calfoxwc Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 well, God Bless Josh now, he seems to really have his mind and heart in a great place to be a success in his life. This is going to be an exciting season for a lot of reasons, but that is the first time I heard Josh Gordon talk eloquently and with some serious wisdom. He's going to be alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 hopefully he can stay off the dope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 On 6/14/2018 at 3:15 PM, calfoxwc said: well, God Bless Josh now, he seems to really have his mind and heart in a great place to be a success in his life. This is going to be an exciting season for a lot of reasons, but that is the first time I heard Josh Gordon talk eloquently and with some serious wisdom. He's going to be alright. You know what? Even if the unthinkable happens, and Josh relapses, I still think he'll be alright. He's in true addiction recovery, and as we all know, recovery usually isn't perfect and people make mistakes. The thing is, Josh is equipping himself for handling any possible failure, and would likely get right back on the sobriety train. I'm by no means saying Josh is going to use again this year, I'm simply stating that IF that were to happen, it wouldn't cost him his life because he's genuinely working on his treatment for the first time in his life. How many of us experienced addiction (in its many forms) either personally or through a friend or family member? I'd say all of us, right? How many times did that person have to fail before they "got it"? How many of them sadly never did? And the thing is, how many of those people relapsed AFTER they "got it?" Quite a few, right? But when addicts are actively working on their recovery, they will spend less time using and they're more likely to get back to sobriety. I believe Josh is at this point, and it's to be celebrated. I don't expect Josh to slip up and get suspended. I really don't. However, it would also be naive to expect everything to go perfectly. It would be absolutely devastating for Josh professionally and personally if he were to be suspended for another year, and this time...right now...is literally the most important 6 weeks of his entire life. He said he's staying in Cleveland to train and be with family. He needs to be off the radar completely, train hard, and stick to his treatment. I don't believe people outside of Browns fans truly understand what Josh is capable of doing on the field. If he played with someone like Tom Brady for 16 games, it's likely he'd be around 2000 yards receiving. His ability to stretch the field and take any pass the distance make him a terror, and he's all but impossible to press cover due to his size. Perhaps his most lethal attributes are his hands, and they aren't talked about as much as his other alarming physical traits. Josh Gordon has about the softest freaking hands I've ever seen. They're giant and he's not afraid to pluck the ball out of the air while running full speed. He rarely "body catches" the rock, and he can make a variety of different catches. If he has a drop, it's generally a focus issue, but drops aren't really a concern. Most importantly, Josh shows terrific ability in both tracking the long ball, and securing the catch. Watch that amazing bomb against Pittsburgh last year as the perfect example of what I'm saying. I've always felt a special connection with Josh. I work with homeless military vets, many of which suffer from addiction. I see everyday the devastation it causes to everyone in the addict's world. I've seen my share of heartbreak, but I've also seen successes, people working through tragedy, and regaining their lives. I want so very much to see Josh enjoy success, to be there for his family, and realize his potential. Very few things in life are as tragic as squandered potential. Conversely, nothing is more inspiring than a man overcoming his demons and prevailing over such a merciless foe. I only wish I could personally tell him just how much we're rooting for him, on and off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Speaking of WRs aside from Josh, have you guys been listening to the Browns Daily show? The WR garnering the most attention isn't Josh, it's Jarvis Landry. Everyday. Every practice. The one name brought up time and again is Landry's. Apparently he catches everything, and by now I'm sure you all have seen his one-handed TD catch against Denzel Ward. Ward had essentially perfect coverage, but Tyrod put the rock in the one place it could be caught, and Jarvis made the catch to cheers and applause. Not only that, but apparently Tyrod and Jarvis already have a special connection, and they look like they've been together for years. As freaky as Josh is, Landry is very likely to lead us in both receptions and yards. He's a 1st down machine, and somebody who will move the chains every Sunday. The guy you aren't hearing much from is Corey Coleman, and that's both a good and bad thing. It's bad in that you'd LIKE to hear more about the plays he's making, but it's also good because there's nothing negative either. Corey is showing up and doing what he's supposed to, and he's also the recipient of some major luck. What luck? Well, Antonio Callaway is a guy who immediately earned rave reviews the second he got onto the field. He looked fast, smooth, and extremely dangerous. He had the look of someone who could take Corey's job. The LUCK I mention is Callaway got a minor groin pull which has kept him sidelined the past few weeks. This provided Corey with nobody nipping at his heels, guaranteed 1st team reps in 3 WR sets, and valuable time with Tyrod. Additionally, Corey has avoided the soft muscle injuries that plagued him forever. Believe it or not, Corey Coleman is the secret to our offense. SO MUCH attention will have to paid to both Jarvis and Josh, which means Corey will be the guy getting covered by defense's 3rd corner. That's a match-up a 1st round pick HAS to win, and if he does, our offense will be all but impossible to match up with. Finally, watch out for Rashard Higgins as the dark horse. Apparently he's looked good and is a sneaky route runner. He'll make the team and be a stand out in the preseason, trust me. Also, our rookie Ratley is making some plays, especially when out there with Baker. Time to get excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 13 hours ago, jiggins7919 said: Corey Coleman is the secret to our offense Coleman dropped the ball that cost us the game against the Steelers last year. He drops balls...and he drops them in the clutch. He can't be counted on. I've moved on from him. Go Callaway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 8 hours ago, Orion said: Coleman dropped the ball that cost us the game against the Steelers last year. He drops balls...and he drops them in the clutch. He can't be counted on. I've moved on from him. Go Callaway! Corey had two awful drops. Career defining drops, and there's no arguing with that. Other than that, he really didn't have many drops. In fact, he was generally the only WR who could make a difficult catch. SO MANY balls thrown by Kizer were off target, and I can think of multiple diving catches he made where he really shouldn't have HAD to dive. Several of those coming on 3rd down. Has Corey lived up to being the 1st WR drafted? Heck no. Not even CLOSE. However, I've heard that WR is one of the most difficult positions in the NFL for young players to learn. Making matters worse, Corey had RG III, Cody Kessler, Kevin Hogan, and Deshone Kizer throwing him the pill. Not exactly the "who's who" of NFL signal callers. Making matters SOMEHOW even worse, Corey played with virtually no other receiving threats, save a few games with Josh. That's not a combination for success. Am I making excuses for him? Possibly. But I'm also rather bullish on NOT giving up on 1st round picks. Wide receivers depend on other positions perhaps more than anyone else. Let's see what Corey looks like with a real team around him and two hands that AREN'T broken. He'll have every opportunity, so if he fails now, we'll know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 hour ago, jiggins7919 said: Corey had two awful drops. Career defining drops, and there's no arguing with that. Other than that, he really didn't have many drops. In fact, he was generally the only WR who could make a difficult catch. SO MANY balls thrown by Kizer were off target, and I can think of multiple diving catches he made where he really shouldn't have HAD to dive. Several of those coming on 3rd down. Has Corey lived up to being the 1st WR drafted? Heck no. Not even CLOSE. However, I've heard that WR is one of the most difficult positions in the NFL for young players to learn. Making matters worse, Corey had RG III, Cody Kessler, Kevin Hogan, and Deshone Kizer throwing him the pill. Not exactly the "who's who" of NFL signal callers. Making matters SOMEHOW even worse, Corey played with virtually no other receiving threats, save a few games with Josh. That's not a combination for success. Am I making excuses for him? Possibly. But I'm also rather bullish on NOT giving up on 1st round picks. Wide receivers depend on other positions perhaps more than anyone else. Let's see what Corey looks like with a real team around him and two hands that AREN'T broken. He'll have every opportunity, so if he fails now, we'll know for sure. Well said Jigs. Like Baker Mayfield is learning, routes are a lot more contested at the NFL level than the Big 12 so the learning curve you spoke of takes time. My 2 biggest concerns with Coleman are - can the bad habit of body catching be corrected or is it now instinctive to the extent of beyond repair? Greg Little was a body catcher; which made him look like Danny Ferry trying to catch a ball in traffic as opposed to Antonio Brown or others with better habits perfected. And, can a pass dropper be cured any easier than a QB that isn't accurate? The inventory doesn't look good but we haven't exactly had Tom Brady chucking strikes and throwing people open here. As you said, the drop against Pittsburgh came at the worst time so it's all people are going to remember him by. Having said that, I posted a 2017 chart below of all those that led the league in dropped passes. If the chart loses form, to your point - it shows Coleman only had 3 other drops beside the 1 our fans will never forget. Unfortunately, he has the 2nd lowest drop per target% which can be skewed to his volume and the type of passing we couldn't wait to replace. If Gordon and Landry ease his matchups to the opponents' 3rd best corner every week; while a more experienced/accurate QB leads him to more YAC than YUCK - maybe he'll remind us of some of the things that once earned him a Biletnikoff Award. RECEIVING GP Rec Yds Avg Yds/G YAC TD Lng Big 100+ Tgt Drop Pct Fum FumL 1st Pct 1 Lee, Marqise JAX 14 56 702 12.5 50.1 283 3 45 3 0 96 8 58.3% 1 0 40 71.4% 2 Thomas, Demaryius DEN 16 83 949 11.4 59.3 295 5 40 5 1 140 7 59.3% 1 1 53 63.9% 2 Graham, Jimmy SEA 16 57 520 9.1 32.5 204 10 33 4 0 96 7 59.4% 0 0 32 56.1% 2 Jones, Julio ATL 16 88 1444 16.4 90.3 504 3 53 15 4 148 7 59.5% 0 0 67 76.1% 5 Bryant, Dez DAL 16 69 838 12.1 52.4 281 6 50 6 0 132 6 52.3% 1 1 44 63.8% 5 Sanu, Mohamed ATL 15 67 703 10.5 46.9 245 5 25 1 0 96 6 69.8% 0 0 41 61.2% 5 Richardson, Paul SEA 16 44 703 16.0 43.9 127 6 61 8 1 80 6 55.0% 0 0 33 75.0% 5 Hyde, Carlos SF 16 59 350 5.9 21.9 351 0 18 0 0 88 6 67.0% 0 0 17 28.8% 9 Cook, Jared OAK 16 54 688 12.7 43.0 230 2 35 6 2 86 5 62.8% 1 1 35 64.8% 9 Crabtree, Michael OAK 14 58 618 10.7 44.1 179 8 41 5 0 101 5 57.4% 1 0 35 60.3% 9 Clay, Charles BUF 13 49 558 11.4 42.9 263 2 44 5 1 74 5 66.2% 1 0 29 59.2% 9 Kelce, Travis KC 15 83 1038 12.5 69.2 439 8 44 9 4 122 5 68.0% 0 0 55 66.3% 9 Thielen, Adam MIN 16 91 1276 14.0 79.8 439 4 65 11 4 142 5 64.1% 3 2 59 64.8% 9 Adams, Davante GB 14 74 885 12.0 63.2 349 10 55 7 1 117 5 63.2% 0 0 45 60.8% 9 Cooper, Amari OAK 14 48 680 14.2 48.6 305 7 87 6 2 96 5 50.0% 1 0 28 58.3% 9 Gordon, Melvin LAC 16 58 476 8.2 29.8 503 4 49 2 0 83 5 69.9% 0 0 22 37.9% 9 Louis, Ricardo CLE 16 27 357 13.2 22.3 90 0 37 4 0 61 5 44.3% 0 0 18 66.7% 9 Howard, Jordan CHI 16 23 125 5.4 7.8 158 0 12 0 0 32 5 71.9% 0 0 4 17.4% 9 Engram, Evan NYG 15 64 722 11.3 48.1 288 6 35 7 0 115 5 55.7% 0 0 37 57.8% 9 Kupp, Cooper LAR 15 62 869 14.0 57.9 367 5 64 6 2 94 5 66.0% 1 1 42 67.7% 9 Kittle, George SF 15 43 515 12.0 34.3 281 2 44 4 1 63 5 68.3% 0 0 22 51.2% 9 Breida, Matt SF 16 21 180 8.6 11.3 167 1 32 1 0 36 5 58.3% 0 0 9 42.9% 23 Lewis, Marcedes JAX 16 24 318 13.3 19.9 156 5 37 2 0 48 4 50.0% 0 0 18 75.0% 23 Peterson, Adrian ARZ 10 11 70 6.4 7.0 58 0 13 0 0 19 4 57.9% 0 0 3 27.3% 23 Stewart, Jonathan CAR 15 8 52 6.5 3.5 69 1 21 0 0 15 4 53.3% 0 0 2 25.0% 23 Amendola, Danny NE 15 61 659 10.8 43.9 206 2 27 4 1 86 4 70.9% 1 0 40 65.6% 23 McCoy, LeSean BUF 16 59 448 7.6 28.0 424 2 39 1 0 77 4 76.6% 0 0 23 39.0% 23 Green, A.J. CIN 16 75 1078 14.4 67.4 282 8 77 6 3 142 4 52.8% 2 2 55 73.3% 23 Smith, Torrey PHI 16 36 430 11.9 26.9 133 2 59 3 1 68 4 52.9% 0 0 11 30.6% 23 Kearse, Jermaine NYJ 16 65 810 12.5 50.6 303 5 51 6 2 102 4 63.7% 1 0 37 56.9% 23 Martin, Doug TB 11 9 84 9.3 7.6 64 0 17 0 0 18 4 50.0% 0 0 6 66.7% 23 Goodwin, Marquise SF 16 56 962 17.2 60.1 209 2 83 7 3 105 4 53.3% 0 0 46 82.1% 23 Bernard, Giovani CIN 16 43 389 9.1 24.3 436 2 61 3 0 60 4 71.7% 0 0 16 37.2% 23 Doyle, Jack IND 15 80 690 8.6 46.0 355 4 26 1 1 108 4 74.1% 2 2 34 42.5% 23 Ellington, Andre HOU 12 39 369 9.5 30.8 273 0 29 1 0 59 4 66.1% 0 0 16 41.0% 23 Bell, Le'Veon PIT 15 85 655 7.7 43.7 688 2 42 3 1 106 4 80.2% 1 0 31 36.5% 23 Hopkins, DeAndre HOU 15 96 1378 14.4 91.9 297 13 72 17 5 174 4 55.2% 1 1 69 71.9% 23 Beckham Jr., Odell NYG 4 25 302 12.1 75.5 60 3 48 2 0 41 4 61.0% 0 0 15 60.0% 23 Cooks, Brandin NE 16 65 1082 16.7 67.6 243 7 64 15 2 114 4 57.0% 0 0 42 64.6% 23 Freeman, Devonta ATL 14 36 317 8.8 22.6 256 1 29 2 0 47 4 76.6% 0 0 18 50.0% 23 Bryant, Martavis PIT 15 50 603 12.1 40.2 182 3 51 4 0 84 4 59.5% 0 0 30 60.0% 23 Wilson, Albert KC 13 42 554 13.2 42.6 323 3 63 3 1 62 4 67.7% 0 0 32 76.2% 23 Perriman, Breshad BAL 11 10 77 7.7 7.0 9 0 14 0 0 35 4 28.6% 0 0 3 30.0% 23 Kroft, Tyler CIN 16 42 404 9.6 25.3 160 7 59 1 0 62 4 67.7% 0 0 23 54.8% 23 Crowder, Jamison WSH 15 66 789 12.0 52.6 363 3 41 9 2 103 4 64.1% 1 0 37 56.1% 23 Coleman, Corey CLE 9 23 305 13.3 33.9 29 2 44 1 0 58 4 39.7% 0 0 17 73.9% 23 Shepard, Sterling NYG 11 59 731 12.4 66.5 316 2 77 5 3 84 4 70.2% 1 0 36 61.0% 48 Davis, Vernon WSH 16 43 648 15.1 40.5 307 3 69 8 0 69 3 62.3% 2 2 23 53.5% 48 Walker, Delanie TEN 16 74 807 10.9 50.4 249 3 42 3 0 111 3 66.7% 2 2 43 58.1% 48 Lynch, Marshawn OAK 15 20 151 7.6 10.1 168 0 25 1 0 31 3 64.5% 0 0 6 30.0% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 We've literally never seen Corey Coleman get the ball in space, and it's something that boggles the mind. I can't think of ONE slant he caught where he zipped down the field, or one pass he caught where he was in full stride and he made some people miss for a big gainer. This is what Corey DID in college, yet somehow he hasn't shown ONE flash of it. It's really crazy when you consider just how many huge plays he had in college. As for Josh Gordon, it's safe to say these next 6 weeks are the biggest 42 days of his entire life. He's away from practice, the facility, and his schedule. "Free time" is an addict's worst nightmare, and while I seriously doubt he'll be indulging in too much "free time", I'm still checking my phone every single day to see that negative Josh Gordon headline. Now, I SERIOUSLY doubt Josh will have an issue, but we've been burned so many times that i won't feel completely better until training camp begins and I see him in PADS. Also, I'm not sure all of our fans truly understand how good Jarvis Landry is, and it's interesting to note that the guy we hear about in OTA's isn't Gordon, but Landry. I loved reading how he's immediately developing chemistry with Tyrod. I see lots of first downs from these two, and that makes me happy. Josh Gordon, Jarvis Landry, Corey Coleman, Antonio Callaway, Duke Johnson, David Njoku, Carlos Hyde, Nick Chubb, and last but not least....Seth Devalve. We now have depth, experience, and speed. Keep an eye on Devalve....I think he's a sneaky weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 The fact that Coleman’s still on the team indicates he’s tentatively in the plans this year. It’s not like the new decision makers have been shy about cutting or trading people. All l know is that Coleman has shown the ability to make some really good catches. Question is can he make them consistantly and when it really matters? Remains to be seen, but l squarely think there’s more to gain by giving him a shot than not. New QBs on this team, and you never know who Tyrod or Baker will find their chemical groove with, so why not throw them on a grid with wideouts who have at least shown some potential and see where the cards fall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 I have no proof of this, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear we tried to trade Corey during the offseason. I don't think anything materialized because of his low production, weird injury history, and the fact we would've gotten squat for him, but I'm pretty sure we had feelers out there. For example, can you imagine Corey Coleman playing with Tom Brady? Now, to be fair, you can probably say that with just about ANY wide receiver in the league, but still, Corey is EXACTLY the type of receiver the Patriots favor, and I'd actually love to see what Corey can do with an accurate passer and someone that can get him the ball in stride. I'm very interested to see what our offense will look like this season, and we all know we're going to hear the "we're going to run the ball!" talk, but we can't run the ball if we're down 17 points in the first half of every game. Now, I predict we'll be a much better TEAM this year, and I don't THINK we'll be down 17 in the first half too many times, but we do start the year with the Steelers and then at the Saints, so getting down early is a very real possibility. I'd love nothing more than to see us be a running football team. I'd have no problem with Tyrod Taylor finishing games with stats like, 17-24 for 170 yards, 2 TDs and no picks. In fact, I think that's what we're going to WANT. Of course, this is assuming we can get around 140 yards rushing a game, and our defense actually forces some FG's instead of giving up 7 every time. I don't see us being "explosive", despite the oddly talented and deep weapons we now have in the cupboard. We'll be a grinding team, and that can work if we run the ball and stop people. (take a look at our RB group. I mean, our top 3 backs are pretty solid, and could even be spectacular if Chubb blows up) Of course, I could be wrong and we may zing it all over the field and score a bunch of points, or we could completely suck and get stomped like we did last year. We could be behind in every game and Tyrod might be finishing with stats like 28-44, 315 yards with 2 TDs and a pick, with another rushing score....but we still lose 30-24 because our defense sucks. We'll know soon, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Games still to be played, we all just want that first win .... but nice to the Cleveland Browns in discussions like this, been a while ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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