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Besides the obvious...๐Ÿ‘

I honestly thought Baker needed more time but......WHOA!

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53 minutes ago, choco said:

Besides the obvious...๐Ÿ‘

thought you said you quit this placeย 

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6 hours ago, choco said:

Talk me outta baker

Besides the obvious...๐Ÿ‘

To give it a sincere try (not sure what you consider obvious so I'll toss it all in):

1. The Jets had prepared with footage of Tyrod Taylor. They had very little of Baker Mayfield in the NFL and weren't focused on how the offense would look with him at the helm. Other teams *will* have that footage and will be using it extensively.

2. Mayfield (if I heard the announcers right) threw the ball into double coverage near the Jets goal line and the defenders had a chance at a pick. If that had happened the momentum would have swung and it may have been another narrow loss for the Browns. Same if a Browns players hadn't picked up the fumble after it was stripped from Baker on a hit he didn't see coming. He's still a rookie and may not always look as good vs. other teams over the rest of the season.

3. Teams sometimes rise to specific situations, like a starting QB getting hurt and an untested rookie going in as backup. Now throw in the desperation to end the losing streak during a home game. Those conditions don't last. Mayfield and the offense have to play in all conditions and circumstances, week in and week out, and we don't know how they will respond over time.

4. The Jets may be bad this year. They beat up on a bewildered Lions team in Week One, but struggled and lost vs Miami in Week Two. The Browns made them look good in the first half. How will Mayfield look/react when under pressure from better teams? After he gets rushed and banged up a bit over a full game or two? Against other defensive schemes? After Detroit, the New York media wanted to declare Sam Darnold a star, and look at how that is working out.

5. He's a prime target for the Browns curse, for those here who believe in that.

(Note: Not a Bashing Baker comment, just trying to offer the reality check the OP asked for. Hard to come up with a decent list after only a half of play, but there are a few reasons to justify be cautious if that is what someone is looking for.)

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Anyway, here's the opposite for those wanting to be hyped for Mayfield:

28 minutes ago, tinythinker said:

To give it a sincere try (not sure what you consider obvious so I'll toss it all in):

1. The Jets had prepared with footage of Tyrod Taylor. They had very little of Baker Mayfield in the NFL and weren't focused on how the offense would look with him at the helm. Other teams *will* have that footage and will be using it extensively.

True. Very true. Mayfield will be challenged. It won't all be as easy as one half vs. a possibly subpar and unprepared team. But the issue is whether he has the potential to grow, get knocked down, and take those lessons as steps on the path to next-level play in the NFL. Even a 6-10 or 7-9 season where Mayfield takes his rookie knocks and becomes acclimated to the NFL still leaves room for lots of exciting games and an even better second year, particularly if the Browns take their own notes and build around the strengths and weaknesses he reveals this season.

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2. Mayfield (if I heard the announcers right) threw the ball into double coverage near the Jets goal line and the defenders had a chance at a pick. If that had happened the momentum would have swung and it may have been another narrow loss for the Browns. Same if a Browns players hadn't picked up the fumble after it was stripped from Baker on a hit he didn't see coming. He's still a rookie and may not always look as good vs. other teams over the rest of the season.

Also true. See reply to #1. Plus, even elite QBs get stripped or try to force a pass in order to make a play. It's part of the game and the competitive nature of high-level performers.

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3. Teams sometimes rise to specific situations, like a starting QB getting hurt and an untested rookie going in as backup. Now throw in the desperation to end the losing streak during a home game. Those conditions don't last. Mayfield and the offense have to play in all conditions and circumstances, week in and week out, and we don't know how they will respond over time.

If Mayfield is a leader and the spark the Browns need to escape football hell, his enthusiasm and ability to make plays will inspire the rest of the team, even as he is tested under different conditions. The offense will rally around him and elevate their play.

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4. The Jets may be bad this year. They beat up on a bewildered Lions team in Week One, but struggled and lost vs Miami in Week Two. The Browns made them look good in the first half. How will Mayfield look/react when under pressure from better teams? After he gets rushed and banged up a bit over a full game or two? Against other defensive schemes? After Detroit, the New York media wanted to declare Sam Darnold a star, and look at how that is working out.

See response to #3. It's too early to truly anoint Mayfield the savior of the Browns, but there is no denying the potential he displayed in his first half of play. But one player can't save a franchise anyway. The question is whether the Browns will believe they can be better with Mayfield under center and therefore rise together. (And how things like play-calling, clock management, etc. work out on the coaching side).

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5. He's a prime target for the Browns curse, for those here who believe in that.

Stay away from the voodoo.

So, you can take last night either way, or just wait to see what *actually* happens and enjoy the ride.

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The only talking you outย of Baker is if you want to lose. Honeslty after seeing last night it was crystal clear he should have opened the season as the starter. The difference with him in control was shocking.ย 

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