral principles and precepts contained in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 An important aspect of our system of government is that it is based on the Rule of Law. This concept is a direct descendant of Hebrew law and the Ten Commandments. Together with the concept of unalienable rights from God, these concepts helped ensure a way of life that respected the dignity of every individual. The combination of these biblical concepts is a foundation of our government that helps subjugate political power of potential tyrants. One only has to notice how every tyrant has a practice of changing the country's constitution to suit himself (or to butter the bread of those who put him in power). http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Wait... Christianity is taking credit for laws? Oh man, have fun with this Cleve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Clevfan4life said: can u read dude? That was some classic typical Steve "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this" "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??" "...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 23 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: Wait... Christianity is taking credit for laws? Oh man, have fun with this Cleve The Bible and the Constitution The United States Constitution is one of the most brilliant documents ever written. But then why wouldn’t it be, the very core of it comes straight from the Bible. The men that authored our Constitution were not perfect men, but they knew where to find perfection. Our Founding Fathers were men who knew and studied scripture. Their lives were wrapped in God’s Word; it was the chief source of their education. They relied on the Bible and philosopher’s whose own works and commentaries also relied on Holy Scripture. Scripture is what all laws are to be based upon. In Romans 13:3-4; “For rulers hold not terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good.” Governments’ duty is to be God’s minister to the people. https://www.theamericanview.com/the-bible-and-the-constitution/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: That was some classic typical Steve "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this" "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??" "...." I was making the point that due process and presumption of innocence were foundational to our justice system and their roots are biblical and cleve said the bible wasn't the best reason for this but the bible is the reason for this and the concept dates back to Moses. The facts are the facts...Cleve may not like them but it doesn't change them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: I was making the point that due process and presumption of innocence were foundational to our justice system and their roots are biblical and cleve said the bible wasn't the best reason for this but the bible is the reason for this and the concept dates back to Moses. The facts are the facts...Cleve may not like them but it doesn't change them. have you ever, in ur entire life, read "anything" about what was going on in Europe during the middle ages? Both men and women would be sent before the inquisition on mere whispers. THAT, and ONLY THAT....was the reason why the founding fathers put into the constitution what they did. The people back then wanted NO FUKKING PART of the old theocracies. It was suffocating horsesht. Did you know that early settlements had a serious enough problem retaining settlers that Benjamin Franklin had to write back about it? They built fortifications to keep the settlers in...that's something we never learned. But the letter written by Franklin back to England is proof positive. People "FLOCKED" to the native Americans. Women especially since the natives they encountered there on the east coast treated women entirely different. But the running narrative about natives always focuse's on the violent tribes like the apache that all the other tribes had issues with. Point is, the bible is not the founding basis of our constitution no matter how much you want to believe it....otherwise, the church would have run sht from the beginning. Period, end of discussion. There's nothing more for you to say. Your bullsht doesn't trump historical "facts". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 30 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: have you ever, in ur entire life, read "anything" about what was going on in Europe during the middle ages? Both men and women would be sent before the inquisition on mere whispers. THAT, and ONLY THAT....was the reason why the founding fathers put into the constitution what they did. The people back then wanted NO FUKKING PART of the old theocracies. It was suffocating horsesht. Did you know that early settlements had a serious enough problem retaining settlers that Benjamin Franklin had to write back about it? They built fortifications to keep the settlers in...that's something we never learned. But the letter written by Franklin back to England is proof positive. People "FLOCKED" to the native Americans. Women especially since the natives they encountered there on the east coast treated women entirely different. But the running narrative about natives always focuse's on the violent tribes like the apache that all the other tribes had issues with. Point is, the bible is not the founding basis of our constitution no matter how much you want to believe it....otherwise, the church would have run sht from the beginning. Period, end of discussion. There's nothing more for you to say. Your bullsht doesn't trump historical "facts". What you want to believe or I want to believe is irrelevant. What are the facts. The facts back up what I am saying. You can deny it like some can deny the tide doesn't rise....but that doesn't stop the tide from rising does it? Don't mistake what I am saying. I don't believe the founders set up a Christian nation. They set up a nation where people of all faiths or no faith can live. I am speaking of the biblical influences of the founders that found it's way into their writings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 The United States Constitution is one of the most brilliant documents ever written. But then why wouldn’t it be, the very core of it comes straight from the Bible. The men that authored our Constitution were not perfect men, but they knew where to find perfection Oh geeeezzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 21 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: I don't believe the founders set up a Christian nation. They set up a nation where people of all faiths or no faith can live. I am speaking of the biblical influences of the founders that found it's way into their writings. so you realize that entails all of those people, have to make accomodations for each other. That goes for Atheists too. There's things that people of religion get to enjoy, like tax exemptions for ex. But at the same time there's things people of religion have to understand they're not going to get. Abortion, prime example. You Christians can ex communicate people found to have abortions from your flocks. I, having zero interest in your religion...don't want to be legally bound by your faith on that issue. You all have the right to want to be exempt from behaviors that you don't condone based on your faiths, but you don't have the right to expect me or anyone that doesn't believe in sky wizard to abide by an article of your faith. Is that clear enough? And that right there is exactly what the founding fathers had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldBrownsFan Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Free will is the foundation of Christianity. it is not something ever forced. It is a message that is preached where some respond and willingly accept the gospel message and want to become a Christian. People are free to reject it. The reason I am for making abortions illegal is because there is another life involved. It is not just a part of the mother like an arm or leg but a whole new human being. Science itself shows that to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Whenever I see the religion guy referring to science to back up his points I have to have a little laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldBrownsFan Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, MLD Woody said: Whenever I see the religion guy referring to science to back up his points I have to have a little laugh It kinda takes away the science denier argument you like to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: It kinda takes away the science denier argument you like to use. Until you start heavily cherry picking what you like to use, and then incorrectly referencing what you do use... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, MLD Woody said: Until you start heavily cherry picking what you like to use, and then incorrectly referencing what you do use... The science you use for arguing climate change is not even settled science. I don't believe it can be argued that a baby in the womb is not a unique separate individual human being. That is settled science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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