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26 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

I'm hoping it backfires and the Ugly Behavior by the Democrats pushes more and more normal people away. Then again the party out of power always loses seats in the midterm.

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That is the rule of thumb in normal times (the party in power loses seats in the first mid terms after the election) but I don't think these are normal times. Not too many people thought Trump would win in 16. History is against the republicans but they could buck history if the economy is doing well and the left keeps acting  unhinged.

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17 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said:

That is the rule of thumb in normal times (the party in power loses seats in the first mid terms after the election) but I don't think these are normal times. Not too many people thought Trump would win in 16. History is against the republicans but they could buck history if the economy is doing well and the left keeps acting  unhinged.

Well we can hope for a surprise. Just concerning that if the Democrats do take the houses the economy Etc will go in the tank like it did when they took it from w. Which is exactly what the Democrats want. They might not actively wish for more school shootings because it promotes their agenda but I do think they are rooting hard for a recession. And they will cause one if they get the chance

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3 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Where's that "everyone I don't like is a Nazi" image?

 

 

Cal, are you going to answer that yes no question?

well, woodpecker, stop pecking and THINK for just one second of your miserable existence:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2009/02/liberals-are-the-true-heirs-of-the-nazi-spirit/

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3 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Nazi's although scum, were tough and disciplined.  Antifa are pu s s i e s  and erratic.

good point, except the history of the brownshirts is that they were a loose bunch of rough, arrogant national socialist

hooligans who progressed into violence and other intimidations - just like antifia, etc are doing now.

The correlation is, the brownshirts sought out to harrass and drive out Jews, while antifa and the protesting leftists.

are doing the same to conservatives, painting anyone who voted for Trump, works for Trump, disagrees with the left...

as fodder for violence and intimidation.

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also for the woodpecker:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/12/02/liberals-get-hysterical-over-alt-right-but-are-living-in-their-alt-left-world.html

http://observer.com/2017/05/what-is-neo-fascism-democrats-mussolini/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/looking-for-fascism-in-america-look-left-on-campus

https://itsnobody.wordpress.com/2011/08/19/the-nazi-party-a-left-wing-liberal-movement/

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49 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

Well we can hope for a surprise. Just concerning that if the Democrats do take the houses the economy Etc will go in the tank like it did when they took it from w. Which is exactly what the Democrats want. They might not actively wish for more school shootings because it promotes their agenda but I do think they are rooting hard for a recession. And they will cause one if they get the chance

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The democrats for sure want open borders. Catch and release needs to be stopped and the republicans can't get any democrat support to fix the problem.  Also the dems have tried to tamp down the impeachment talk prior to the mid terms for political reasons but I have no doubt they will try to impeach Trump (for about anything) if they gain control of the House. 

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2 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said:

Unprecedented hostility: Broadcast coverage of President Trump still 90% negative, says study

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/6/trump-coverage-still-90-negative-says-new-study/

 

Bad behavior goes both ways but the amount of those acting up on the left exceeds anything seen on the right. And then we have the biased media. If any republican said what Maxine Waters said about harassing the Trump administration in public the media would be all over republicans to denounce her. I have yet to see the media do that with any democrats with Waters nor any democrats  making any public statements denouncing her rhetoric

A study conducted by an admittedly conservative/right wing organization. So it would be wise to take their results with a grain of salt.

Though I imagine doing more negative things would result in more negative coverage. It would be interesting to know exactly what that study considered negative. And if they tracked positive too

 

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Hahaha, good job Cal. Posting a dozen opinion articles from conservative sites. You uh... sure showed me? Sure, why not... Hahaha

 

You also seem to be refusing to answer a simple yes no question. This typically happens when even you know your extreme political leanings have backed you into a hypocritical hole. I'm not surprised you're avoiding answering. 

 

If you still would like to, I'd love to know

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11 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

It very much is. 

Should a store owner be able to refuse service to gays?

It is more complicated than a yes or no. The Christian baker did not refuse all his cakes to the gay couple just one they wanted him to specially decorate which his conscience would not permit.The Christian florist didn't have a problem selling flowers to the gay couple it was when they wanted her to do the flower arrangement for their wedding that she refused. The Christian pizza shop owner didn't have any problems serving gay couples pizza in his business but said he would not cater a gay wedding. What I am reading is no Christians are denying services to gays unless it puts them in a position of approving of gay marriage by forcing them to participate in it. The same goes with the Christian clerk in Ky who didn't want to issue marriage certificates to gay couples. The reason was she had to sign her name to the certificate and they ended up with a compromise where they took her name off the certificate.

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11 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

It very much is. 

Should a store owner be able to refuse service to gays?

That wasn't the question I quoted in the post

"Where's that "everyone I don't like is a Nazi" image?

 

 

Cal, are you going to answer that yes no question?"

 

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Just now, Westside Steve said:

That wasn't the question I quoted in the post

"Where's that "everyone I don't like is a Nazi" image?

 

 

Cal, are you going to answer that yes no question?"

 

Hmm... Ok. Fair enough. Out of context, you got me.

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4 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said:

It is more complicated than a yes or no. The Christian baker did not refuse all his cakes to the gay couple just one they wanted him to specially decorate which his conscience would not permit.The Christian florist didn't have a problem selling flowers to the gay couple it was when they wanted her to do the flower arrangement for their wedding that she refused. The Christian pizza shop owner didn't have any problems serving gay couples pizza in his business but said he would not cater a gay wedding. 

I'm not talking about any specific case. I'm just posing the question I did. Not in reference to any actual story. 

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37 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Hahaha, good job Cal. Posting a dozen opinion articles from conservative sites. You uh... sure showed me? Sure, why not... Hahaha

 

You also seem to be refusing to answer a simple yes no question. This typically happens when even you know your extreme political leanings have backed you into a hypocritical hole. I'm not surprised you're avoiding answering. 

 

If you still would like to, I'd love to know

like Steve mentioned already - it was not a yes or no question, woodpecker. What I posted, at length, is what the shorter

answer would be if I took the time to construct it, but who cares, you never read answers anyways.

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It very much is. 

Should a store owner be able to refuse service to gays?

woodpecker

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  There is no yes or no answer here. I told you already, it is the BEHAVIOR that would warrant

refusing service. A person coming in to my store, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE GAY. If a person comes in acting stupid and gay so as to make the point they were gay, I'd say that behavior was disruptive and I would tell them to leave. I have also said many, many times - I used to know certain peoplewere gay at work - and I always treated them just like I treated anybody else - they never knew I knew. I only knew because close friends of theirs told me - she wanted me to know, knowing I was pretty conservative, because he was having a party out at his house.
I wouldn't have gone anyways, but if I was a party goer, it would have led me to immediately decide not to go.

  If I had a bakery, and I knew them to be gay - they can buy any of my baked goods. But order a special GAY cake with

gay stuff on it?

hell no.

 

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"Where's that "everyone I don't like is a Nazi" image?

 

 

Cal, are you going to answer that yes no question?"

Woodpecker

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   Woodpecker is so desperate to be a "smart-butt"...he makes himself a "dumb-butt"

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1 hour ago, MLD Woody said:

 

Should a store owner be able to refuse service to gays?

Probably yes. There are plenty of slippery slopes however. Plenty of caveats. For instance a doctor can't be forced to perform an abortion and certain organizations can't be forced to pay for abortions. Certain conscientious objectors and other members of religious sects can't be forced to fight in the army. Indians are allowed to take hallucinogens that would be illegal for others. Even imprison summer religious inmates are given special meals.

As for where it gets hinky? I don't know how you erase the gray area between people who have actually been faithful in a religion that can't abide homosexuality and people who just aren't all that religious but homosexuality creeps them out?

 

PS I would add that refusing service and refusing to make an actual product depicting the homosexual Act are two different things. These people at the bakery said that they would have made them Cookies Cakes pies anything else just couldn't make the queer cake.

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its actually easier than u guys understand....if u kick out a gay person or persons for doing something u would allow a heterosexual person or persons to do...you've run afoul of the law.

take cal, he likely would not kick out a heterosexual couple that gave each other a peck on the cheek. but a gay couple looks fleetingly affectionate at each other and im betting ole bullshttin billy calfox comes flyin out of the main office

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Gay people can come to Cals store, as long as they aren't "disruptive". Which I feel like means "don't show they're gay in any way". 

 

At least Steve gave a real answer and walked through it. Thanks. It sounds like you're ok with exceptions based on religious freedom. Are you saying that, in this case, religious freedom trumps genetics? It's ok if you are, just trying to understand your perspective more

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