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I am staying at Mandalay Bay this week. The stadium is right next to the I-15 and in full view of the strip. I can't wait to see a game here, it is going to be very cool. Very cool indeed.

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You oughta just move there.. then we wont hear how shitty Memphis is every day :P

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14 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

I am staying at Mandalay Bay this week. The stadium is right next to the I-15 and in full view of the strip. I can't wait to see a game here, it is going to be very cool. Very cool indeed.

saw MUSE play  there 

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16 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

I am staying at Mandalay Bay this week. The stadium is right next to the I-15 and in full view of the strip. I can't wait to see a game here, it is going to be very cool. Very cool indeed.

Carpet baggers

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1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

Carpet baggers

Careful with that.  It matches your avatar.

Speaking of avatars...Ghoolie's current avatar is the one I attribute to him as it's the one that was in use when I came to this board.

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2 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Carpet baggers

To a point Gip. This is different than the Rams going back to LA. St. Louis at least made an attempt to keep the Rams, & Edward Jones dome is modern in comparison to Oakland Alameda. Kroenke was moving- regardless. 

Oakland had to know the rules of the game, it's been played out far too many times- build a new stadium, or I'm moving to greener pastures, The Chargers pulled out of San Diego because the populace wasn't interested in building a new stadium.So ditto that for Oakland. 

I have to admit, the price tag of these new pleasure palaces is getting insane. 

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9 hours ago, hoorta said:

To a point Gip. This is different than the Rams going back to LA. St. Louis at least made an attempt to keep the Rams, & Edward Jones dome is modern in comparison to Oakland Alameda. Kroenke was moving- regardless. 

Oakland had to know the rules of the game, it's been played out far too many times- build a new stadium, or I'm moving to greener pastures, The Chargers pulled out of San Diego because the populace wasn't interested in building a new stadium.So ditto that for Oakland. 

I have to admit, the price tag of these new pleasure palaces is getting insane. 

Insane especially with NFL viewership on the decline as in the last three Super Bowl games even with Tom Terrific going down every year.

Hard to justify multi-billion dollar investments with taxpayer money. The young generations are not as interested in going to games, MLB included.

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2 hours ago, mjp28 said:

Insane especially with NFL viewership on the decline as in the last three Super Bowl games even with Tom Terrific going down every year.

Hard to justify multi-billion dollar investments with taxpayer money. The young generations are not as interested in going to games, MLB included.

Exactly. The younger generation is growing up on soccer and video games. I regularly see young 'uns at games more interested in texting on their cellphones than what's happening on the field. Seems like being seen at a really cool venue is taking priority over the game. The concurrent rise in ticket prices and concessions ($10 dollar beers) is pricing the average family out of the market.

Sheeze, regarding the Vegas stadium almost $2 billion? Massage chairs in the lux suites? For that kind of money, Ohio could replace the deteriorating I-75 bridge over the Ohio River, with a billion to spare. That much money would feed every poor person in Nevada- for years. Screwed up priorities.

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The Indians won 102 games in the regular season last season yet the first place Indians' attendance is down this year, go figure. 

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22 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

The 'Europeanization' of America.  Sickening.

Are you black or Native American?   I suspect not, which means that you are likely of white European descent.   So....that process started long ago..like 1492!

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14 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Hot dogs and apple pie is not European.

 

 

That Chevy shortbed stepside looks like my blue 1978 C-10 only I had the big chrome California mirrors, better step bumper and slotted aluminum wheels!

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4 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

The 'Europeanization' of America.  Sickening.

So- soccer sucks, metrics sucks, the rest of the world sucks, and the good old USA is the Big Kahuna. Trump has reawakened Xenophobia. 

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On 6/15/2018 at 11:24 AM, hoorta said:

Exactly. The younger generation is growing up on soccer and video games. I regularly see young 'uns at games more interested in texting on their cellphones than what's happening on the field. Seems like being seen at a really cool venue is taking priority over the game. The concurrent rise in ticket prices and concessions ($10 dollar beers) is pricing the average family out of the market.

Sheeze, regarding the Vegas stadium almost $2 billion? Massage chairs in the lux suites? For that kind of money, Ohio could replace the deteriorating I-75 bridge over the Ohio River, with a billion to spare. That much money would feed every poor person in Nevada- for years. Screwed up priorities.

Larry, you just never learn, do you? You and I had the very same debate circa 1996 when it was announced that the new franchise would require the purchasing of PSL's. Our friend Kathy challenged my statement that " if the NFL is smart they will stop fukcking around worrying about what the die-hard fan wants, and instead focus on what the casual fan, the more affluent, less knowledgeable but BIG MONEY fan. THe NFL was right to focus on the non die-hard then, and they are 100% CORRECTAMNUDO to continue their behavior now.

Like it or not, we will support the Browns no matter how pizzed we are. As much as you claimed PSL's were an abomination and would kill the game.............you yourself bought PSLs.

So too, is it today. The TRADITIONAL NF fn has dwindled, but the old model of a town supporting a team no longer applies. There are many ways to herd sheep and build new dollars for the NFL. Trust me, they will be fine. 

On 6/15/2018 at 11:41 AM, mjp28 said:

The Indians won 102 games in the regular season last season yet the first place Indians' attendance is down this year, go figure. 

Baseball is only exceeded in boring-ness by soccer. MLB blows. They too, will have to reinent their form of entertainment.

 

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3 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Larry, you just never learn, do you? You and I had the very same debate circa 1996 when it was announced that the new franchise would require the purchasing of PSL's. Our friend Kathy challenged my statement that " if the NFL is smart they will stop fukcking around worrying about what the die-hard fan wants, and instead focus on what the casual fan, the more affluent, less knowledgeable but BIG MONEY fan. THe NFL was right to focus on the non die-hard then, and they are 100% CORRECTAMNUDO to continue their behavior now.

Like it or not, we will support the Browns no matter how pizzed we are. As much as you claimed PSL's were an abomination and would kill the game.............you yourself bought PSLs.

So too, is it today. The TRADITIONAL NF fn has dwindled, but the old model of a town supporting a team no longer applies. There are many ways to herd sheep and build new dollars for the NFL. Trust me, they will be fine. 

Baseball is only exceeded in boring-ness by soccer. MLB blows. They too, will have to reinent their form of entertainment.

 

Yeah Tom, the new model isn't Joe six pack, it's the guys with money. The NFL will survive with it's current business model, but I don't expect it to retain it's dominance forever. 

Futball- the soccer kind IS the dominant world sport, the USA was a little slow in recognizing it. Crap, Pele was a curiosity back then. Now? You have more kids in youth soccer than any other sport. Just a matter of time until the US produces a world class super-duper star on the order of Maradona or Reynaldo. We have guys like Altidore and a few others that are stars on the international level, just not enough yet to make us a serious World Cup contender. I said way back, it would take a generation of the kids playing soccer until they moved up to the coaching ranks for us to turn the corner- dead on. 

I admit- soccer is boring as hell to those that aren't interested in the game. But for one who played competitive hockey, if you think of soccer as a slow motion version of that- you appreciate it. The strategy and rules are similar. 

So get with the program- you wouldn't see premier league, and major league US soccer on TV if no one was watching. Gip was trying to argue with me- but he has his head up his a$$, the World Cup final is the most watched sporting event- period. World wide viewership makes our NFL Super Bowl minor league by comparison. 

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6 hours ago, hoorta said:

Yeah Tom, the new model isn't Joe six pack, it's the guys with money. The NFL will survive with it's current business model, but I don't expect it to retain it's dominance forever. 

Futball- the soccer kind IS the dominant world sport, the USA was a little slow in recognizing it. Crap, Pele was a curiosity back then. Now? You have more kids in youth soccer than any other sport. Just a matter of time until the US produces a world class super-duper star on the order of Maradona or Reynaldo. We have guys like Altidore and a few others that are stars on the international level, just not enough yet to make us a serious World Cup contender. I said way back, it would take a generation of the kids playing soccer until they moved up to the coaching ranks for us to turn the corner- dead on. 

I admit- soccer is boring as hell to those that aren't interested in the game. But for one who played competitive hockey, if you think of soccer as a slow motion version of that- you appreciate it. The strategy and rules are similar. 

So get with the program- you wouldn't see premier league, and major league US soccer on TV if no one was watching. Gip was trying to argue with me- but he has his head up his a$$, the World Cup final is the most watched sporting event- period. World wide viewership makes our NFL Super Bowl minor league by comparison. 

Yeah but who can really watch a sport where little pansies go down holding their knees all the time as slow-mo catches the non-contact. Then the trainer gives a "miracle cure" and off they sprint to the next "collision". I'd rather go outside on a hike and watch the biannual Monarch Butterfly migrations through my part of the world.🦋      🌻 🌻

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American futbol players are thumb suckers who could afford the camps, coaches, travel etc, not exactly the most gifted athletes.

In other nations some of their most gifted athletes (regardless of economic status)) are playing futbol.

For these reasons, expect continued underachieving in soccer

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39 minutes ago, Furious Styles said:

American futbol players are thumb suckers who could afford the camps, coaches, travel etc, not exactly the most gifted athletes.

In other nations some of their most gifted athletes (regardless of economic status)) are playing futbol.

For these reasons, expect continued underachieving in soccer

Maybe, maybe not. If you're good enough, top soccer players make as much as anyone. FWIW, I don't consider golfers top athletes, and you can make millions playing golf. 

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This should give soccer fans something to cheer about......I guess. Current top soccer players make a fortune the average ones, eh. NFL, MLB, NBA are better on the averages. Our LeBron does ok for not going to college, oh yeah.

2017 season - For the fourth straight year, Real Madrid's Ronaldo is the world’s highest-paid soccer player. The $93 million he banked in the last year also bests the earnings of every active professional athlete worldwide.

Of that, the reigning FIFA Player of the Year made $58 million from salary and bonus (before taxes) in the past year as he led his club in goal scoring on the way to a Spanish league title and back-to-back UEFA Championship wins. For perspective, his playing wages alone would rank him No. 3 on our list of soccer’s highest-paid. In comparison, LeBron James, the highest paid NBA player and oft-compared modern day Michael Jordan, made $31 million playing for the Cleveland Cavaliers this season. (Combined with his endorsements, he took home $86 million.)

Average Salaries in the MLS.....some older numbers for the world comparison:

The average annual salary for soccer players in the MLS for the 2013 season is $148,693.26. This average varies by player position. Goalkeepers earn an average of $85,296.48; defenders $109,119.61; midfielders $129,573.88; and forwards $251,805.21. League regulations, such as the designated player rule, affect overall averages. Designated players can make more than salary caps, making their salaries much higher than other players in the team. For example, the highest paid player in the MLS, Clint Dempsey, earns $4,913,004 per year, but the lowest salary in the league earns $31,125.

Professional soccer player salaries depend on league and country regulations, among other things. Learn more about the average soccer player's salary here.

Average Salaries in the NWSL

The National Women’s Soccer League manages women's professional soccer in the U.S. This league only started in 2013 and, as yet, does not have average salary figures. Women's soccer in the United States follows the worldwide trend in terms of earnings -- female players do not typically have the earning capacity of male players. Salaries in the NWSL range from $6,000 to $30,000 per year.

Professional soccer player salaries depend on league and country regulations, among other things. Learn more about the average soccer player's salary here.

Average Soccer Salaries Outside the U.S.

Soccer is a much bigger sport in other countries around the world, and players in foreign leagues have the potential to make a lot more money. For example, the average annual salary for top English Premier League players in 2012 was the equivalent of around $2,509,572 per year, although players in lower leagues earn far less. Individual salary rules set by clubs also affect league averages -- some pay far more than others. For example, players at Manchester City earned an average salary of $7,403,754 in the 2011/2012 season, and players at West Bromwich Albion made an average of $1,650,305 per year.

Professional soccer player salaries depend on league and country regulations, among other things. Learn more about the average soccer player's salary here.

Bonuses, Endorsements and Sponsorship

Professional soccer players don't just make a basic salary, and many earn extra through bonuses, sponsorship deals and endorsements. The amount that players can make is typically dependent on how good or well-known they are, and world-class players may make more money from these deals than they earn in salary. For example, David Beckham's salary when he played for Los Angeles Galaxy was $6,500,000 per year. According to a report in Forbes, his total earnings from his five years in the MLS came to $255 million.

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6 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Yeah but who can really watch a sport where little pansies go down holding their knees all the time as slow-mo catches the non-contact. Then the trainer gives a "miracle cure" and off they sprint to the next "collision". I'd rather go outside on a hike and watch the biannual Monarch Butterfly migrations through my part of the world.🦋      🌻 🌻

Ha, until they changed the rules, the same could be said for pro basketball. Led by the King of the floppers, Bill Laimbeer.

There's more action in the first five minutes of a soccer match than an entire baseball game- no wonder a lot of people consider baseball utterly boring, second only to golf. Regarding golf- we hashed this out years ago, and guys are entrenched in their opinions- but personally- I don't consider golf to be a sport- it's a skill.  

Thanks to MJP's article, US major league soccer has a long way to go to catch up in average salary to the European version- (looks like the equivalent of Class A baseball) probably why most of the top US soccer players play on European teams. We'd need to start filling up 60,000 seat stadiums and get major air time to catch up. 

Regarding FS' comments about top athletes, completely different skill set as opposed to playing football. Basketball may be close. Top Marathon runners would gas any NFL player in the first mile or two. Regarding football, I'm always fond of recalling Chris Collinsworth's story about the Bengal's soccer match. The Bengals were in a bar, and called the local semi-pro soccer team a bunch of wusses. Got challenged to a soccer match- the soccer guys were up 10-0 when the Bengals quit. So much for the "superior athletes".  

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Horse Sheet.  Soccer players are a bunch of fags.  Move to Shmucking Europe.  Sure, they can run.  But can they take contact?  F u c k no.  Rugby is the real sport, which I played for several years in Okinawa.  

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The FIFA boring soccer update today of the three key games the scores were 1-0, 1-0 and 1-1. 

Are you kidding who could watch this snoozefest? Zzzzzzzzoooooooo. :lol:

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9 hours ago, hoorta said:

Maybe, maybe not. If you're good enough, top soccer players make as much as anyone. FWIW, I don't consider golfers top athletes, and you can make millions playing golf. 

What's that got to do with my comment about why the US sucks at kickba.....I mean futbol ?

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21 hours ago, hoorta said:

Yeah Tom, the new model isn't Joe six pack, it's the guys with money. The NFL will survive with it's current business model, but I don't expect it to retain it's dominance forever. 

Futball- the soccer kind IS the dominant world sport, the USA was a little slow in recognizing it. Crap, Pele was a curiosity back then. Now? You have more kids in youth soccer than any other sport. Just a matter of time until the US produces a world class super-duper star on the order of Maradona or Reynaldo. We have guys like Altidore and a few others that are stars on the international level, just not enough yet to make us a serious World Cup contender. I said way back, it would take a generation of the kids playing soccer until they moved up to the coaching ranks for us to turn the corner- dead on. 

I admit- soccer is boring as hell to those that aren't interested in the game. But for one who played competitive hockey, if you think of soccer as a slow motion version of that- you appreciate it. The strategy and rules are similar. 

So get with the program- you wouldn't see premier league, and major league US soccer on TV if no one was watching. Gip was trying to argue with me- but he has his head up his a$$, the World Cup final is the most watched sporting event- period. World wide viewership makes our NFL Super Bowl minor league by comparison. 

What does Suck-er have to do with anything? Homosexuals actually think it is normal to consummate their "marriage" by putting their penis into the rectum of the guy they call their husband. That is popular too, but it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The NFL won't die in our lifetime nor in that of our kids.

Soccer is a **Mask** sport, for fukcing morons. Idiots follow soccer. Since there are so many idiots in the world, of course, soccer will remain a big sport. HOWEVER...........the problem soccer has, in addition to the homosexual infestation, is that there are too many teams, too many divisions, and..............it is a boring game. These penis puffers aren't going to flock to sports bars like NFL fans do. Also, since it doesn't take a huge skill set to play soccer, anyone can make the soccer team. This commonality will eventually stagnate this boring non-sport. It will eventually collapse under it's own weight.

Meanwhile, the NFL is indeed changing. It is not a matter of better, or worse, it is a matter of going here the money is, and not catering to the element that will support it no matter what.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, mjp28 said:

The FIFA boring soccer update today of the three key games the scores were 1-0, 1-0 and 1-1. 

Are you kidding who could watch this snoozefest? Zzzzzzzzoooooooo. :lol:

Three key games? There were only three games played. 

There were many attempts in at least two of them (the other one was Serbia-Costa Rica and I know anything about it).

It is all about perspective. If you ONLY value goals,  then you have a point, but goals are more scarce in soccer thus making them more exciting. I love american football but I tell you that I celebrate 10 times more a goal than a touchdown due to this condition.

Following that kind of perspective, the sport this board is about could be a bit lame because you are given 4 DOWNS TO ADVANCE 10 YARDS. And in baseball  IIRC very few batters reach even 0.500, meaning that more than half of the time there's absolutely nothing happening. 

EDIT. Both american football and baseball games average more than 3 hours of time. You have (in football's case) 1h of game clock. Real playing time? 10-12 minutes of REAL ACTION. 

Soccer: a match lasts 1h 45min, many times more than that because of extra time. Let's say 2h. You have a 1h 30min (90min) game clock, with 40mins of REAL ACTION. 

12/180 = 6.67 per cent of real action time per overall time. 

40/120 = 33.33 per cent of real action time per overall time in soccer.

See that I've been generous towards american sports and there's 5 times more action in soccer.

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6 hours ago, mjp28 said:

The FIFA boring soccer update today of the three key games the scores were 1-0, 1-0 and 1-1. 

Are you kidding who could watch this snoozefest? Zzzzzzzzoooooooo. :lol:

I did, Mexico - Germany. You guys must hate hockey too, where there isn't much scoring.

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While I absolutely loathe soccer, I am thoroughly enjoying the Blowhard's thread being hijacked by it. 

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On 6/17/2018 at 1:56 AM, hoorta said:

Yeah Tom, the new model isn't Joe six pack, it's the guys with money. The NFL will survive with it's current business model, but I don't expect it to retain it's dominance forever. 

Futball- the soccer kind IS the dominant world sport, the USA was a little slow in recognizing it. Crap, Pele was a curiosity back then. Now? You have more kids in youth soccer than any other sport. Just a matter of time until the US produces a world class super-duper star on the order of Maradona or Reynaldo. We have guys like Altidore and a few others that are stars on the international level, just not enough yet to make us a serious World Cup contender. I said way back, it would take a generation of the kids playing soccer until they moved up to the coaching ranks for us to turn the corner- dead on. 

I admit- soccer is boring as hell to those that aren't interested in the game. But for one who played competitive hockey, if you think of soccer as a slow motion version of that- you appreciate it. The strategy and rules are similar. 

So get with the program- you wouldn't see premier league, and major league US soccer on TV if no one was watching. Gip was trying to argue with me- but he has his head up his a$$, the World Cup final is the most watched sporting event- period. World wide viewership makes our NFL Super Bowl minor league by comparison. 

You are misrepresenting what I said......I have no doubt that more people watch the World Cup than watch the Super Bowl.   After all....it is an event that is held over like a month and a half with like 100 games played and is shown to like 200 nations in the world.  How can not more people watch it?

But, I would bet you that for a single game event....with viewership in a single country....the Super Bowl gets higher ratings. 

Maybe, just maybe.....the countries that are participating in the WC final may get ratings in those countries that might come close to matching those of the Super Bowl. Maybe...like in Germany or Argentina for the 2014 WC final.....but you will have to prove that to me.  (I could not find the figures for those countries)

Here is this:  

Sunday’s 2014 FIFA World Cup Final on ABC – a 1-0 victory in extra time over Argentina to secure Germany’s fourth World Cup title and first since 1990 – ranks as the most-watched Men’s World Cup Final match ever among viewers. Based on Nielsen fast nationals, the ABC telecast averaged 17,324,000 viewers and a 9.1 US HH rating for the game window (3-5:44 p.m. ET). It also ranks as the third most-viewed World Cup game – men’s or women’s – in the United States behind ESPN’s coverage of this year’s USA vs. Portugal match ever (18,220,000 viewers) and the 1999 FIFA Women’s World Cup Final on ABC (USA vs. China with 17,975,000 viewers).

So, here in the USA....that got  17 million viewers.   The most watched soccer game in US history got a bit over 18 million.

The Super Bowl gets  like 120 million viewers. 

 

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