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anyone own a 10mm semi auto?

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Just now, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Exactly what I was taught on spray vs weapon.ย  However, in grizzly country I would have a 45-70 marlin.ย  You ever seen one in the wild you would understand why.ย  They are big mofo's.ย ย 

I would consider a LAW.๐Ÿš€๐Ÿ’ฅ๐Ÿ˜œ

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All that said I did find this article on a guy who brought down an Alaskan Brown bear in 2016 with a 9mm using 147 gr ammo with similar characteristics to the one I will carry as a backup to bear spray. The recent development in deep penetration outdoor rounds for the 9 mm have come a long way. I've been thinking that one of those little hand held air horns might scare them off too. They are very loud.

https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2016/8/10/alaska-outfitter-defends-fishermen-from-raging-grizzly-with-9mm-pistol/

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why do those guides not take dogs with them that could give them pre warning one of those big cnts is close? the bear got within yds of them before they knew it was there from what it sounds like

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no, compact. I am concerned about the triggers - Logic is correct - the stock trigger would cause the gun to go off if dropped at a certain exact angle - it still passed the drop tests that didn't include that exact angle.

The military trigger didn't have that problem. Logic also mentioned QC problems - that is a concern -

but I am intrigued with the p320:

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/06/jacksonville-arkansas-police-department-transitions-to-sig-sauer-p320/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=f6efc2c618-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-f6efc2c618-20770865#axzz5IQJycS6D

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regarding the video - a fanny pack carry? "der"

I can draw very fast from my belt strip holster. There is the "21 foot" rule, which makes carrying

without a round in the chamber a bad thing.

If in bear country, I would carry the bear spray, AND a pistol....but being stalked by a black bear unknowingly, until it

gets after you... bear spray? who knows? I don't believe bear would have helped these bow hunters...especially if there was a good breeze blowing.

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That one charge "up Sheet creek" sure made my argument why I won't take my single action .357 mag in bear country as a primary. You get one shot.....two if you lucky. Also when I looked at the testing date I found that the Win. Ranger 147 gr. bonded had as much penetration and nearly the same final expansion as just about all the .357 rounds. Speaks to major improvement in the 9 mm ammo for backcountry.

But another thing I found when researching for bear sprays is that you can't really trust the ads.

Here is a funny video for biking in the woods. You can tell he uses a small caliber pistol to scare the bear at the end. I bet he had a heart attack when he saw the bear had put up a roadblock for his potential meals. Smart bear. LOL!

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I wouldn't be my life on a 9mm.ย  You would have to hit it between the eyes to kill it.

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15 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

That one charge "up Sheet creek" sure made my argument why I won't take my single action .357 mag in bear country as a primary. You get one shot.....two if you lucky. Also when I looked at the testing date I found that the Win. Ranger 147 gr. bonded had as much penetration and nearly the same final expansion as just about all the .357 rounds. Speaks to major improvement in the 9 mm ammo for backcountry.

But another thing I found when researching for bear sprays is that you can't really trust the ads.

Here is a funny video for biking in the woods. You can tell he uses a small caliber pistol to scare the bear at the end. I bet he had a heart attack when he saw the bear had put up a roadblock for his potential meals. Smart bear. LOL!

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This was taken in Cuyahoga National park......

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I will carry bear spray first and foremost. But here is why you need to compare. This guy has used this a while on hikes because of the hype. But look what happens when he tests it out.

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6 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

This was taken in Cuyahoga National park......

LOL! So now grizzlies live S of Cleveland I see.๐Ÿ˜‚

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5 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

I will carry bear spray first and foremost. But here is why you need to compare. This guy has used this a while on hikes because of the hype. But look what happens when he tests it out.

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there's your capitalist bear spray you ngrs. There it is. Some company that hasn't the slightest idea how to manufacture a competent delivery system is allowed to market and brand this failspray as an "effective deterrent" to a bear attack. I also wouldn't be surprised if that company sued this guy for putting this video on youtube and letting people know what a collosal fail their product is.ย 

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I don't know why im surprised but still, can't believe some company put out a product that fails to deliver a concentrated spray like 6 or 7 ft away which is already the dead zone if a bear gets that close. You are literally in the bears paw strike distance at the max point of that cloud.ย 

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LOL! I bet he could bearly see his way home to his mama.๐Ÿ™ˆ

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I looked at the original M&P - compact, but a half inch shorter barrel than the M&P 2.0.

and the Shield.

I wonder about the springfield xds, haven't seen it.

Saw a very cool Honor Defense Captain America version:

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ccw pistol shopping hell.

Walter ppq/pps

subcompacts too small,

compacts too big.

need hybrid.

So far, original M&P compact is all I've found.

I like the shield...

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3 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

ccw pistol shopping hell.

Walter ppq/pps

subcompacts too small,

compacts too big.

need hybrid.

So far, original M&P compact is all I've found.

I like the shield...

I liked that one as well. But I've owned Rugers all my life and just could not make the switch. And the one I got is very easy to conceal and extremely accurate so I'm happy. Never have had a hung round in a Ruger semi-auto pistol. I can't say that about the Kel-Tec P11 that was stolen from me. Glad it was stolen. Gave me an excuse to go shopping. That Kel-Tec made me "gunshy" about switching to any other brand ever again, so back to the Rugers.๐Ÿ˜

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3 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

ccw pistol shopping hell.

Walter ppq/pps

subcompacts too small,

compacts too big.

need hybrid.

So far, original M&P compact is all I've found.

I like the shield...

If you like the Shield, you really canโ€™t go wrong with it. I own the 2.0 compact and like it a bunch. I swapped out to an Apex trigger but that is personal preference.

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3 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

I liked that one as well. But I've owned Rugers all my life and just could not make the switch. And the one I got is very easy to conceal and extremely accurate so I'm happy. Never have had a hung round in a Ruger semi-auto pistol. I can't say that about the Kel-Tec P11 that was stolen from me. Glad it was stolen. Gave me an excuse to go shopping. That Kel-Tec made me "gunshy" about switching to any other brand ever again, so back to the Rugers.๐Ÿ˜

i wish they made a 10mm american. love that gun.

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the 2.0 and others of the same size, seem like tougher to conceal with just a loose tshirt. Maybe not, but I haven't tried it yet.

QUESTION:

ย  With all the intentional screwing around with mag size, etc etc...on a few state and some local governments...

I'm wondering if I should keep to 10 rounds or less, since inevitably, we might go cross country, and eventually in some state or city -

they will pass a law making over ten rounds mags illegal. Kinda makes me think I don't want double stack? Plenty of time to shop around. Worked most of the day putting up fence around my big garden, and weed whacking. 92 degrees - grey sweatpants (to see any ticks better, never saw any) and long sleeve shirt - (in case I kept on to the vicious multi-flora rose thorns)... way too hot after a while.

ย ย ย  Almost could have gone gun shopping but it was Sunday.

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