Mason Rudolph

[mjp28]

56 minutes ago, Kvoethe said:

Why is this even on the browns board?  Get rid if this crap

Because it's the CLEVELAND BROWNS biggest and oldest AFCN rival and enemy that they play twice a year.

Besides it's a sports board. 

 

 

[hoorta]

4 hours ago, mjp28 said:

Part of Roethlisberger's frustration over the pick is the fact that the Steelers used a fourth-rounder on a QB last year, too, in Joshua Dobbs. When Roethlisberger says the team should have thought more about sitting on their depth chart of Dobbs and backup Landry Jones, he means he doesn't want to worry about an actual potential heir apparent such as Rudolph...

So Ben you have a better idea how to use a third round pick? Or you thinking of playing until you're 40 like Brady? 

4 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Well....that certainly remains to be seen.  Let's put it this way.....I thought he was on a par with the other 5 guys taken ahead of him.  But others here did not believe that.....and it seems on the surface anyway that their views held sway with ALL the front offices of the teams of the NFL.  He went late third round.  If any single one of those teams thought he was something special.....he would not have lasted nearly as long.  But sure, third rounders can become "special"   Joe Montana, Russell Wilson, etc.    But, as I said, BR is griping and moaning about the choice,    a choice that his own sorry a$$ kind of forced the Steelers to take with all of his retirement talk. The thing is, BR is the second biggest liar in the country, and is always the drama queen.  So he forces the Steelers to look toward their future with his retirement talk, but when they do, he complains that they could have gotten someone in round 3 to help them now. Well...when he buys the team, or runs the team, or when he quits lying to the team and playing the drama queen, then perhaps he can make the decisions for the team.....or at least be honest with them  

Now he says he wants to play another 3-5 years?  What happened to all the "I'm not sure I can take it anymore?"   Taking a guy in the third round fires up his competitive juices?  

I am kinda glad he continues to want to play.  That means that it will be sweet when he gets crushed like a pumpkin on a porch at Halloween.

As one of the talking heads nailed it- passive aggressive behavior. 

[The Gipper]

49 minutes ago, hoorta said:

So Ben you have a better idea how to use a third round pick? Or you thinking of playing until you're 40 like Brady? 

As one of the talking heads nailed it- passive aggressive behavior. 

I am not sure it is passive-aggressive.  Maybe.   I just know that the guys nickname should be like  Histrionics R US.

[Dutch Oven]

7 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Maybe he should go for a helmetless motorcycle ride to clear his head...

I'm not saying the Steelers are lucky, but I'm still amazed by the incredible luck of getting 14 years and counting out of a dullard who could have been either dead or paralyzed from that motorcycle accident, or in prison with Bill Cosby. 

[StinkHole]

7 hours ago, Kvoethe said:

Why is this even on the browns board?  Get rid if this crap

Don't be intimidated. Both Steeler and Bengals boards generate enemy related topics.

The bungles have an AFCN sub forum called "AFC North Chatter".

Perhaps an idea for this board for those like you that want to maintain their safe space.

[Dutch Oven]

9 minutes ago, StinkHole said:

Don't be intimidated. Both Steeler and Bengals boards generate enemy related topics.

The bungles have an AFCN sub forum called "AFC North Chatter".

Perhaps an idea for this board for those like you that want to maintain their safe space.

I actually enjoy talking about the other AFC North teams, and with their fans as long as it is a honest-to-dog convo, not a troll session. 

 

[mjp28]

1 minute ago, Dutch Oven said:

I actually enjoy talking about the other AFC North teams, and with their fans as long as it is a honest-to-dog convo, not a troll session. 

 

steelrz fans all suk 

How's that Dutch? We're back in that sports dead zone again unless you like hoops & hockey well except for the INDIANS which I watch all/part of every game.....no game tonight. 

[Dutch Oven]

1 minute ago, StinkHole said:

Because a Steeler as the winningest QB in First Energy stadium really blows.

The rapist is good at football. 

[mjp28]

1 minute ago, Dutch Oven said:

The rapist is good at football. 

Longevity. 

[StinkHole]

 

A really interesting article comparing Rudolph, Mayflower, Arnold, etc. as it pertains to 3rd down efficiency....from 3rd and short to 3rd and long.

Holy Toledo! Rudolph is a TD machine on 3rd down!...28!!!

Then your bubble bursts when you scroll down and see freakin Landry Jones blowing everyone away at 41.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/05/steelers-stats-study-3rd-down-and-mason-rudolph/

 

 

.                                 CAREER COLLEGE 3RD DOWN PASSING STATS

Mason Rudolph
DISTANCE	ATT	COMP	COMP%	YDS	YPA	YPC	TD	INT	RATE	1ST	1ST%A	1ST%C	15+	25+
3rd  Total	338	191	56.5%	2920	8.6	15.3	28	7	152.3	145	42.9%	75.9%	72	31
1-3  To Go	46	34	73.9%	433	9.4	12.7	6	0	196.0	28	60.9%	82.4%	9	5
4-6  To Go	81	44	54.3%	699	8.6	15.9	8	1	156.9	38	46.9%	86.4%	15	8
7-9  To Go	85	49	57.6%	673	7.9	13.7	6	1	145.1	37	43.5%	75.5%	18	5
10+ To Go	126	64	50.8%	1115	8.8	17.4	8	5	138.1	42	33.3%	65.6%	30	13
Baker Mayfield
DISTANCE	ATT	COMP	COMP%	YDS	YPA	YPC	TD	INT	RATE	1ST	1ST%A	1ST%C	15+	25+
3rd Total	320	202	63.1%	2617	8.2	13.0	18	8	145.4	155	48.4%	76.7%	60	21
1-3 To Go	56	39	69.6%	363	6.5	9.3	3	0	141.8	36	64.3%	92.3%	6	1
4-6 To Go	98	66	67.3%	777	7.9	11.8	8	0	160.9	56	57.1%	84.8%	16	5
7-9 To Go	74	45	60.8%	767	10.4	17.0	6	3	166.5	36	48.6%	80.0%	19	9
10+ To Go	92	52	56.5%	710	7.7	13.7	1	5	114.1	27	29.3%	51.9%	19	6
Sam Darnold
DISTANCE	ATT	COMP	COMP%	YDS	YPA	YPC	TD	INT	RATE	1ST	1ST%A	1ST%C	15+	25+
3rd Total	206	123	59.7%	1539	7.5	12.5	12	5	136.8	90	43.7%	73.2%	39	12
1-3 To Go	28	17	60.7%	136	4.9	8.0	3	1	129.7	15	53.6%	88.2%	1	0
4-6 To Go	65	42	64.6%	553	8.5	13.2	3	0	151.3	33	50.8%	78.6%	12	6
7-9 To Go	49	26	53.1%	359	7.3	13.8	2	2	119.9	23	46.9%	88.5%	8	3
10+ To Go	64	38	59.4%	491	7.7	12.9	4	2	138.2	19	29.7%	50.0%	18	3
Josh Rosen
DISTANCE	ATT	COMP	COMP%	YDS	YPA	YPC	TD	INT	RATE	1ST	1ST%A	1ST%C	15+	25+
3rd Total	291	157	54.0%	2297	7.9	14.6	12	8	128.4	114	39.2%	72.6%	63	23
1-3 To Go	44	26	59.1%	413	9.4	15.9	2	1	148.4	24	54.5%	92.3%	8	5
4-6 To Go	90	44	48.9%	553	6.1	12.6	6	3	115.8	38	42.2%	86.4%	15	4
7-9 To Go	58	34	58.6%	429	7.4	12.6	2	0	132.1	20	34.5%	58.8%	12	4
10+ To Go	99	53	53.5%	902	9.1	17.0	2	4	128.7	32	32.3%	60.4%	28	10
Josh Allen
DISTANCE	ATT	COMP	COMP%	YDS	YPA	YPC	TD	INT	RATE	1ST	1ST%A	1ST%C	15+	25+
3rd Total	180	98	54.4%	1235	6.9	12.6	10	4	126.0	72	40.0%	73.5%	28	10
1-3 To Go	14	10	71.4%	115	8.2	11.5	0	0	140.4	8	57.1%	80.0%	3	1
4-6 To Go	61	34	55.7%	349	5.7	10.3	5	2	124.3	29	47.5%	85.3%	5	2
7-9 To Go	52	26	50.0%	264	5.1	10.2	2	2	97.6	16	30.8%	61.5%	5	1
10+ To Go	53	28	52.8%	507	9.6	18.1	3	0	151.9	19	35.8%	67.9%	15	6
Lamar Jackson
DISTANCE	ATT	COMP	COMP%	YDS	YPA	YPC	TD	INT	RATE	1ST	1ST%A	1ST%C	15+	25+
3rd Total	251	128	51.0%	1868	7.4	14.6	13	9	123.4	97	38.6%	75.8%	52	12
1-3 To Go	28	14	50.0%	269	9.6	19.2	1	1	135.3	14	50.0%	100.0%	7	3
4-6 To Go	63	38	60.3%	464	7.4	12.2	2	1	129.5	31	49.2%	81.6%	9	2
7-9 To Go	78	38	48.7%	527	6.8	13.9	8	4	129.1	28	35.9%	73.7%	14	4
10+ To Go	82	38	46.3%	608	7.4	16.0	2	3	109.4	24	29.3%	63.2%	22	3
Joshua Dobbs
DISTANCE	ATT	COMP	COMP%	YDS	YPA	YPC	TD	INT	RATE	1ST	1ST%A	1ST%C	15+	25+
3rd Total	287	145	50.5%	1780	6.2	12.3	14	12	110.4	102	35.5%	70.3%	44	13
1-3 To Go	33	20	60.6%	177	5.4	8.9	2	2	113.5	18	54.5%	90.0%	4	0
4-6 To Go	86	51	59.3%	492	5.7	9.6	5	2	121.9	37	43.0%	72.5%	10	2
7-9 To Go	83	37	44.6%	598	7.2	16.2	5	4	115.3	28	33.7%	75.7%	15	5
10+ To Go	85	37	43.5%	513	6.0	13.9	2	4	92.6	19	22.4%	51.4%	15	6
Landry Jones
DISTANCE	ATT	COMP	COMP%	YDS	YPA	YPC	TD	INT	RATE	1ST	1ST%A	1ST%C	15+	25+
3rd Total	548	309	56.4%	4191	7.6	13.6	41	13	140.6	218	39.8%	70.6%	110	37
1-3 To Go	85	57	67.1%	603	7.1	10.6	8	2	153.0	49	57.6%	86.0%	14	3
4-6 To Go	135	79	58.5%	906	6.7	11.5	9	6	128.0	59	43.7%	74.7%	22	8
7-9 To Go	145	79	54.5%	1033	7.1	13.1	10	3	132.9	57	39.3%	72.2%	28	9
10+ To Go	183	94	51.4%	1649	9.0	17.5	14	2	150.1	53	29.0%	56.4%	46	17

[The Gipper]

Well....again, that is the Big 12 for you.   Lots and lots of QBs come out of there with gaudy statistics, yet none of them have had much success in the pros.

So, it is a concern for both the Beaver and the brickbuilding  caribou.....as to whether or not either of them can have success in the pros.   Rudolph may just be a younger Landry.  Mayfield may become a short version of Andy Dalton.

Who the hell knows at this point.

[Ghoolie]

I hope he gets arrested for gay rape.

[runyon27]

On 4/29/2018 at 9:17 AM, Vagitron said:

No, they were not. I don't know how I feel about Rudolph. I certainly didn't believe we were going to draft a qb. However the steelers had a first round grade on him. They sure as hell didn't with Dobbs or Jones and no one, I repeat no one talked about Dobbs or Jones like they have talked about Rudolph. 

If they had a 1st round grade on him why did they wait until the 3rd round to draft him? Typically most teams have around 15-20 players that have a 1st round grade. So I dont believe, no matter what they say, that they had a 1st round grade on him. I heard many Steelers fans high on Dobbs last year, that is until they saw him take the field in the pre-season. He was dreadful. Rudolph is the better talent coming out of college of the 3, but I heard many a Steelers fan high on Dobbs and he being the potential heir apparent. I think of a Rudolph as a better Landry.

[boo fagley]

On 4/29/2018 at 11:34 AM, Westside Steve said:

Ryan Mallett had a bad attitude didn't he?

WSS

Yes, sort of, but he cleaned it up after he was drafted.

There was some incident like pot, that made him drop into the 3rd round.

[boo fagley]

The pressure really turned up on Ben and Tomlin now.

Super Bowl win this season or everything short of that is just failure.

Bens partially right. Its win now at all costs and quite frankly, Landry Jones played well when Ben was out last season.

 

[boo fagley]

On 5/7/2018 at 7:38 PM, StinkHole said:

 

A really interesting article comparing Rudolph, Mayflower, Arnold, etc. as it pertains to 3rd down efficiency....from 3rd and short to 3rd and long.

Holy Toledo! Rudolph is a TD machine on 3rd down!...28!!!

Then your bubble bursts when you scroll down and see freakin Landry Jones blowing everyone away at 41.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/05/steelers-stats-study-3rd-down-and-mason-rudolph/

 

 

.                                 CAREER COLLEGE 3RD DOWN PASSING STATS

 

What jumps at me is how accurate Mayfield is. He really is a move the chains QB.

Rosens are on par with Allen. Kinda funny when the Allen haters loved Rosen because he was so much better.

[StinkHole]

18 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

The pressure really turned up on Ben and Tomlin now.

Super Bowl win this season or everything short of that is just failure.

Bens partially right. Its win now at all costs and quite frankly, Landry Jones played well when Ben was out last season.

 

I've never really went along with the consensus among steeler fans that Landry Jones sucks.

He has performed as a good back-up should. 

[StinkHole]

10 hours ago, runyon27 said:

If they had a 1st round grade on him why did they wait until the 3rd round to draft him? Typically most teams have around 15-20 players that have a 1st round grade. So I dont believe, no matter what they say, that they had a 1st round grade on him. I heard many Steelers fans high on Dobbs last year, that is until they saw him take the field in the pre-season. He was dreadful. Rudolph is the better talent coming out of college of the 3, but I heard many a Steelers fan high on Dobbs and he being the potential heir apparent. I think of a Rudolph as a better Landry.

Rudolph wasn't the only player the Steelers had a first round grade on. They waited till the third because they were obviously drafting based on immediate need.

When the 3rd came they  traded up to get him.

I don't know about other teams, but many "experts" had a first round early second round grade on him. This was also a rich QB class.

An impressive list of successful late round QB's

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1154515-10-best-late-round-qb-selections-in-nfl-draft-history/

[tiamat63]

18 minutes ago, StinkHole said:

Rudolph wasn't the only player the Steelers had a first round grade on. They waited till the third because they were obviously drafting based on immediate need.

When the 3rd came they  traded up to get him.

I don't know about other teams, but many "experts" had a first round early second round grade on him. This was also a rich QB class.

An impressive list of successful late round QB's

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1154515-10-best-late-round-qb-selections-in-nfl-draft-history/

Third isn't what I would call a 'late round'.   The article you linked yourself pretty much shows that.

[Zombo]

Rumors are, this kid is gay. Do not have a  problem with that, props to Steelers for giving him this opportunity and not being overly worried about the locker room shake out or public perception.

Zombo

[StinkHole]

9 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

Third isn't what I would call a 'late round'.   The article you linked yourself pretty much shows that.

That's vey true.

Using that link I was just emphasizing that all good QB's are not 1st rounders..

I suppose I coulda Googled "successful 2nd/3rd round qb's".

[The Gipper]

54 minutes ago, StinkHole said:

That's vey true.

Using that link I was just emphasizing that all good QB's are not 1st rounders..

I suppose I coulda Googled "successful 2nd/3rd round qb's".

I did that sort of thing on a  number of threads.  And, yes, there have been a number of successful 2d/3rd round QBs.   But, statistically....a QB does have a much better chance of being successful if he is taken in round one.

This really goes for all positions.   See this:   The number of HOFers taken in round one is more than double that of players taken in any other round. (and note on this list...that about half of the second rounders here would have been in the Top 32...so first rounders today):

http://www.profootballhof.com/heroes-of-the-game/hall-of-famers-by-draft-round/

[hoorta]

2 hours ago, StinkHole said:

That's vey true.

Using that link I was just emphasizing that all good QB's are not 1st rounders..

I suppose I coulda Googled "successful 2nd/3rd round qb's".

Gip did that. For every 3rd round Joe Montana, there's 5 Charlie Frye's and Colt McCoy's. For every 6th round Tom Brady there's 20 Spergon Wynn's. The stats say the higher you pick a QB, the better your odds, and even first round isn't a sure thing.

[mjp28]

1 minute ago, hoorta said:

Gip did that. For every 3rd round Joe Montana, there's 5 Charlie Frye's and Colt McCoy's. For every 6th round Tom Brady there's 20 Spergon Wynn's. The stats say the higher you pick a QB, the better your odds, and even first round isn't a sure thing.

I think you'll find that in most positions, the percentage of hits and misses.

[Vagitron]

On 5/2/2018 at 9:47 AM, The Gipper said:

For a guy that said that he might want to retire a while back, the selection of Mason Rudolph by the Steeler team seem to have him gripping......and griping over it:

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/05/01/mason-rudolph-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-retirement/stories/201805010130

 

https://nypost.com/2018/05/02/roethlisberger-doesnt-want-rudolph-to-take-over-anytime-soon/

Late to this party. Ben said he was going to retire because he wanted Haley gone. The minute he got the ax Ben said he wants to play another 3-5 seasons. Health will be the determining factor. I also have zero expectations for Rudolph and because he's not being forced to start we get to wait and see. The Steelers had a first round grade on him and drafted his go to guy in Washington. Brown is singing both their praises. 

 

Either way the steelers don't need him to be a world beater anytime soon. He can sit and learn and develop. 

[Vagitron]

On 5/8/2018 at 9:48 PM, runyon27 said:

If they had a 1st round grade on him why did they wait until the 3rd round to draft him? Typically most teams have around 15-20 players that have a 1st round grade. So I dont believe, no matter what they say, that they had a 1st round grade on him. I heard many Steelers fans high on Dobbs last year, that is until they saw him take the field in the pre-season. He was dreadful. Rudolph is the better talent coming out of college of the 3, but I heard many a Steelers fan high on Dobbs and he being the potential heir apparent. I think of a Rudolph as a better Landry.

What steeler fans were high on Dobbs? I like Dobbs. He's a really smart guy but no one wanted a qb last season just as a good majority didn't want another this year. He lasted until the third because he wasn't a need pick but in the third the steelers obviously thought he was tremendous value. It ain't Shmucking rocket science. He fell to the third because we needed a safety and a receiver. The end.

[Vagitron]

On 5/9/2018 at 8:07 AM, boo fagley said:

The pressure really turned up on Ben and Tomlin now.

Super Bowl win this season or everything short of that is just failure.

Bens partially right. Its win now at all costs and quite frankly, Landry Jones played well when Ben was out last season.

 

Every season they aren't in the super bowl is a damn failure. Who plays to get into the playoffs and lose?  It's also win at all costs because Ben isn't getting any younger and the pieces are in place. 

[The Gipper]

18 hours ago, Vagitron said:

Every season they aren't in the super bowl is a damn failure. Who plays to get into the playoffs and lose?  It's also win at all costs because Ben isn't getting any younger and the pieces are in place. 

Prediction/hypothesis:  BR gets hammered and is injured and out....for most of the year.

Who do you want in there at QB from your roster?

[hoorta]

23 hours ago, Vagitron said:

What steeler fans were high on Dobbs? I like Dobbs. He's a really smart guy but no one wanted a qb last season just as a good majority didn't want another this year. He lasted until the third because he wasn't a need pick but in the third the steelers obviously thought he was tremendous value. It ain't Shmucking rocket science. He fell to the third because we needed a safety and a receiver. The end.

LOL, and the Browns have been doing  "value picks" (Frye, McCoy, Weeden, Quinn, Manziel) almost exclusively since 1999. You had better hope the Steelers do better. 

[Vagitron]

17 hours ago, hoorta said:

LOL, and the Browns have been doing  "value picks" (Frye, McCoy, Weeden, Quinn, Manziel) almost exclusively since 1999. You had better hope the Steelers do better. 

The steelers draft bpa the majority of the time. He was taken in the third round, I'm not too worried about it. 

However every single one of those guys got tossed into starting too early, it's a recipe for failure everytime. Three of those guys were drafted in the first and imo of the three not one was a great value.