Jonathan Paul Manziel

[jim_brown]

all this hoyer v. manziel talk is just that....at the end of the season the brown's management will make their decision re hoyer and manziel.....maybe hoyer will play lights out and take the browns to the Super Bowl and get the big long term contract he wants, but then again, maybe he won't.....anyone can have an opinion, but until the season's over, or the browns lose 2-3 in a row, with real bad qb play, that status quo will remain.....in the meantime, if he's smart, manziel will make good use of this time and work as hard as he can to learn all that he can......it should have become obvious to him by now that a large part of a quarter back's success in the nfl is a function of what goes on in his head, can he quickly make good reads, decipher defenses, manage the offense to get it in a positive rhythm, etc......manziel may provide an extra dimension because of his athleticism but that alone isn't sufficient, he needs to learn how to be a smart nfl quarterback.....i look forward to seeing him play, hopefully with the browns, but if not there, for another team.....my sense is he will succeed, but only time will tell....

[DieHardBrownsFan]

What reputable spots are open until 02:00 Downtown?

 

Regardless of reputation, who here has ever "hung out" with Mom until the wee hours?

 

And did Oedipus invent the money sign?

Your anti JFF is showing loud and clear, again.

[Tour2ma]

Your anti JFF is showing loud and clear, again.

At least you didn't play the "hater" card...

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

The Browns did not draft Manziel as a "marketing ploy" otherwise Jacksonville would have snatched him up. The Browns don't have problems selling tickets.

 

He was their #1 ranked QB. End of story.

 

Nobody knows what he will do on the field and that can be debated all day.

Doubt it.

 

 

Bottles was likely their #1 ranked QB.

 

You don't trade back when your #1 ranked QB is on the board.

[Ibleedbrown]

+1

[Tour2ma]

Johnny almost every record there is. He put up POINTS.. hes FAST.. he is ACCURATE.. he has a GREAT ARM.. and he has excellent INSTINCTS.. he has a HIGH IQ... he is a LEADER.. he WORKS HARD (like before training camp he was working with the QB trainer every day in the sun for 6 months leading up to the draft)!! He PLAYS HARD! He NEVER GIVES UP...

 

Every one of the things I wrote up there are true.

Mostly what you wrote are subjective things that are true for you... not me... not at the Pro level anyway.

 

As for the couple objective things you list... Points? Sure. IQ? Maybe, if you buy the Wunderlich. But FAST? No...

 

Sorry, but 4.63 is not "FAST" in the NFL. LBs run 4.63 in the NFL. What he objectively is, however, is agile. He is also subjectively COMPETITVE... even hyper-competitive... which is what a number of your hand-waving "truths" boil down to, IMO. Channeled, COMPETITIVENESS is a very powerful trait for propelling excellence. Unchanneled, it's a recipe for disaster.

 

Unfortunately JM is also very IMMATURE and maturity is the key ingredient in controlling, or channeling, talent.

 

I am a skeptic (surprise). So far JM has done nothing as a Brown to earn my fan loyalty... moreover he hasn't yet earned my fan respect. That is our, JM's and my, first step. Earning my fan respect does not even require him to step on the field.

 

So far it been one-step forward (usually by saying the "right things"), followed by a "doing-something-thoughtlessly-stupid", one-step back.

 

Still stuck in neutral here... and waiting. apparently just like the Browns' Staff and FO.

 

Johnny is in a great situation, I agree. He doesn't need any help working like a professional, though. He's always worked hard and been a good teammate.

 

It would help if the media and crazy "fans" didn't follow him around like the pied piper, but Manziel sells. It's the price you pay for being a superstar. Johnny didn't ask for that, his play on the field made him an espn darling, and "Manziel news" has been beaten to death ever since.

Wow... hadn't heard this line of rationalization since Week 4 or so...

 

Have you checked his jersey sales lately?

 

Tim Couch ran the Air Raid.. Nick Foles.. Kevin Kolb..John Beck.. Case Keenum..Brandon Weeden..Geno Smith.. Max Hall..

 

Not the best track record I will admit

 

However.. I would also like to talk about Case Keenum.. EXTREMELY underrated in the NFL.. the kid put up #'s but is getting looked over in my opinion.. Hes pretty good

lol... Understate much?

 

I liked Case, too. Saw a few of his UH games and thought he had a shot at being a good Pro QB. He may still, but in his 8 starts for HOU he did not display the capability I would have expected. The pro game looked to fast for him.

 

Maybe it was a system issue? Maybe in Kelly's system in Philly he'd fare better, but then I think a lot of QBs would fair well in Kelly's system.

 

Then again... Is it as odd as it looks to think that Kelly's system might cure a case of the "too fasts"???

[hoorta]

Mostly what you wrote are subjective things that are true for you... not me... not at the Pro level anyway.

 

As for the couple objective things you list... Points? Sure. IQ? Maybe, if you buy the Wunderlich. But FAST? No...

 

Sorry, but 4.63 is not "FAST" in the NFL. LBs run 4.63 in the NFL. What he objectively is, however, is agile. He is also subjectively COMPETITVE... even hyper-competitive... which is what a number of your hand-waving "truths" boil down to, IMO. Channeled, COMPETITIVENESS is a very powerful trait for propelling excellence. Unchanneled, it's a recipe for disaster.

 

Right "fast" in the NFL is around 4.4 or better. Darryl Green ran a clocked 4.2 now that's "fast".

Unfortunately JM is also very IMMATURE and maturity is the key ingredient in controlling, or channeling, talent.

 

I am a skeptic (surprise). So far JM has done nothing as a Brown to earn my fan loyalty... moreover he hasn't yet earned my fan respect. That is our, JM's and my, first step. Earning my fan respect does not even require him to step on the field.

 

So far it been one-step forward (usually by saying the "right things"), followed by a "doing-something-thoughtlessly-stupid", one-step back.

 

Still stuck in neutral here... and waiting. apparently just like the Browns' Staff and FO.

 

 

Wow... hadn't heard this line of rationalization since Week 4 or so...

 

Have you checked his jersey sales lately?

 

 

lol... Understate much?

 

I liked Case, too. Saw a few of his UH games and thought he had a shot at being a good Pro QB. He may still, but in his 8 starts for HOU he did not display the capability I would have expected. The pro game looked to fast for him.

 

Maybe it was a system issue? Maybe in Kelly's system in Philly he'd fare better, but then I think a lot of QBs would fair well in Kelly's system.

 

Then again... Is it as odd as it looks to think that Kelly's system might cure a case of the "too fasts"???

 

I watched most of the Eagle's game today- Kelley has apparently performed the miracle of turning Sanchez into a competent qb.

 

To the Manziel fans- Tour pretty much echoes my sentiments. Sure he was a great COLLEGE qb. Until he can replicate that in the Pros, it doesn't mean diddly-doo.

 

The young 'uns think JFF flipping off that world is a cool thing, getting plastered all over Youtube and Instagram - well, Tour nailed it. Immaturity. Guess what- that real Cleveland Icon- you know- the guy who has a 80' poster of himself outside Quicken, the guy who has a couple MVPs, and Championship rings- the guy who was practicing with the Cavs when he was in eighth grade- seems he has NO trouble staying out of the spotlight with his personal life. Funny funny you can ditto that with Andrew Luck - managed to get himself the key code to the private entrance at St Elmo's in Indy- just like Peyton Manning when he wants to take his pals out to dinner. Until JFF drops the attention whore attitude, he's going to get everything he's asking for- and a whole lot more.

 

Some of us old farts have been around long enough to see guys who were stud qbs- and put up huge numbers in the NCAA flame out like a meteor in the NFL. All I think we're saying is if you think Manziel "cant miss" we've seen far too many guys with that tag- miss.

[Mudfly]

 

 

Some of us old farts have been around long enough to see guys who were stud qbs- and put up huge numbers in the NCAA flame out like a meteor in the NFL. All I think we're saying is if you think Manziel "cant miss" we've seen far too many guys with that tag- miss.

This says it all for me......

 

Ive seen SO many "once in a lifetime" cant miss talents flame out that Ive lost count. And JFF's not even that.....just another #21like weeden and quinn.....

[HoundDawg]

Add me to those who have been around long enough to see many "star" football players at the college level crash and burn in the nfl. Our skepticism is legitimate. I am also in the same boat as Tour when he mentioned the lack of respect. Johnny hasn't earned my respect yet, either. I think he's been trained to say the right thing, but I have to see that he can consistently do the right thing. That's the part that hasn't impressed me. Add to it the type of offense he ran in college is known for inflating stats and being difficult to follow up at the pro level. Can Johnny run any type of offense or only the kind that has to be catered to him? Offensive coordinators come and go and bring their own schemes with them. Ask RGIII. Are we assuming he can play in poor weather conditions? He never even saw snow until he moved to Cleveland. why would we make the assumption it won't have any affect on his game? I've seen so many comparisons to Russell Wilson, but the fact is, he's not Russell Wilson. Wilson is far more mature, and was running a pro style offense in college for a longer time. Short and quick/agile are the qualities he's shares with Wilson and one of those is a negative for his success at this level. Wilson has overcome that by playing smart. The uber competitiveness coupled with the immaturity is another thing that worries me about Johnny's transition. Will he be able to tame that wild streak that will cause him to throw INT's or take a lot of unnecessary hits? I also totally disagree that Johnny would win these games the same as Hoyer. What proof is there of that at all? Bortles, Carr, and Bridgewater? I have no idea what Johnny will or can be at this level and the fact is, no fan does. The coaches might have some idea by now, but we have none.

 

I can see Hoyer's limitations, but i also believe he can get better. He's not a rookie in his knowledge of the game, but he is inexperienced as a starter, and coming back from a major knee injury. We know he can learn and run different types of offenses. We know he's never out of the game. We know we have a winning record for the first time in years. We know we can count on him to do the work and prepare. I respect him and I trust him. It seems the team does as well.

 

It's crazy talk to me to think about benching Hoyer when we're winning for a rookie that we have no guarantees can or will do better.

 

I feel like we should be thanking Hoyer, not trashing him and trying to run him out of town or put him on the bench. He's put up with a lot through all the Manziel Mania and deserves nothing but respect and gratitude, IMO.

[PlaygroundLegend]

At least I know what Im saying isnt falling on Deaf ears.

 

Im not saying Johnny is "Cant Miss".. There is no such thing.. not even Luck or Manning were "Cant Miss" prospects.

 

What I am trying to curb is people calling him a bust and saying he has no chance in the NFL before he even sets foot on the field.

 

Im guessing the raging against Manziel is all Hyperbole due to the neccesity of protecting the Home Town Hero who is winning us games.. I get it.. really I do.. we are winning and I am happy, and I thank Brian for all he has done. However I just cant help but feel due to some of the responses in this thread and others that for some reason.. SOME people.. WANT Johnny to fail. They WANT our first round draft pick who we traded up to get to fail.. why? BEcause they just dont like him. They dont like the way he plays, or the way he walks, talks, etc.. Which I can understand for some types of people.. but dont wish for him to fail. He wears Brown and Orange.. and as long as those are the colors he represents.. we should support him

[gftChris]

At least I know what Im saying isnt falling on Deaf ears.

 

Im not saying Johnny is "Cant Miss".. There is no such thing.. not even Luck or Manning were "Cant Miss" prospects.

 

What I am trying to curb is people calling him a bust and saying he has no chance in the NFL before he even sets foot on the field.

 

Im guessing the raging against Manziel is all Hyperbole due to the neccesity of protecting the Home Town Hero who is winning us games.. I get it.. really I do.. we are winning and I am happy, and I thank Brian for all he has done. However I just cant help but feel due to some of the responses in this thread and others that for some reason.. SOME people.. WANT Johnny to fail. They WANT our first round draft pick who we traded up to get to fail.. why? BEcause they just dont like him. They dont like the way he plays, or the way he walks, talks, etc.. Which I can understand for some types of people.. but dont wish for him to fail. He wears Brown and Orange.. and as long as those are the colors he represents.. we should support him

I disagree. I'm sure one or two would love nothing more than for Johnny Football to be Johnny Bust, but for the most part, people are concerned with his body, whether his style of play will translate well to the NFL and, if it does, his body will stand up to it. What we (and yes, I'm in this group) are longing to see is him being devoted to the team and the craft in a similar way to Hoyer - who was just as professional I'm sure in his other teams - but instead, in the offseason particularly, we see him up to all sorts of things, and then more news coming out about his off-field distractions - whether he earned it or not.

 

Personally, I'd love to see him get a game or two at the end of the season if our playoff fate is already determined, as I think he'd be well suited to the offense we have, but there are, IMO, legitimate concerns about his transition to the NFL, both on and off the field.

[Aggie Brown fan]

I agree, for the most part, people on this site want Johnny to succeed. Undoubtedly, there are many who don't. Whether that's because they like hoyer or don't like Johnny, it's indisputable.

 

And I get it. Many Aggie fans were glad to see Johnny go. They were tired of the off-field stuff. But my answer to that is that he is the same person on and off the field. You don't respect him. He doesn't care. You don't want him going to Vegas on his own time, hurting nobody in the process, screw you. You have by far the better team and are going to pound his skinny ass, he is not phased and puts 600 yards on you.

 

Johnny is who he is. The "problems" he has off the field are the same traits that make great coaches hate playing against him on the field. His off-field actions will probably change as he gets older, but he is nowhere near the first guy who likes to have fun off the field and can still thrive on the field.

 

It won't be easy, and he will have struggles, but it took Hoyer 5 years to become a starter. It's been 8 months since Johnny became a Brown. Cut him some slack. What has he done off the field that's so bad??? Rape? Domestic violence? Drunk driving? Positive drug tests?

 

No. Commercials, pictures, some idiot accosting him at 2 am, a Vegas trip. Is that really so bad?

 

And btw, I'm not a young 'un. I just see greatness in Manziel and I can't wait to see him get on the field to prove me right (or wrong).

[Tour2ma]

Can Johnny run any type of offense or only the kind that has to be catered to him? Offensive coordinators come and go and bring their own schemes with them.

Per one of our Senior Ag arrivals, and one of the few that is still here, Sumlin scrapped his Offense to maximize JM's playground style.

 

At least I know what Im saying isnt falling on Deaf ears.

 

What I am trying to curb is people calling him a bust and saying he has no chance in the NFL before he even sets foot on the field.

 

Im guessing the raging against Manziel is all Hyperbole due to the neccesity of protecting the Home Town Hero who is winning us games.. I get it.. really I do.. we are winning and I am happy, and I thank Brian for all he has done. However I just cant help but feel due to some of the responses in this thread and others that for some reason.. SOME people.. WANT Johnny to fail. They WANT our first round draft pick who we traded up to get to fail.. why? BEcause they just dont like him. They dont like the way he plays, or the way he walks, talks, etc.. Which I can understand for some types of people.. but dont wish for him to fail. He wears Brown and Orange.. and as long as those are the colors he represents.. we should support him

Yup we read posts... what a concept for a forum...

 

Some do say "no chance", "wasted pick" and other things. I think the odds started at "not good", but there is a chance. It is dwindling though with every "incident".

• Charlie Frye was hometown. We cut him no slack once it was clear he did not have "it".
• Bernie was hometown... loved him to death, because he loved and wanted us... and he nearly took us to the promised land. It was tough to say good-bye... but for who he was... not where he was from.
• Sipe wasn't hometown, but we loved him just the same.

The whole home-town thing is just a bonus. Using it as your primary reason/ rationalization for why BH is embraced by Browns fans, and JM is not universally loved, is just intellectually lazy. Give it up if you want to be taken seriously...

 

Johnny is who he is. The "problems" he has off the field are the same traits that make great coaches hate playing against him on the field. His off-field actions will probably change as he gets older, but he is nowhere near the first guy who likes to have fun off the field and can still thrive on the field.

How long do we have to wait?

 

I assume the common trait is recklessness... yes? Exactly why I did not want to draft him high and still believe the odds of his success at the Pro level are not good.

 

The way I put it through our Pre and Post draft JM debates is: Can you take away what makes JM risky without also taking away what makes him special?

 

I did not think so then. I do not think so now. Thanks for your support...

[Mudfly]

At least I know what Im saying isnt falling on Deaf ears.

 

Im not saying Johnny is "Cant Miss".. There is no such thing.. not even Luck or Manning were "Cant Miss" prospects.

 

What I am trying to curb is people calling him a bust and saying he has no chance in the NFL before he even sets foot on the field.

 

.. SOME people.. WANT Johnny to fail. They WANT our first round draft pick who we traded up to get to fail.. why?

Listen....we all hear ya.....90% of us.....but, no matter what, there are gonna be people who disagree with you. Especially with a figure as polarizing as Johnny...why bang your head against the wall trying to get EVERYONE to agree with you?.....

 

The only people who "WANT" JFF to actually fail are people with a personal agenda. Not a Browns agenda. As there is no real fan that doesn't want our players to do well.

 

So, if someone wants JFF to fail, they are:

A ) A rival fan

B ) A Hoyer homer

C ) Someone that wants to be able to say "I told ya so"

D ) Someone who just doesn't like him personally

 

So, until he plays and this is settled once and for all, the extremists need to understand that the other extremists aint changing their minds.

 

10% = POSITIVE he'll be a bust

10% = POSITIVE he'll be a Superstar

80% = Hmmm, dunno, but I sure hope he does well

[Unsympathetic]

Being a professional is NOT just working hard.. being a professional is precisely the daily habits [arrives early, leaves late] that are JFF's weakness.

[Aggie Brown fan]

Not recklessness, fearlessness. I admit, one can turn into the other, but I wouldn't call him reckless. He May always have such terrible off-field "incidents" as:

 

1. Going to cavs games and hanging out with Lebron.

 

2. Using his own money to go to places like Vegas.

 

3. Having pictures taken of him at those places.

 

4. Trying to get into his home when accosted by someone who recognizes him.

 

These horrible "incidents" will have no bearing on his success or failure.

 

But I'm sure the rest of the league is crying in their glasses of tea while reading the Bible when they hear about these terrible "incidents" Johnny is involved in.

[Mudfly]

These horrible "incidents" will have no bearing on his success or failure.

 

You keep defending his activities, instead understand that "perception" is everything.

 

Whether they are horrible acts or not...and whether they have an ultimate bearing on his play or not......they create an image that a lot of people dont like.....it's that simple.......like I said above, he is "polarizing".....love him or hate him...

 

Now, what you should at least TRY to accept, is that GIVEN THE CHOICE, we'd prefer to have a QB who we "perceive" to be mature, likable and hardworking.

 

Doesn't mean we wont take him. But it's more fun to be a fan when you REALLY like the player and it's easier to get behind them when they are VISIBLY more into the community and the team, than themselves, their brand, trademarks, partying, hanging with celebs, etc........

 

So, compared to a Bernie, Hoyer, Brady or Manning.....Johnny comes off as a bit of an immature schmuck. And a lot of people would rather he didn't. Thats all.

 

And PLEASE.....NO NEED to give me the whole "Johnnys great Because" list AGAIN.....I get it, you disagree. I get it. really.

[Aggie Brown fan]

Mudfly, agreed. I'm in the 80%, though some don't believe that. I am banging my head against a wall when neither of the 10%'ers will be convinced either way til Johnny hits the field.

 

No more, let's just beat the shit outta the Bills.

[Mudfly]

And I assure you....Im totally riding the Hoyer train for now, but promise you I will be on the edge of my seat and the biggest JFF fan around.........the second he steps on the field....

[Aggie Brown fan]

He can't control people's perceptions, and he won't let that change his lifestyle. He is who he is, on the field and off.

 

Believe it or not, he is likeable and hardworking, but you rarely hear about that.

[Aggie Brown fan]

I'm with you on Hoyer, he has exceeded all expectations and it should be his team the rest of the season, barring something crazy happening.

[Tour2ma]

Not recklessness, fearlessness. I admit, one can turn into the other, but I wouldn't call him reckless. He May always have such terrible off-field "incidents" as:

 

1. Going to cavs games and hanging out with Lebron.

 

2. Using his own money to go to places like Vegas.

 

3. Having pictures taken of him at those places.

 

4. Trying to get into his home when accosted by someone who recognizes him.

 

These horrible "incidents" will have no bearing on his success or failure.

 

But I'm sure the rest of the league is crying in their glasses of tea while reading the Bible when they hear about these terrible "incidents" Johnny is involved in.

Did anyone use the adjective "horrible" besides you?

 

It's called a "pattern of behavior".

 

While I know you'd prefer that use of JM's collegiate record be restricted to on-field performance, there were a few incidents back then as well.

[Aggie Brown fan]

No, you call them "incidents". They are not that, either. They are overblown reactions to a guy living his life.

[Tour2ma]

Yeah...

 

You're right...

 

After all... we all get arrested for supplying a Police Officer with false identity documents sooner or later.

 

Just another "rites of passage" moment...

[Aggie Brown fan]

I'm talking about since he was a brown. But I would expect you to bring that up since its 2 and a half years ago. Whatever, it proves my point even more. Even with this arrest, he went on to have a great two years at A&M.

 

Off-field pictures, trips to Vegas, etc, will have NOTHIMG to do with his success or failure in the NFL.

[The Gipper]

At least I know what Im saying isnt falling on Deaf ears.

 

Im not saying Johnny is "Cant Miss".. There is no such thing.. not even Luck or Manning were "Cant Miss" prospects.

 

What I am trying to curb is people calling him a bust and saying he has no chance in the NFL before he even sets foot on the field.

 

I wasn't really calling him a bust.....at least that is not my intent. I merely pointed out that mathematically about 50% of the people in his same situation, i.e. first round QBs were historically busts. That is a concern for the Browns fans....as this team has contributed mightily to that stat with the likes of Quinn/Weeden/Phipps/Agannis/Garrett. (and I was not even counting Couch as a bust)

I am only hoping that they odds turn in our favor for once.

 

Im guessing the raging against Manziel is all Hyperbole due to the neccesity of protecting the Home Town Hero who is winning us games.. I get it.. really I do.. we are winning and I am happy, and I thank Brian for all he has done. However I just cant help but feel due to some of the responses in this thread and others that for some reason.. SOME people.. WANT Johnny to fail. They WANT our first round draft pick who we traded up to get to fail.. why? BEcause they just dont like him. They dont like the way he plays, or the way he walks, talks, etc.. Which I can understand for some types of people.. but dont wish for him to fail. He wears Brown and Orange.. and as long as those are the colors he represents.. we should support him

[The Gipper]

I agree, for the most part, people on this site want Johnny to succeed. Undoubtedly, there are many who don't. Whether that's because they like hoyer or don't like Johnny, it's indisputable.

 

Or, I think a lot are against Johnny not because they are against Johnny but because they are against the army of Johnny sycophants.

 

[PlaygroundLegend]

Per one of our Senior Ag arrivals, and one of the few that is still here, Sumlin scrapped his Offense to maximize JM's playground style.

 

 

Yup we read posts... what a concept for a forum...

 

Some do say "no chance", "wasted pick" and other things. I think the odds started at "not good", but there is a chance. It is dwindling though with every "incident".

• Charlie Frye was hometown. We cut him no slack once it was clear he did not have "it".
• Bernie was hometown... loved him to death, because he loved and wanted us... and he nearly took us to the promised land. It was tough to say good-bye... but for who he was... not where he was from.
• Sipe wasn't hometown, but we loved him just the same.

The whole home-town thing is just a bonus. Using it as your primary reason/ rationalization for why BH is embraced by Browns fans, and JM is not universally loved, is just intellectually lazy. Give it up if you want to be taken seriously...

 

 

How long do we have to wait?

 

I assume the common trait is recklessness... yes? Exactly why I did not want to draft him high and still believe the odds of his success at the Pro level are not good.

 

The way I put it through our Pre and Post draft JM debates is: Can you take away what makes JM risky without also taking away what makes him special?

 

I did not think so then. I do not think so now. Thanks for your support...

 

 

See this is the kind of stuff im talking about "exactly why I did not want to draft him high and still believe the odds of his success at the Pro level are not good."... what is that? Johnny has the same odds as everyone else. Actaully.. his odds are better than most others due to his draft vstatus.. as there are more successful QBs drafted in the first round than any other round... Period.

 

Also to addres your Brian Hoyer comment.. c'mon.. do you really think if Brian Hoyer wasnt from Cleveland that he wouldnt have been pulled by now? Honestly? He never would have had had as much fan support if he wasnt from here... it has been made a very big deal. Yes his play backed it up.. but it wouldve been much EASIER for the staff to make a change if he wasnt.

Being a professional is NOT just working hard.. being a professional is precisely the daily habits [arrives early, leaves late] that are JFF's weakness.

 

weaknesses?

 

Johnny as said by the coaching staff is the epitome of a profesisonal in building. Hes in the playbook.. comes in early stays late gets extra reps in with the WRs.. he's done all that. o Im not sure where you are getting this from?

 

The only difference between him and Hoyer is Brian has a wife.. Johnny doesnt.. so when Johnny is out on the town.. Brian is home watching movies with his wife.

 

How does these 2 things affect football? Do you think Brian is at home breaking down film with his wife.. going over X's and O's? get real.. they all have free time.. just because Johnny spends his out and about doesnt make him any less of a professional

[Zombo]

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/11/johnny_manziel_has_his_say_abo.html

BEREA, Ohio -- Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel gave his version of the fight story from Friday night, stressing that he was accosted by a "very intoxicated, very aggressive person'' who was "putting his hands on'' Manziel and "toying'' with him.

Here are few excerpts:

"My mom was in town over the course of this past week, ended up going to dinner with my mother and my roommate. As I got back to my apartment (at The 9) later that night, my apartment is located in the lobby of a hotel as well, and as I was waiting for an elevator, I was approached by what has been made out to be a fan.

"And at this point in the night this was a very intoxicated, very aggressive person that approached me in the lobby, putting his hands on me, kind of toying with me as I got back, just kind of trying to kind my own business and get upstairs to my room.

"As this man kept attempting to come at me, just being extremely aggressive, and as we tried to coax him into getting into his elevator and going on about the night, the guy got very aggressive and luckily for us....security was able to get things under wraps.

"(He) came at my roommate. It all happened very fast...There was no entourage with me. I was with one other person and my mother was upstairs, so it's about as much entourage as you get being with my mom.

"As it escalated and it got a little out of control, security got it under wraps and I was able to get up into my room.''

He said it was a situation that "tried to be averted at all costs and one that unfortunately (I was) not able to really get away from.''

Manziel's face showed no signs that someone "smashed him in the face, smashed him, smashed him'' as Sandusky native Chris Gonos, the man who first approached Manziel, described to clevescene.com.

Manziel wouldn't say if he was hit or if he threw punches. Gonos told clevescene.com that Manziel "sucker-punched'' his brother. Manziel said it was more about what was happening to his roommate, Dana Kirk. He declined to elaborate on the details of the scuffle.

He said neither he nor Kirk plans to press charges and that the security video would corroborate his version of the story.

More to come soon on Manziel's version of events.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

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