TexasAg1969 Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 7 hours ago, The Gipper said: As bad as his trolling may be the fact is that Tommy is often completely in accurate and wrong about his statement of facts he just doesn’t pay attention to what happens in the gamesAs bad as his trolling may be the fact is that Tommy is often completely in accurate and wrong about his statement of facts he just doesn’t pay attention to what happens in the games Take it to the poly board................................oh Tommy......................I thought you said 🤴................................never mind.😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted September 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 Since the Browns' return: Our 1st of MANY non winning QBs wore #2 (Couch wasn't awful, but that was our new beginning), manziel wore #2, now the kicker. Talk about a number with a negative history!! The Jersey #2 has lead us NOWHERE, therefore I have a question. Should the #2 EVER be made available to a Browns' player in Cleveland again? AAAAARRRRRGH!!!!! I HATE the #2!!!!!!! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Canton Mike said: Since the Browns' return: Our 1st of MANY non winning QBs wore #2 (Couch wasn't awful, but that was our new beginning), manziel wore #2, now the kicker. Talk about a number with a negative history!! The Jersey #2 has lead us NOWHERE, therefore I have a question. Should the #2 EVER be made available to a Browns' player in Cleveland again? AAAAARRRRRGH!!!!! I HATE the #2!!!!!!! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 16 hours ago, TypicalBrowns50 said: Single handedly lost the game Actually both games even though what there was a factor in one of the. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 A bad hombre. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 Browns should be 2-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 Zane has confidence issues. It is literally the one issue you cannot have if you intend to be good at anything. After his first miss (or maybe second, or maybe both) the camera panned to him on the sideline chewing his nails. All bottled up in his head and taking it out on his finger nails. I actually think that’s why Hue went for it when he did at the end of the game, to give the guy one less play to think about it and just go out and do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 We are bringing two kickers to try out today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, LBC mike said: We are bringing two kickers to try out today Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 8 hours ago, hoorta said: 47 yard Calloway TD (in the air mind you) = dink and dump in Trollie's mind. One decent pass. Seems like you might need more than that? Did it counterbalance the over and under throws and off target throws throughout the game? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Nero said: Link? Don't know about his two kickers, but Schefter says Zane is out: https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Browns-change-from-Zane-Gonzalez-122014605/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 Mike GarafoloVerified account @MikeGarafolo 48m48 minutes ago More #Browns working out kickers today, including veterans Blair Walsh and Cairo Santos, sources say. GM John Dorsey is well acquainted with Santos from his time with the #Chiefs. 97 replies237 retweets697 likes Reply 97 Retweet 237 Like 697 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 Didn't Blair Walsh Project single handily lose a playoff game a few years ago? Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Zombo said: Didn't Blair Walsh Project single handily lose a playoff game a few years ago? Zombo Isn't Bailey at home? If he can walk, bring him to Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 Vikings are looking for a kickers and I just heard MKC on the Dan Patrick show say that Blair doesn't want to tryout for the browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000963456/article/browns-scheduled-to-work-out-kickers-after-missed-fgs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Mellon Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 17 hours ago, Ghoolie said: He missed a FG? So too, did their guy miss a FG. The two missed extra points had no bearing. The kicker problem was the exact same for both teams. A WASH. It was the wind. The wind can be terrible in that place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 18 hours ago, British Browns Fan Everton said: We didn't today. We lost to bottom of the league team West ham. Everton are the oldest team in the top flight of English football. They are one of the most successful yet in recent years we haven't won too many trophies. Last time we were winning was the 80s. And one cup in 1995. 1995 you beat us 4-1 in the semi final ☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 What's important to consider as well is the context of the first missed extra point. The Browns in that situation lead 13-3 and with the flow of the game the Saints would have only gone for 1 after the 2nd TD, making it 17-13. Assuming he doesn't wang the 2nd extra point as well, Browns are up 20-17 leading to that final drive by the Saints. Assuming it plays out the same, Browns are at worst tied. Can't have it. I can maybe live with the missed FG's, but the extra points are inexcusable. Hard to ever say a loss is 100% on one dude, but Zane was responsible for about 95% of the weight of the loss. Tyrod put us in a position to have the lead AND tie the game in the 4th quarter. Get his name out your mouth in the realm of him being the reason we lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Zombo said: Didn't Blair Walsh Project single handily lose a playoff game a few years ago? Zombo I don't know if it was as single handedly as Gagzonelz yesterday but he did miss a late one for the Vikings I think a couple seasons ago. In his defense, it was like -20 and windy so a bit different than gagging every kick indoors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Nero said: Isn't Bailey at home? If he can walk, bring him to Cleveland. Per Schefter this morning, Bailey has actually turned down like 4 offers. Maybe he will be getting some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, LBC mike said: Vikings are looking for a kickers and I just heard MKC on the Dan Patrick show say that Blair doesn't want to tryout for the browns. I suppose he wants a freeking Dome team, so that he won't have any adverse affects. Plus, seems to me that beggars can't be choosers. He doesn't have a job now, and if Bailey gets taken, he will just have to go where he can. Unless he wants to stay home and be an insurance salesman, a grocery bagger, or a high school soccer coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 IIRC Blair's miss cost the Vikes a playoff spot... or advancing in the playoffs. Seems like it was Zimmer's 1st year as their HC. We need to find a good vet who was in large part a cap casualty. And folks need to lighten up on the Bailey wishin'. If you watched SNF you heard that he had surgery and was simply not the same kicker he was in Cowboy camp. He was a cap casualty-plus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 Bring back Martin. That was the hometown kid who was Zane’s competition in camp right? I mean honestly, any kicker who doesn’t dwell on his most recent performance is an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 So what does it cost a team for a needless loss? There are a lot of variables involved besides even making a playoff spot, from spotrac: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/kicker/null/ 2018 Kicker Average Rankings PLAYER AVERAGE 1 Stephen Gostkowski KICKER $4,300,000 2 Graham Gano KICKER $4,250,000 3 Justin Tucker KICKER $4,200,000 4 Mason Crosby KICKER $4,025,000 5 Ryan Succop KICKER $4,000,000 6 Chris Boswell KICKER $3,951,500 7 Matt Prater KICKER $3,800,000 8 Brandon McManus KICKER $3,751,333 9 Cody Parkey KICKER $3,750,000 10 Adam Vinatieri KICKER $3,625,000 11 Matt Bryant KICKER $3,366,667 12 Chandler Catanzaro KICKER $3,250,000 13 Phil Dawson KICKER $3,000,000 14 Steven Hauschka KICKER $2,950,000 15 Dustin Hopkins KICKER $2,483,333 16 Greg Zuerlein KICKER $2,250,000 17 Caleb Sturgis KICKER $2,225,000 18 Sebastian Janikowski KICKER $2,015,000 19 Robbie Gould KICKER $2,000,000 20 Mike Nugent KICKER $1,015,000 21 Randy Bullock KICKER $782,500 22 Jason Myers KICKER $705,000 23 Daniel Carlson KICKER $677,003 24 Josh Lambo KICKER $660,000 25 Jason Sanders KICKER $637,800 26 Michael Palardy KICKER $630,000 27 Zane Gonzalez KICKER $622,289 28 Eddy Piniero KICKER $578,333 29 Kaare Vedvik KICKER $570,000 30 Ka'imi Fairbairn KICKER $541,667 31 Will Lutz KICKER $540,000 32 Brett Maher KICKER $525,000 33 Harrison Butker KICKER $510,000 Aldrick Rosas KICKER $510,000 Jake Elliott KICKER $510,000 36 Sam Ficken KICKER $480,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: IIRC Blair's miss cost the Vikes a playoff spot... or advancing in the playoffs. Seems like it was Zimmer's 1st year as their HC. We need to find a good vet who was in large part a cap casualty. And folks need to lighten up on the Bailey wishin'. If you watched SNF you heard that he had surgery and was simply not the same kicker he was in Cowboy camp. He was a cap casualty-plus... Ah yes when an accountant can overrule a coach, it happens a lot. But a bargain basement kicker can cost you dearly at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, Ghoolie said: Yes, THE KICKER........................... FINALLY................................. FINALLY WE HAVE THE ANSWER. This is just more demonstration of why Tommy Boy is so ignorant about the game of football. The kicker IS an important element of the game. It would not surprise me, if, after research, some 20-25% of all football games are decided by field goals and extra points, or those that are missed. Sure, it is the entire game, obviously, and if a team is OH SO good that it never has to rely on the success of its kicking game, that is one thing. But, remember.....like every single one of the Patriots Super Bowl wins were by the margin of a field goal (and maybe their losses too). Where would their dynasty be if Vinatieri had missed those two kicks. What would we think about the Buffalo Bills if Norwood had made that kick. What about that fuycking kick that Karliss missed, yet the refs gave it to him. Yes, a kicker may be AN answer, if not THE answer. The point is simple, again: many, many games come down to kicking. You are foolish if you minimize the importance of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/09/browns_trying_out_kickers_toda.html Hey has anybody called him Gone Zales yet? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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