Ibleedbrown Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I have been in that place. And there are camera's EVERYWHERE TMZ should have the footage in less then a week. I would expect them to have it in UNDER a weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I would expect them to have it in UNDER a weak. HA! i see it. just waitin for the rabbit to come through the trail and SNAG!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie Brown fan Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Upper lip, your ass is showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 It's mind boggling that some people have nothing better to do than trash talk a back up quarterback. Instead of wishing him success in the hopefully unlikely event Hoyer gets injured, you spew out the vulgarities and expect everyone to hop on board. Let me remind you: Aaron Rodgers was a back up as was Philip Rivers, Drew Brees Terry Bradshaw, Kurt Warner, Brian Hoyer, Tom Brady, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Eli Manning etc. We saw Sam Bradford, Carson Palmer, Nick Foles, Ryan Mallet all go down for the year. I'll bet their fans weren't ripping the backup to the point of exhaustion. I believe he gets a pass until he has the chance to prove otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Awesome Eric Berry straight to JF during halftime show. You remind me of someone. Did you ever play football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Johnny's mom Is probably a balla just like him. No doubt she parties till 2am. This guy is lucky he got off how he did, cause we all know JF could have thrown him through walls with his brute strength. Although on the other hand he also could have just gazed into the mans eyes putting a hypnosis on him. Johnny does what johnny wants though. That's all? Johnny has so much power- he stares at the guy and his head blows up like in Scanners. It's mind boggling that some people have nothing better to do than trash talk a back up quarterback. Instead of wishing him success in the hopefully unlikely event Hoyer gets injured, you spew out the vulgarities and expect everyone to hop on board. Let me remind you: Aaron Rodgers was a back up as was Philip Rivers, Drew Brees Terry Bradshaw, Kurt Warner, Brian Hoyer, Tom Brady, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Eli Manning etc. We saw Sam Bradford, Carson Palmer, Nick Foles, Ryan Mallet all go down for the year. I'll bet their fans weren't ripping the backup to the point of exhaustion. I believe he gets a pass until he has the chance to prove otherwise. Not ripping on JFF at all- just having a little fun. I think Furnier has it right- this dickhead wanted to cause a scene so he could sue Manziel LOL, he could have been like Sir Charles Barkley when that fan heckled him in the Flats way back- just picked him up- and thrown his ass through a window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside5 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I don't think the Browns FO is going to be pleased with Johnny Sideshow. His days could be numbered. Conner Shaw may be moving up on the depth chart. LOL GO BROWNS ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I don't think the Browns FO is going to be pleased with Johnny Sideshow. His days could be numbered. Conner Shaw may be moving up on the depth chart. LOL GO BROWNS ! The Cleveland fan rep for chasing off QB's way before they have a chance to do anything seems well earned. This QB hasn't even played more than a few downs and you are ready to can him? Really? Good thing Pettine has more sense than many "fans". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andruw u? Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Ok, someone said something, someone punched someone, was it a punch, a fight, a riot, Ms. JFF, an entourage, the other drunk asshole's fault, whatever, I'm not trying to figure that BS out. So, what I know is a few hours after practice, meetings, etc. Friday and a few hours before getting on the plane to Atlanta, the 1st round QB (de facto future leader of the franchise) who hasn't proven jack-squat so far is testing the theory of - nothing good happens at 3 a.m. I don't need to speculate or exaggerate anything to ask, do you think Johnny was giving himself a 100% chance of being 100% prepared to play Sunday had his number been called? If you're a pro - in any field - who's been around long enough and proven himself, then you rightly get more benefit of the doubt. No matter what you believe about Johnny and what's true or what's a problem, is he at the point where an employer (coach, GM, owner) or co-worker (teammate) says, even just within their heads, "That deal last night was dumb/bad luck/inconsequential/who knows, but we know Johnny. It doesn't have anything to do with Johnny getting the job done."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 2AM drug deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The Cleveland fan rep for chasing off QB's way before they have a chance to do anything seems well earned. Because they all went on to greatness? How do you think we should have kept around ... Frye? Quinn? McCoy? Weeden? Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Ok, someone said something, someone punched someone, was it a punch, a fight, a riot, Ms. JFF, an entourage, the other drunk asshole's fault, whatever, I'm not trying to figure that BS out. So, what I know is a few hours after practice, meetings, etc. Friday and a few hours before getting on the plane to Atlanta, the 1st round QB (de facto future leader of the franchise) who hasn't proven jack-squat so far is testing the theory of - nothing good happens at 3 a.m. I don't need to speculate or exaggerate anything to ask, do you think Johnny was giving himself a 100% chance of being 100% prepared to play Sunday had his number been called? If you're a pro - in any field - who's been around long enough and proven himself, then you rightly get more benefit of the doubt. No matter what you believe about Johnny and what's true or what's a problem, is he at the point where an employer (coach, GM, owner) or co-worker (teammate) says, even just within their heads, "That deal last night was dumb/bad luck/inconsequential/who knows, but we know Johnny. It doesn't have anything to do with Johnny getting the job done."? At a minimum the time of the "incident" is a concern... even if JM had a note from Mom... http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/24/ray-farmer-on-manziel-the-time-of-the-incident-is-concerning/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 What do gay horses eat? HAAAYY! That's a lot funnier in person. McConaughey is way to tall though. More like Tom Cruise. With a lotta botox. Both McConaughey and Cruise are old enough to be JFFs daddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The Cleveland fan rep for chasing off QB's way before they have a chance to do anything seems well earned. This QB hasn't even played more than a few downs and you are ready to can him? Really? Good thing Pettine has more sense than many "fans". Really? Name a single QB that the Browns have "chased off" that has gone on to do "anything". Anything other than being a pine rider. By the way, I will give you the answer: it is: No one, nobody......at least not since they ran off Len Dawson in the late 50s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDog Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 2:30am on Monday morning. Shouldn't he be in bed and preparing for this week's game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside5 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The Cleveland fan rep for chasing off QB's way before they have a chance to do anything seems well earned. This QB hasn't even played more than a few downs and you are ready to can him? Really? Good thing Pettine has more sense than many "fans". I think Pettine has "sense" enough to know that the QB that hasn't even played more than a few downs is more of a distraction than he's worth. Just so we understand each other I am a "fan" of the Cleveland Browns and have been for 50 years . I didn't follow some "Johnny" come lately, over hyped, juvenile delinquent half way across the country and miraculously call myself a Browns fan. I've lived through the losing, season after season, and watched us piss away one draft pick after another. Is it too much to ask of some kid you're giving millions of dollars to, to carry the clipboard with a little respect and professionalism? If you think Pettines and Farmers patience isn't wearing very thin with this guy, you need to take off your Aggie colored glasses. GO BROWNS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The Cleveland fan rep for chasing off QB's way before they have a chance to do anything seems well earned. I gotta agree with Gip on this one. We haven't "run off" ANY quarterbacks. We did cut a bunch. But they all pretty much earned it. The fact that none of them ended up as a starter pretty much backs that up. The truth is we're accused, more often, of rushing them in and getting them hurt or broken. The complaint was they weren't ready or the team just wasn't good enough for them yet. So, presumably, we ruin QB's by rushing them. But, THIS TIME, we decide to hold him back and NOT rush him in. And now we hear that thats the wrong way too. The Cleveland fans dont want to run JFF off. They just want him to start acting and playing like a top flight PROFESSIONAL, instead of acting like a college kid without a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 But, THIS TIME, we decide to hold him back and NOT rush him in. And now we hear that thats the wrong way too. Actually this is exactly the right way. But many here want to rush him in or send him packing. Either way that is way too premature a judgement to make. You all have to admit the Browns have a very negative history where QB's go to die. Oakland has the same history. Pettine for once is doing it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Actually this is exactly the right way. I agree 100% But many here want to rush him in or send him packing. I agree again., But, there are ALWAYS gonna be 10% one way and 10% the other way and 80% in the middle Either way that is way too premature a judgement to make. And I agree again(thats 3)....but, I think the agrument is that, as YOU have said, we have a history of bad QB picks. They have failed, one by one and broken our spirits many many times. We have now invested ANOTHER first pick in a guy and ...#1) he didn't give a great effort in camp....#2) he didn't beat out a fairly average QB.....#3) he KEEPS getting in the news for negative reasons. .....#4)he hasn't flashed anything good, but has flashed numerous hints of trouble......so, knowing our history of flops, isn't it reasonable for "us"(not you) to feel like "HERE WE GO AGAIN"....? Can you get that we are tired of QB's busting? That we'd like ONE to JUST show up, own it, play great and be the face of our franchise? Do you see how we are very leery of this guy and his act, since he HASN'T shown us anything else???? You all have to admit the Browns have a very negative history where QB's go to die. Yes we do. So, like I said above, wish he would show us SOMETHING to prove he is the one. Right now, we've only gotten a clipboard holder, negative press and a bunch of commercials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Actually this is exactly the right way. But many here want to rush him in or send him packing. Either way that is way too premature a judgement to make. You all have to admit the Browns have a very negative history where QB's go to die. Oakland has the same history. Pettine for once is doing it right. Those QBs don't come here to die. They weren't very good and they came here and proved it. The only guy that kinda came here then went elsewhere and did OK was the veteran Jeff Garcia. Here they did try to put a round peg into a square hole. Garcia was a WCO system QB who could not run anything else, and when they tried a different offense here with him it didn't work. He went to a couple of other spots and did OK (Eagles, Bucs). EVERYONE else that was brought here lacked the talent...intangibles...whatever to be a quality NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Because they all went on to greatness? How do you think we should have kept around ... Frye? Quinn? McCoy? Weeden? Zombo Probably everyone would have some amount of improvement given more continuity. The system the coaching staff the ownership everything being fluid gives no one a chance to be all that they can be. Build a good team and a mediocre quarterback can be successful as I always say. Look at the Browns. Bernie was never successful after leaving the Browns. Is he a turd? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Probably everyone would have some amount of improvement given more continuity. The system the coaching staff the ownership everything being fluid gives no one a chance to be all that they can be. Build a good team and a mediocre quarterback can be successful as I always say. Look at the Browns. Bernie was never successful after leaving the Browns. Is he a turd? WSS He was shot before he left. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 He was shot before he left. Zombo As "shot" as he may have been, he was better than Todd Philcox. He would probably be better, right here, right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 As "shot" as he may have been, he was better than Todd Philcox. He would probably be better, right here, right now. Ya, cutting him while Testeverde was injured and we were in first place and handing over the reigns to Philcox was stupid. Bernie wasnt the same physically but he could still gut out some wins. Philcox blew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikethomas777 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Just to make things clear with everyone, this happened to Manziel at 2:30 am Saturday, which means he was out on Friday night. People seem really confused about days and times for some reason. It does not mean he was out at 2:30 am the day of the game, that would be 2:30 am on Sunday. He was able to get his 8 hours of sleep the next night before the game so everyone can quit worrying if Johnny is sleeping enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 As I noted in one of the other threads, my concern about JFF being good or busting out has little to do with his style of play or his partying or even his perceived talent......as all QBs drafted in the first round are perceived to have great talent. Especially from their college days. But the fact is, drafting a QB is a crapshoot. (now...this may also be the case with drafting any other position, but we all know that QB is special and important). So, here are the first round QB draftees from the first round since 1970. this includes both regular and supplemental drafts. Figure out the busts from the elites....or the average QBs.: 1970 Terry Bradshaw..HOF Mike Phipps.....bust. 1971 Jim Plunkett Dan Pastorini Archie Manning all good picks imo 1972 Jerry Tagge...bust John Reaves...bust 1973 Bert Jones....solid 1974...Clint Longley...supplemental..bust 1975 Steve Bartkowski.....average imo 1976 Richard Todd....average 1977 Steve Pisarkewisc....bust Tommy Kramer....average imo 1978 Doug Williams.....good QB, Super Bowl winner 1979 Jack Thompson....bust Phil Simms....good pick Steve Fuller...bust 1980 Mark Wilson Mark Malone both below average imo though not complete busts 1981 Rich Campbell....bust 1982 Art Schlichter...bust Jim McMahon...good pick 1983 John Elway...HOF Blackledge...bust Kelly....HOF Eason...below average O'Brien...actually a good pick Marino...HOF 1984 Ken Hobart...supp....bust Warren Peace (actually Wayne)....supp....bust Steve Young....HOF 1985 Bernie Kosar....solid pick 1986 Chuck Long...bust Jim Everett...solid pick 1987 Vinny Testaverde...solid pick Jim Harbaugh....solid pick Kelly Stouffer....bust Chris Miller....average 1988 no first round picks 1989 Troy Aikman...HOF Steve Walsh....bust Tim Rosenbach...bust 1990 Jeff George....his statistics say OK, the eyeball test says bust Andre War....bust 1991 Dan McGwire...bust Todd Marinovich...bust 1992 David Klingler....bust Tommy Maddox...bust Dave Brown....bust 1993 Drew Bledsoe..solid pick Rick Mirer....bust 1994 Heath Shuler....bust Trent Dilfer....average 1996 none taken 1997 Jim Druckenmiller....bust 1998 Peyton Manning....HOF caliber Ryan Leaf....bust 1999 Tim Couch....not a bust...but below avg. total career Donovan McNabb....solid pick Akili Smith....bust Daunte Culpepper...solid pick Cade McNown....bust 2000 Chad Pennington...solid pick 2001 Michael Vick....solid career 2002 David Carr....possible bust...but maybe not Joey Harrington...bust Patrick Ramsay....bust 2003 Carson Palmer...solid pick Byron Leftwich....average Kyle Boller....bust Rex Grossman....average maybe 2004 Eli Manning...solid pick Phillip Rivers...solid pick Ben Roethlisberger....possible HOF JP Losman....bust 2005 Alex Smith...solid Aaron Rodgers....HOF caliber Jason Campbell....average at best 2006 Vince Young....bust Matt Leinert....bust Jay Cutler....average 2007 Jamarcus Russell....bust Brady Quinn....bust 2008 Matt Ryan....solid pick Joe Flacco...solid pick 2009 Matt Stafford....solid pick Mark Sanchez... average Josh Freeman.....bordering on bust 2010 Sam Bradford.....below avg, bordering on bust Tim Tebow....bust 2011 Cam Newton....solid pick Jake Locker....below average Blaine Gabbert....bust Christian Ponder....bust 2012 Andrew Luck....HOF caliber RGIII....jury out Ryan Tannehill...jury out Brandon Weeden....bust 2013 EJ Manuel....bust potential 2014 Blake Bortles....jury out Johnny Manziel...jury out Teddy Twatwater.....jury out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Now, with all that red on that list representing busts......can you all say with confidence that JFF won't in the future become a red letter boy? I gave the benefit of the doubt to a number of these guys. I really meant it when I said his future was 50/50....not based on his traits, but on all those that came before him. Check out the entire decade of the 90s....basically only 3-4 good QBs taken in a decade in the first round: Bledsoe, Peyton, McNabb, Culpepper. (yes, I know that a guy like Favre was taken in a later round....I am only going with first rounders here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikethomas777 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 List the undrafted rookie qbs and you could make a great argument against Hoyer. Chill the fuck out until Johnny actually plays. He may be a bust or he may not be a bust. We're 7-4, and have a rookie qb in a great situation compared to Bridgewater, Bortles, Carr ect., who are on garbage teams. Shitty teams contribute a lot more towards a qb being a bust than is giving credit for. How do you think Tom Brady (although not a first rounder) would have turned out if he would've been the Brown's starter back in the early 2000s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 List the undrafted rookie qbs and you could make a great argument against Hoyer. Chill the fuck out until Johnny actually plays. He may be a bust or he may not be a bust. That is the exact fucking point of my post. Did you not read? It is those clamoring for JFF who think he should play now and who think he is their savior that need to chill out until he actually plays. All I am saying is that history shows that a vast perecentage of QBs taken in the first round are busts......and that to be absolutey convinced that JFF will be on the positive side of that ledger is just ignoring history. We're 7-4, and have a rookie qb in a great situation compared to Bridgewater, Bortles, Carr ect., who are on garbage teams. Shitty teams contribute a lot more towards a qb being a bust than is giving credit for Possibly true. On the other hand sometimes a good QB can break his team out of their shittiness. Brady may be one of those guys, since you mentioned him. . How do you think Tom Brady (although not a first rounder) would have turned out if he would've been the Brown's starter back in the early 2000s? I don't know....how about hopping on Mr. Sherman's way back machine and have the Browns take him instead of Spergon Wynn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I wonder if the rate of busts changes for guys who didn't play the majority of their rookie year. I can't imagine that's easy info to conjure up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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