BrownsFan17 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Two wins against teams we weren't supposed to beat w/o Winslow in the game. Is it still just a coincidence? I'm beginning to think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Absolutely not. Our running blocking is two-fold better with Heiden/Dinkins. And they're both good receivers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbndawg Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 That is an interesting question. Heiden does a really good job. He blocks well and doesn't cry the whole game. He just catches the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I like K2, but maybe we should trade him for something we really need. Heiden and Dinkins are pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 And we haven't even seen Rucker yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenby73 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I think phil had his doubts about k2's life (football) expectancy after the motorcycle accident and for good reason. K2 is a tough player and a big reception threat, not a blocker. With a full compliment of receivers and decent hands out of the backfield, K2 is not an absolute necessity. He has put up big reception numbers the last few years but his absence has caused the browns to rediscover the benefit of the blocking tight end. A blocking TE can also catch as Heiden has done long before K2 ever stepped foot in Cleveland. A solid player and I have to assume great guy to have on the team. I never see his name on the police blotter. he never whines to the media. Never hear him causing any problems. His reward will probably be playing second fiddle to Rucker next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I dont think Rucker is rated as good in the blocking department as Heiden or Dinkins. HOPEFULLY someone on the Sidelines is watching and reassigns KW to the third slot reciever and double tight end slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ATENEARS Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Two wins against teams we weren't supposed to beat w/o Winslow in the game. Is it still just a coincidence? I'm beginning to think not. I guess that kind of blows the whole, "best player on the team" theory out of the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenby73 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Phil wants a big offense. High flying, lots of scoring, tons of receivers. Rucker touted to be that. If we're lucky he will be assigned to carry Heidens bags for a while and learn blocking is also very important. I'll be surprised to see K2 in a browns uniform next year. Which means I'm practicing my surprise face now. Predictions hardly work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemosley01 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Could it also be that there was little pressure applied to the QB all night. The team plays as well as Anderson, and Anderson plays as well as the pressure he is under. If he is hit and sacked (it doesn't have to be a lot as we've seen), he falls apart and so goes the team. Now, why was there very little pressure? Was it the blocking of the other two TEs or a result of two teams that either have a weak pass rush (Jax) or just couldn't seem to get going (NYG when we played)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsFan17 Posted October 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Could it also be that there was little pressure applied to the QB all night. The team plays as well as Anderson, and Anderson plays as well as the pressure he is under. If he is hit and sacked (it doesn't have to be a lot as we've seen), he falls apart and so goes the team. Now, why was there very little pressure? Was it the blocking of the other two TEs or a result of two teams that either have a weak pass rush (Jax) or just couldn't seem to get going (NYG when we played)? The Giants pass rush looked pretty healthy today. I'm thinking it's our blocking TEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenby73 Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 pressure plays a big part you're right. This line should and normally is giving DA time. Right now he is using that time to make better decisions and with this current receiving corp he has a much better chance versus BE, Sanders and Steptoe. We have 9 more games. Without looking at any numbers on the remaining D's we have yet to face... odds are there are at least 3 teams that will give DA fits, meaning our line will have some issues with protection, and/or their secondary will limit his options of open receivers. 6-3 from here on out only gets us to 9-7 overall. We still miss the playoffs (as I stated in a previous post, predictions don't normally work out for me so here's hoping I'm wrong)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbndawg Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 You could make several agruments for or against Winslow but you can't deny that the offense has had a better flow to it in the last two games he has missed. Maybe it is just a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 I disagree glen.... imagine that I think beating Jacksonville today head to head at their stadium 9-7 gives us a wildcard spot against a team that we will be competing against for that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturim Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 I personally like the idea of winslow on the field when we get down in the redzone, an area we're not too good in right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemosley01 Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 I disagree glen.... imagine that I think beating Jacksonville today head to head at their stadium 9-7 gives us a wildcard spot against a team that we will be competing against for that spot. I don't think JAX will be in the wildcard race. The team I saw today really didn't look that good. I'm expecting the Colts to regroup and claim one of the wildcards. I think the other wildcard is coming out of the AFC East (Bills or Pats). Steeler's loss tonight helps us, but only marginally, we still have to go through both them AND BAL. That's a big hill to climb, and I haven't seen anything to indicate that this team will be consistent enough to go 6-3 or 7-2 down the stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 While I think K2 is easily the best RECEIVING TE we could ever want...I think that our other TE's provide more of a matchup problem. They can stay in and block and really generate a great pass protection and give a push for our running attack...or they can fake protection/block and go out in routes. While K2 can do that...nobody believes he is staying in so he is not accounted for in those cases. They just wait for him to release into his routes. With Heiden/Dinkins...they HAVE to respect their pass protection and therefore they don't get the same pass coverage...which allows them to get the mismatch when they do release into a route. K2, by his lack of blocking skills and desire, has limited himself to a route runner and has in effect taken away a lot of the mismatches he could get if his blocking was better. With that said, Jax doesn't have a pass rush anyway...but Heiden still looks great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 I like Heiden, and if he played the rest of the way it wouldn't bother me. That said, I don't believe that by playing Winslow we somehow play worse or he in some way has a negative impact on our performance.....so yes, coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanze1 Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 No coincidence. We are a better team without K2. There's a lot less whining and a lot better blocking when he's not playing. It'll be interesting to see how RAC handles the K2 situation going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicksilvy Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 I agree. K2 would be fine at slot reciever, and if he's there it doesn't matter as much that he isn't a very good blocker. Besides, Heiden is amazing, doesn't drop the ball, and you never hear about him outside of the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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