Browns defense proving to be a top NFL defense already

[calfoxwc]

Number two - in the NFL - I'll take it. Running on all cylinders

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense

Total Tackles Leaders

		TACKLES			SACKS		INTERCEPTIONS					FUMBLES
RK	TEAM	SOLO	AST	TOTAL	SACK	YDSL	PD	INT	YDS	LONG	TD	FF	REC	TD
1	Arizona	119	34	153	5.0	20	4	1	0	0	0	2	1	0
2	Cleveland	96	54	150	7.0	52	12	3	26	26	0	5	5	0
3	Buffalo	109	34	143	4.0	24	6	0	0	0	0	2	1	0
4	Cincinnati	113	29	142	6.0	31	17	3	24	21	0	4	2	1
	Kansas City	95	47	142	2.0	16	6	1	0	0	0	2	1	0
6	New England	95	45	140	3.0	18	9	2	0	0	0	2	2	0
7	San Francisco	108	31	139	5.0	35	8	0	0	0	0	2	2	0
8	Tennessee	97	41	138	5.0	29	8	3	34	34	0	1	0	0
	Pittsburgh	97	41	138	8.0	51	11	1	0	0	0	4	1	0
10	Indianapolis	98	38	136	5.0	37	7	1	32	32	0	3	2	0
	New Orleans	90	46	136	3.0	12	5	1	22	22	0	3	0	0

[The Gipper]

18 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

Number two - in the NFL - I'll take it. Running on all cylinders

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense

Total Tackles Leaders

		TACKLES			SACKS		INTERCEPTIONS					FUMBLES
RK	TEAM	SOLO	AST	TOTAL	SACK	YDSL	PD	INT	YDS	LONG	TD	FF	REC	TD
1	Arizona	119	34	153	5.0	20	4	1	0	0	0	2	1	0
2	Cleveland	96	54	150	7.0	52	12	3	26	26	0	5	5	0
3	Buffalo	109	34	143	4.0	24	6	0	0	0	0	2	1	0
4	Cincinnati	113	29	142	6.0	31	17	3	24	21	0	4	2	1
	Kansas City	95	47	142	2.0	16	6	1	0	0	0	2	1	0
6	New England	95	45	140	3.0	18	9	2	0	0	0	2	2	0
7	San Francisco	108	31	139	5.0	35	8	0	0	0	0	2	2	0
8	Tennessee	97	41	138	5.0	29	8	3	34	34	0	1	0	0
	Pittsburgh	97	41	138	8.0	51	11	1	0	0	0	4	1	0
10	Indianapolis	98	38	136	5.0	37	7	1	32	32	0	3	2	0
	New Orleans	90	46	136	3.0	12	5	1	22	22	0	3	0	0

I don't think "Total Tackles" is by any means a decent measure by which to measure a defense.  That, to me, simply means that they have had to make more tackles than anyone else because they are not stopping the other team.  "Fewest tackles" I think would actually be better....because that would mean that a defense is making a lot of 3 and out stops and giving the ball back to the offense.

No, look more at a combination of yards allowed, points allowed and  turnovers.   

If you post THOSE numbers, I think the Browns defense will still be near the top somewhere.

[BobPOUND!]

Was going to say the same thing.. Where are the points allowed figures also.. You can't judge a defense without Yards allowed or points allowed.  That being said our turnover ratio is kick butt..

[tiamat63]

1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

I don't think "Total Tackles" is by any means a decent measure by which to measure a defense.  That, to me, simply means that they have had to make more tackles than anyone else because they are not stopping the other team.  "Fewest tackles" I think would actually be better....because that would mean that a defense is making a lot of 3 and out stops and giving the ball back to the offense.

No, look more at a combination of yards allowed, points allowed and  turnovers.   

If you post THOSE numbers, I think the Browns defense will still be near the top somewhere.

When your offense is putting you on the field more often than expected, total tackles means at least you're securing the ball carrier.  

[The Gipper]

13 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

When your offense is putting you on the field more often than expected, total tackles means at least you're securing the ball carrier.  

Every single play results in a tackle, unless the other team scores a TD.  But those tackles can be made behind the LOS....or 20/40/60 yards downfield. So, again, it tells you nothing about the quality of a defense. 

[tiamat63]

13 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Every single play results in a tackle, unless the other team scores a TD.  But those tackles can be made behind the LOS....or 20/40/60 yards downfield. So, again, it tells you nothing about the quality of a defense. 

As a stand alone stat? Correct.  Taken in context... it sheds some light.  

[The Gipper]

6 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

As a stand alone stat? Correct.  Taken in context... it sheds some light.  

A LOT less than the other, more meaningful stats do.

YPA

YPG

PPG

TOs  

etc.

[tiamat63]

2 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

A LOT less than the other, more meaningful stats do.

YPA

YPG

PPG

TOs  

etc.

Never argued that.  

[Tour2ma]

Total tackles says to me, "your opponents are running a lot of plays."

[BroncoLurker]

if Buffalo is third in "defense" by the stat you are providing. Well then it is wrong😂. With that being said, I think you guys have a great defense. Your offense might hide that though putting it in bad positions and keeping it on the field.  

[tiamat63]

3 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Total tackles says to me, "your opponents are running a lot of plays."

I think total tackles broken down over a quarter by quarter look would be much better.   Shows how much the defense is on the field thus the plays the opposing offense is running vs the first half - I.E. wearing out the defense.

[The Gipper]

4 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Total tackles says to me, "your opponents are running a lot of plays."

NSS, see post #2.

[mjp28]

16 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Total tackles says to me, "your opponents are running a lot of plays."

Yes or maybe your offense isn't controlling the clock? (but has to be better than 2017)

[calfoxwc]

2 hours ago, The Gipper said:

I don't think "Total Tackles" is by any means a decent measure by which to measure a defense.  That, to me, simply means that they have had to make more tackles than anyone else because they are not stopping the other team.  "Fewest tackles" I think would actually be better....because that would mean that a defense is making a lot of 3 and out stops and giving the ball back to the offense.

No, look more at a combination of yards allowed, points allowed and  turnovers.   

If you post THOSE numbers, I think the Browns defense will still be near the top somewhere.

I agree ... but looking at the stats,

Total Tackles Leaders

		TACKLES			SACKS		INTERCEPTIONS					FUMBLES
RK	TEAM	SOLO	AST	TOTAL	SACK	YDSL	PD	INT	YDS	LONG	TD	FF	REC	TD
1	Arizona	119	34	153	5.0	20	4	1	0	0	0	2	1	0
2	Cleveland	96	54	150	7.0	52	12	3	26	26	0	5	5	0
3	Buffalo	109	34	143	4.0	24	6	0	0	0	0	2	1	0
4	Cincinnati	113	29	142	6.0	31	17	3	24	21	0	4	2	1
	Kansas City	95	47	142	2.0	16	6	1	0	0	0	2	1	0
6	New England	95	45	140	3.0	18	9	2	0	0	0	2	2	0
7	San Francisco	108	31	139	5.0	35	8	0	0	0	0	2	2	0
8	Tennessee	97	41	138	5.0	29	8	3	34	34	0	1	0	0
	Pittsburgh	97	41	138	8.0	51	11	1	0	0	0	4	1	0
10	Indianapolis	98	38	136	5.0	37	7	1	32	32	0	3	2	0
	New Orleans	90	46	136	3.0	12	5	1	22	22	0	3	0	0

 

The Browns have the #2 amount of sacks by one, they have the #1 yards lost for sacking, the second most passes defended, the most ints, (tied with Cncy and Tenn.), the Browns are #1 in Forced Fumbles, #1 in Fumbles Recovered, .... I'd say that puts them about the #2 ranking.

and, NOTE: the two offenses the Browns defense faced... the pukes and the Saints - bigtime offenses in recent years.

 

[Clevfan4life]

1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

As a stand alone stat? Correct.  Taken in context... it sheds some light.  

^^^

 

that context business sure is hangup with some folks here and maybe at another place too, isn't it? lols

[Clevfan4life]

you can fuk pgh right off that list cause 7 of those 8 sacks were in week one against our O line...which couldn't stop OSU's D line. Real talk. 

[dawg2fan]

3 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

Number two - in the NFL - I'll take it. Running on all cylinders

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense

Total Tackles Leaders

		TACKLES			SACKS		INTERCEPTIONS					FUMBLES
RK	TEAM	SOLO	AST	TOTAL	SACK	YDSL	PD	INT	YDS	LONG	TD	FF	REC	TD
1	Arizona	119	34	153	5.0	20	4	1	0	0	0	2	1	0
2	Cleveland	96	54	150	7.0	52	12	3	26	26	0	5	5	0
3	Buffalo	109	34	143	4.0	24	6	0	0	0	0	2	1	0
4	Cincinnati	113	29	142	6.0	31	17	3	24	21	0	4	2	1
	Kansas City	95	47	142	2.0	16	6	1	0	0	0	2	1	0
6	New England	95	45	140	3.0	18	9	2	0	0	0	2	2	0
7	San Francisco	108	31	139	5.0	35	8	0	0	0	0	2	2	0
8	Tennessee	97	41	138	5.0	29	8	3	34	34	0	1	0	0
	Pittsburgh	97	41	138	8.0	51	11	1	0	0	0	4	1	0
10	Indianapolis	98	38	136	5.0	37	7	1	32	32	0	3	2	0
	New Orleans	90	46	136	3.0	12	5	1	22	22	0	3	0	0

Any D that has Arizona at the top couldn't possibly we #1.  Got pummeled in both games by a large margin.  But I do agree that our D is somewhere near the top overall. 

[Clevfan4life]

don't expect those numbers to hold, defense is out there a lot right now. I worry for Myles. Williams already addressed his minutes. This is what sucked about some of those cuts. We need a competent RDE to spell myles. I actually liked what I saw of Chris Smith, number 50...dude held down the left edge quite well and provided some hurries. We need someone to spell Myles on the RDE spot tho. Especially since Williams is dropping myles into coverage, it's going to affect his burst around the edge. 

[The Gipper]

3 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

I agree ... but looking at the stats,

Total Tackles Leaders

		TACKLES			SACKS		INTERCEPTIONS					FUMBLES
RK	TEAM	SOLO	AST	TOTAL	SACK	YDSL	PD	INT	YDS	LONG	TD	FF	REC	TD
1	Arizona	119	34	153	5.0	20	4	1	0	0	0	2	1	0
2	Cleveland	96	54	150	7.0	52	12	3	26	26	0	5	5	0
3	Buffalo	109	34	143	4.0	24	6	0	0	0	0	2	1	0
4	Cincinnati	113	29	142	6.0	31	17	3	24	21	0	4	2	1
	Kansas City	95	47	142	2.0	16	6	1	0	0	0	2	1	0
6	New England	95	45	140	3.0	18	9	2	0	0	0	2	2	0
7	San Francisco	108	31	139	5.0	35	8	0	0	0	0	2	2	0
8	Tennessee	97	41	138	5.0	29	8	3	34	34	0	1	0	0
	Pittsburgh	97	41	138	8.0	51	11	1	0	0	0	4	1	0
10	Indianapolis	98	38	136	5.0	37	7	1	32	32	0	3	2	0
	New Orleans	90	46	136	3.0	12	5	1	22	22	0	3	0	0

 

The Browns have the #2 amount of sacks by one, they have the #1 yards lost for sacking, the second most passes defended, the most ints, (tied with Cncy and Tenn.), the Browns are #1 in Forced Fumbles, #1 in Fumbles Recovered, .... I'd say that puts them about the #2 ranking.

and, NOTE: the two offenses the Browns defense faced... the pukes and the Saints - bigtime offenses in recent years.

 

Yerp...I put more credence in the sacks/yards lost, passes defended, ints, forced fumble and recoveries.  Those I like to see, not just "tackles".

[runyon27]

4 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

I think total tackles broken down over a quarter by quarter look would be much better.   Shows how much the defense is on the field thus the plays the opposing offense is running vs the first half - I.E. wearing out the defense.

That or perhaps tackles per drive. We also played an overtime period so that will lead to more tackles. So its not an accurate measure, PPG and yards are far more important in my opinion.